nucci Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 47 minutes ago, T-Bomb said: Too many fans are looking to simply get a monkey off their backs, it could severely hamper the future. It's shortsighted. How does making the playoffs hurt the future? That doesn't make sense. Yes, I want to make the playoffs. I remember the excitement leading up to the playoffs. it's a lot of fun and that's what we're here for. To have fun watching our team win. Let the FO worry about the future 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Let’s discuss this. The Process includes drafting players who were 3 or 4 year starters in college, with Captaincy and Conference recognition. Factual, right? The Process includes ridding the team of highly compensated prima donnas who -in coach’s mind, lack a gritty work ethic. Factual, right? The Process includes bringing high-motor jags in to substitute regularly and play ST’s. Factual, right? So, is it just ‘opinion’ that McDermott wouldn’t have wanted Shady McCoy -with his racial tantrums, prima-drama-‘tude and off field disgressions on his team? If you think he would, you’re not understanding ‘the Process’. Is it just ‘opinion’ that McDermott would forsake a trade for Big Ben, given his past promiscuity? The Process says yes to it. The problem with ‘the Process’ is how great players who fit these descriptions dominate games, lead to many victories and they can be found on every contending team. It typically is motivation for their stellar play, Process notwithstanding. In short, 53 choir boys enraptured by a Process don’t achieve greatness. History says so. please share your factual information. Congratulations, you win for the most ridiculous post ever! Are you new to the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) I just want to see the Bills in the playoffs one more time before I die. Edited December 19, 2017 by Patrick_Duffy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 4 hours ago, billsfan11 said: Yep. Seattle built the majority of their core through Mid round picks New England has done okay picking from 30-32 for two decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: New England has done okay picking from 30-32 for two decades. They get all the slow white guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 26 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: New England has done okay picking from 30-32 for two decades. Yes that's very true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Let's do what the Browns have been doing for the past few years. It is clearly working for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 4 hours ago, joesixpack said: AND when was the last time the Bills were playing meaningful football heading into week 16? 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Sadly, this season will be known more for the disaster it is 3-4 years down the road. The increasing number of excellent college players is slipping dramatically with each meaningless win in a Draft year where we’ve garnered so many high pics at such a great cost. ‘The Process’ is pure Fools Gold. We simply aren’t talented enough to be considered contending, and now we likely won’t be for a few more years either. QB, DE, DL, OL, RB & WR need upgrades and more than a few players played their last Home Game yesterday. Our wins this year were all unnecessarily close and gifted with multiple T/O’s and ridiculously long FG’s. Our losses? No T/Os and blown out of stadiums. Even if we somehow receive a holiday miracle to break the 17 year streak for one more hour, we’re in worse shape talent wise than we were before ‘the Process’ started shredding the roster. I’ll go on record as saying we won’t make the playoffs and the result of this tease will negatively impact the team for years to come. I'll go on the record and say you are flat out wrong. I'll go on the record that the Bills are MILES better than the Sabres at this point BECAUSE THEY ARE INSTILLING ACCOUNTABILITY, PRIDE AND A WINNING ATTITUDE. Just like in the military, you can have the fanciest weaponry and the most advanced ships, however if you are riddled with poor motivation, lackadaisical attitudes and a getting a paycheck kind of mentality, you're fodder. For your information, we were only "blown out of stadiums" ONE TIME this season with an experienced starter at QB, and the other one doesn't count. Whatever beef you have with Beane and McDermott, it is really on full display. I mean, do you SERIOUSLY think that our draft was that bad with the picks we had last season? Your whole post massively discounts the undercurrent of WINNING we have established. You sound as if Tom Donahoe is still the GM. Edited December 19, 2017 by EasternOHBillsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Go be a patriots fan, you fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 10 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: 2014 strangely, I was there both times we went 8-6. I need to go to games more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 4 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: I enjoy the banter here. Of course it’s a polarizing topic. The new administration chose to jettison great players, while replacing them with likely one year guys. How many of you think the Ram CB & Eagle WR will be here next year? How many think Glenn, Kyle, Tyrod, Miller, LoAl and even Hughes, Wood, Incognito will be retained? That’s pretty much every Bill with a PB under their belt who hadn’t already been shown the door? I really have no idea what ‘the Process’ means in terms of fielding specific players. I just don’t like the early returns. At all. btw, I’m also trying to show new posters in particular how to write a thread and the importance of staying with it, be it taking shots and barbs or agreeing with others positions. Let the barrage continue. I may not agree with your take regarding the Bills and “The Process”, but I whole-heartedly agree with the intent to model the ability to have educated and contested debate without devolving into juvenile insults and childish antics. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 6 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....19 of the 22 starters for Steelers 2009 SB win were acquired through the draft..... What rounds and what area? How many times have the Steelers drafted in the top 10 of the draft? How come good teams stay good when they have to keep drafting at the end of the round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, BigBuff423 said: I may not agree with your take regarding the Bills and “The Process”, but I whole-heartedly agree with the intent to model the ability to have educated and contested debate without devolving into juvenile insults and childish antics. And predictably that is what this thread has devolved into. None of it takes away that Buffalo is an 8-6 team with 2 road games needing to win at least 1 and get help to make it as a 6 seed. Sure, a lot can change in the final 2 weeks, but watching this team now for 14 games I don't come away overly optimistic. The Bills are averaging 14 points scored and 14 points allowed per game over their last 4 (EDIT: in going 3-1. That's not going to continue unless their offensive production improves mightily). I would still like to see how this team improves from an 8-9 win team into a 11+ win team. That kind of leap isn't automatic, especially when key contributors are aging and you don't have many players opposing coordinators have to game plan for. Edited December 19, 2017 by BillsVet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Anyone remember the '87 Bills? Finished 7-8 in the strike year. Looked pretty good down the stretch of the season and hurt their draft position in doing so when they had a lot of needs. Learned how to win though and in '88 they were great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 We are DOOMED! Chandler, thanks for pointing this out. This hot take definitely deserves a thread of its own. Keep up the good work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 This thread is a crock of sh/t. It makes absolutely no difference where you pick in the draft as long as you pick players and your coaches can coach them up. And you have to make smart pick ups in FA and the trade market. While I am a Negative Nancy towards playing NE............... I do actually like the process going forward, as this organization will add more considerable talent and McDermott might learn a few things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, njbuff said: This thread is a crock of sh/t. It makes absolutely no difference where you pick in the draft as long as you pick players and your coaches can coach them up. And you have to make smart pick ups in FA and the trade market. While I am a Negative Nancy towards playing NE............... I do actually like the process going forward, as this organization will add more considerable talent and McDermott might learn a few things. Exactly. Good teams win with good picks and a stable organization. Teams that pine away for top picks and tank don't win in the NFL. "Tank to win" 100% works in the NBA where the top picks almost always work out and are instant studs. In the NFL, the draft is far harder to predict. Good teams build a system that works and plug in the best players they know how within the salary cap. NE and Pitt never break the bank and never tank. Other consistent teams like the Eagles, Chiefs, Ravens, Seahawks, Chargers follow suit. For sure and 100%: QB matters and the Bills MUST find that QB. But picking 13 vs. picking 22 won't help. The top 2 are the studs. Everyone after that is a crapshoot. Jimmy Garapolo: 2nd round pick from a top organization. Alex Smith was half a bust until he got to KC, where better coaching made him pretty good (not great). Edited December 19, 2017 by BeginnersMind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) Let me state clearly so there is no miunderstanding.You can not make a sound judgement on this process if: 1. You don't know the details which neither McD nor Beane is going to reveal publicly and... 2. You don't know how the 2018 offseason (ESPECIALLY the draft) turns out. Also, why does everyone ovelook the fact that this team is playing better with less talent? Also, we have some more cap space with Dareus gone and will have a LOT more the following year thanks to Marrone. Edited December 19, 2017 by GreggTX Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Not sure what I find more distasteful, the fact that the OP is a moderator of a Bills fan forum and he wants the Bills to lose. Or the fact that the OP is so arrogant that he needs to teach us how to construct a fan thread on a Bills board. Good for you. Remember the old days when moderators main task was to make sure people didn’t use profanity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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