Pro Football HOF Announces 2018 Modern Era Semifinalists

[Fadingpain]

What a weak group of names.

[PromoTheRobot]

I know Ty Law belongs to the Sundowner hall of fame.

[Mark Vader]

3 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

Lewis is more liked by the media which gives him a better chance to get in. 

Exactly.

 

That's how Cris Carter got in.

[Alaska Darin]

Lewis was the most dominant defensive player on the most dominant defensive team of his era.  He is absolutely in the conversation along with Butkus and Lambert as the best MLBers of all time.  If he's not in on the first ballot, something is dramatically wrong with the process.

[Last Guy on the Bench]

7 hours ago, KD in CA said:

 

Yup.  Personally I'd rank them Moss, Coryell and Lewis but those are the top 3.  TO is #4.

 

Moss might be the best football player I've ever seen.

I agree. I might put Lewis ahead of Coryell, but your four as a whole seem just right to me.  I can't understand any argument against them.

 

Moss was a total freak and an absolute joy to watch play. Lewis was an all timer - a dominant player who changed games. TO was in the top few receivers in the league for many years and has the numbers to prove it. Coryell paved the way for 21st century football. Don't know how anyone can not vote for any of those guys.

[DriveFor1Outta5]

12 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

Lewis is more liked by the media which gives him a better chance to get in. 

Exactly. The media writes the narrative on who is a “good guy” vs “bad guy”. Image is not solely defined by ones actions. It is also defined by the picture painted by the media. Obviously it helps to maintain a squeaky clean image because it eliminates the media element. Everyone else becomes subject to the media’s judge and jury. This is the only reason that TO is being blackballed. 

[Mark Vader]

I would select: Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, Don Coryell & Ray Lewis.

[Rico]

I would put Urlacher in the Steroid Hall of Fame.

First ballot, wtf?

[BobChalmers]

20 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The TO situation has become an embarrassment for the league. It’s a black eye. The guy is, without question, a 1st ballot HOFer and he can’t get in because some writers don’t like him. It’s a joke. They need to make it right.

 

TO is no Moss.  He's a Hall of Famer but no first ballot guy.  Had a lot of dumb drops that cost his team.

 

Keep in mind Thurman Thomas didn't get in on first ballot.

 

First ballot on this list for me:

 

Lewis

Moss

Coryell

Atwater

Craig

6 hours ago, Rico said:

I would put Urlacher in the Steroid Hall of Fame.

First ballot, wtf?

 

Yeah, and frankly his play was excellent but overrated IMHO.

 

People wanted him to be the next Mike Singletary - he was not.

[Kirby Jackson]

8 minutes ago, BobChalmers said:

 

TO is no Moss.  He's a Hall of Famer but no first ballot guy.  Had a lot of dumb drops that cost his team.

 

Keep in mind Thurman Thomas didn't get in on first ballot.

 

First ballot on this list for me:

 

Lewis

Moss

Coryell

Atwater

Craig

He’s on ballot 3. It’s disgusting that he isn’t in. Not to be that guy or anything but TO is historically a greater player than Thurman. They put Harrison in, who is a worse player and shot a guy. 

[/dev/null]

20 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I would vote Hines Ward in either of them.  Ward didn't have the same numbers but he has two Super Bowl rings and isn't an asshat

[Jackington]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He’s on ballot 3. It’s disgusting that he isn’t in. Not to be that guy or anything but TO is historically a greater player than Thurman. They put Harrison in, who is a worse player and shot a guy. 

Um what? Owens never led the league in receptions or yards. Thurman did it 4 years in a row, which no one has done. And he was league MVP one year.

 

It was a joke Thurman had to wait a year and Jim Kelly was a 1st balloter. Thurman was a way better RB than Kelly was QB

[Mark Vader]

19 hours ago, Rob's House said:

The HOF is a joke until TO is in. I don't know how anyone can even argue against him with a straight face.

 

He was one of the biggest stars of a generation. People who don't even watch football know who he is. Anyone who leaves him off the ballot should have his voting rights stripped IMO.

The HOF has turned into a joke the last few years with some of their inductions.

 

Please do away with the Senior committee. They are really watering down the Hall.

 

And Terrell Owens should have been a first ballot inductee. He was a difference maker.

[NewEra]

22 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Nope---OJ would not have gotten in if his first year of eligibility was 1995.  Zero chance.

 

 

 

I they are making TO wait, they certainly should let the POS Lewis wait.

I’ll be shocked if Lewis doesn’t get in 1st ballot.  Do you think he committed murder?  If not, why shouldn’t he get in?  Because he could’ve been more cooperative with the investigation?  If Ray truly had nothing to do with the murder other than being witness to it and uncooperative I don’t see why he doesn’t get in 1st ballot.  Best Inside Lb I’ve ever seen play (I’m 43).  A complete game changer and leader of a top 5 defense ever with 2 SB rings.

 

Imo, it should be Owens 1st (because he’s long overdue), then Lewis, Moss and Coryell.  

 

 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He’s on ballot 3. It’s disgusting that he isn’t in. Not to be that guy or anything but TO is historically a greater player than Thurman. They put Harrison in, who is a worse player and shot a guy. 

Disagree. I assume you're using his ranks because he played longer. Thurman was an MVP and Player of the Year. Pro Bowls 6-5 wash. Don't see it unless you're ranking him higher because he played longer. Thurman's peak higher IMHO makes him better.

[Alphadawg7]

On 11/21/2017 at 5:15 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Its a total travesty that Roger Craig isn't already in.

 

Here is who I would put IN:  Craig, Lewis, Moss, Lynch, Holt.  

 

I see some making a case for Owens, but Holt was a better player and I would hands down put him in over TO, even though I don't disagree that TO has a hall worthy resume.  

 

As far as the others I picked:  Craig changed the game for RB's and deserves to be in already as one of the first real dual threat RBs in terms of running and receiving.  He got over shadowed with Montana and Rice there, but this guy was a huge part of that team that doesn't get the credit he deserves.  Lewis one of the 3 best LBs to ever play.  Lynch one of 3 best Safeties to ever play.  Moss one 3 greatest WR's to ever play.  

Edited November 23, 2017 by Alphadawg7

[wppete]

Owens has to get in this year. If not this is a joke!

[Kirby Jackson]

3 hours ago, Jackington said:

Um what? Owens never led the league in receptions or yards. Thurman did it 4 years in a row, which no one has done. And he was league MVP one year.

 

It was a joke Thurman had to wait a year and Jim Kelly was a 1st balloter. Thurman was a way better RB than Kelly was QB

Don’t disagree with the 2nd part at all. If Kelly was a 1st ballot HOFer TO belongs in on his 3rd try. He’s a way better Harrison (that didn’t shoot anybody and didn’t have Peyton). 

2 hours ago, horned dogs said:

Disagree. I assume you're using his ranks because he played longer. Thurman was an MVP and Player of the Year. Pro Bowls 6-5 wash. Don't see it unless you're ranking him higher because he played longer. Thurman's peak higher IMHO makes him better.

Historically I don’t believe that Thurman was a better player. Obviously I love Thurman but that’s what i think. 

[AmishRifle]

I think Jimmy Johnson should get in.  The guy changed the game with his draft grading and process for the draft.  

[Mr. WEO]

On November 22, 2017 at 7:39 PM, NewEra said:

I’ll be shocked if Lewis doesn’t get in 1st ballot.  Do you think he committed murder?  If not, why shouldn’t he get in?  Because he could’ve been more cooperative with the investigation?  If Ray truly had nothing to do with the murder other than being witness to it and uncooperative I don’t see why he doesