Kingston Bills Fan Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Shaq has been disappointing all year now he was benched for who knows what reason (probably performance) we let Ragland go but maybe it was Shaq we should have let go. Our Dline is needs a lot of help in the draft! Either way DT isn’t our only need on the D-line. https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/11/27/16705854/shaw-lawson-didnt-start-vs-kansas-city-chiefs-for-unknown-punishment-sean-mcdermott 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Curious about what he did. The staff, in the past, has been somewhat specific as to why players were "punished." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 He has done nothing. Yarbarough and Davis have both been better IMO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: He has done nothing. Yarbarough and Davis have both been better IMO Incorrect. He's been good against aginst the run. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Wasn't there just an article on the Bills site about him starting to break through? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Maybe people should wait and see before they jump to conclusions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 From another article, it sounds like a discipline issue with McBeane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Bills Fan Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 Good against the run? They were terrible for three straight games until he was benched! 10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Incorrect. He's been good against aginst the run. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Kingston Bills Fan said: Good against the run? They were terrible for three straight games until he was benched! Most of that damage was right up the gut and not on the edges. His benching had zero to do with his play on the field. Edited November 28, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 It’s between team and player. - McDermott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Just now, Kingston Bills Fan said: Good against the run? They were terrible for three straight games until he was benched! He was benched for disciplinary reasons. McDermott said as much today. He’s been good against the run. Teams have run right up the middle. With that being said, he has certainly been disappointing as a first round pick. He lacks explosiveness as a pass rusher. Shaq is a plugger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke of Pants Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Lawson has no pass rush moves. He bull rushes until the 330 pound tackle's heft, stops Shaq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 If Rex tried to be more terrible at analyzing players, I don't think he could do it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, Pbomb said: Maybe people should wait and see before they jump to conclusions 20 games is jumping to conclusions? This mentality is part of the Buffalo curse of perpetual hopes and dreams. How long? When is it OK to call a guy what he is? A first round pass rusher with 20 games... 5 sacks, 4 TFL, 44 total tackles (solo and partial). Pretty weak. Not saying he's Erik Flowers or Aaron Maybin but he's not exactly living up to the high pick so it's a fair criticism after 20 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 12 minutes ago, Kingston Bills Fan said: Good against the run? They were terrible for three straight games until he was benched! He didnt start, he still played in the game. They all rotate just like they do every game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreigner Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Who knows, this coaching staff couldn't tell the truth if it hit them in the face. You know what he said about (damaged goods) Benjamin today, and then when he got called on it, said he did'nt understand the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, Pbomb said: He didnt start, he still played in the game. They all rotate just like they do every game yep simple stuff. they gave My Man Eddie the start as they did with Thornton over A Washington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 33 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Incorrect. He's been good against aginst the run. Not good enough imo...in a passing league, you need pass rushing capability 26 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Most of that damage was right up the gut and not on the edges. His benching had zero to do with his play on the field. Fair enough, but I would be ok if that were the case...the difference in pass rush with Eddie was very noticeable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Shaq being a "solid run plugging DE" is a huge setback. We almost have to give him at least 2 years before we even think about another DE. We need 2 DTs, all new LBs, some OLmen, a QB, at least 1 more rookie WR, and some young blood in the secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, dayman said: Shaq being a "solid run plugging DE" is a huge setback. We almost have to give him at least 2 years before we even think about another DE. We need 2 DTs, all new LBs, some OLmen, a QB, at least 1 more rookie WR, and some young blood in the secondary. Not so sure about having to wait...Shaq was a Whaley pick and not necessarily the type of DE that McD prefers...if there is a pass rusher in the draft that meets value, I don’t think McD would not pick him just because Shaq was drafted two years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Eddie made more of a pass rushing impact yesterday than Shaq has in weeks. Free Eddie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 He was not benched, he just didn't start. So much fake news here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 56 minutes ago, Kingston Bills Fan said: Shaq has been disappointing all year now he was benched for who knows what reason (probably performance) we let Ragland go but maybe it was Shaq we should have let go. Our Dline is needs a lot of help in the draft! Either way DT isn’t our only need on the D-line. https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/11/27/16705854/shaw-lawson-didnt-start-vs-kansas-city-chiefs-for-unknown-punishment-sean-mcdermott I disagree with you. I think he broke some minor team rule that caused him to come off the bench but he played a lot of minutes. He's been a part of the rotation at defensive end this year and I think he's been pretty darn good. 31 tackles though 10 games this year as a DE, that's pretty good. He seems to be our best run stopper. He hasn't gotten the sacks just yet but he's a big reason the team has had a few games of stuffing the run. He will only improve if the DTs are upgraded next to him in the offseason. He's developing. I expect his sack numbers to jump up next year. Most run stopping DEs take a few years to develop an arsenal of moves to increase their sack numbers. For me, he's on pace. He sets a very nice edge in the run game and showed this against the speedy chiefs. He had 2 solo tackles and 2 assisted tackles, for a defensive lineman that's a good day. He helped move the pocket in the game causing Alex Smith to move out of the pocket and in some cases take off and run. He'll get there with the sacks. We just need some help at DT to provide an interior pass rush which will help out the outside ends. He's doing just fine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 they should keep using yesterday's rotation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 49 minutes ago, zonabb said: 20 games is jumping to conclusions? This mentality is part of the Buffalo curse of perpetual hopes and dreams. How long? When is it OK to call a guy what he is? A first round pass rusher with 20 games... 5 sacks, 4 TFL, 44 total tackles (solo and partial). Pretty weak. Not saying he's Erik Flowers or Aaron Maybin but he's not exactly living up to the high pick so it's a fair criticism after 20 games. To homers, if a young Bills player is performing well, he's an excellent draft pick. But if not, the player needs more time before an evaluation is appropriate. Got it? You don't draft a base 4-3 end who isn't a pass rush threat with a top 20 pick. Playing the run well is a small consolation to be drafted that high. There is still a vocal defend Whaley minority out there who can't bear another one of Whaley's pick isn't measuring up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, BillsVet said: To homers, if a young Bills player is performing well, he's an excellent draft pick. But if not, the player needs more time before an evaluation is appropriate. Got it? You don't draft a base 4-3 end who isn't a pass rush threat with a top 20 pick. Playing the run well is a small consolation to be drafted that high. There is still a vocal defend Whaley minority out there who can't bear another one of Whaley's pick isn't measuring up. Again, this appears to be a very suspect pick by the very polarizing figure known as Doug Whaley. I know some people love Whaley, but the return for drafting Shaq (especially with a shoulder injury that scared away many teams and dropped his value) has to be considered a huge disappointment. There's no other way around it. Like someone else said, you don't spend a first round draft choice on a "run plugging DE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 He is a disappointment as a first round draft pick. He has been overweight since the day he arrived. He lacks any of the exposiveness he showed at Clemson. He is a solid but unspectacular player. Taken in the third round he would be a solid pick. We just want more because of where he was drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I saw the McD quote from the presser re: discipline, but I also saw a lot Shaq on the field yesterday. Must not be too serious. Should blow over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said: From another article, it sounds like a discipline issue with McBeane. with the GM?? 28 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Again, this appears to be a very suspect pick by the very polarizing figure known as Doug Whaley. I know some people love Whaley, but the return for drafting Shaq (especially with a shoulder injury that scared away many teams and dropped his value) has to be considered a huge disappointment. There's no other way around it. Like someone else said, you don't spend a first round draft choice on a "run plugging DE." Jury still out, and I trust Whaley with defensive picks, but I am worried. For all the talk of what a deep defensive line draft 2016 was, I don't really see any edge rushers that have been lighting it up. Actually hear good things about Jaylen Smith in Dallas. Correct me if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: with the GM?? Jury still out, and I trust Whaley with defensive picks, but I am worried. For all the talk of what a deep defensive line draft 2016 was, I don't really see any edge rushers that have been lighting it up. Actually hear good things about Jaylen Smith in Dallas. Correct me if I'm wrong. Right which I why I say Whaley is a very polarizing figure. I tend to think his drafting really left a lot to be desired, and I think risks like Shaq Lawson are one good reason why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Right which I why I say Whaley is a very polarizing figure. I tend to think his drafting really left a lot to be desired, and I think risks like Shaq Lawson are one good reason why was it really a risk, felt like he was BPA at a position of need no less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 minute ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: was it really a risk, felt like he was BPA at a position of need no less. Yeah I'll call drafting a player that many teams took off of their draft boards in the 1st round a risk. How has it worked out so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Looking back I like the draft. Ragland looks good, that's a very deep Chiefs front 7 btw. Big fan of Adolphus. Cardale was a dumb pick, that RB probably wasn't any good. I liked Seymore last year. Great value IMO. I don't understand why this new regime dumped so many rookie contracts. If Shaq can be a serviceable starter, I think Doug Whaley did well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: Not so sure about having to wait...Shaq was a Whaley pick and not necessarily the type of DE that McD prefers...if there is a pass rusher in the draft that meets value, I don’t think McD would not pick him just because Shaq was drafted two years ago. At this point I believe Shaq is the only Whaley first rounder left (wood was nix?) and none of his second rounders are left (cordy likewise nix) right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Yeah I'll call drafting a player that many teams took off of their draft boards in the 1st round a risk. How has it worked out so far? First of all that means nothing, Tunsil slid too. He was the last DE taken in the first round. Him and Joey Bosa. ugh Savage just blew the game and gave Ravens the W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Just now, PetermanThrew5Picks said: First of all that means nothing, Tunsil slid too. He was the last DE taken in the first round. Him and Joey Bosa. ugh Savage just blew the game and gave Ravens the W. There's two different reasons they were taken off. One was because of a major injury and the other was because of off the field incidents. Who cares if Shaq was the last DE taken, it was a very bad draft pick and probably one of the reasons why Whaley is out of the NFL. BTW see what I mean about Whaley being polarizing. Fans will defend bad draft picks like this to the death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, NoSaint said: At this point I believe Shaq is the only Whaley first rounder left (wood was nix?) and none of his second rounders are left (cordy likewise nix) right? This doesn't say anything. Whaley had his picks purged by the new regime, he'd obviously still have the guys he wanted. Who cares who's still on the roster, are the players he drafted playing well? Because they got traded for picks right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: This doesn't say anything. Whaley had his picks purged by the new regime, he'd obviously still have the guys he wanted. Who cares who's still on the roster, are the players he drafted playing well? Because they got traded for picks right away. #WhaleyApologist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 He was a Rex guy. I'm surprised he's still on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: with the GM?? Maybe he parked in the GM's parking spot? Hehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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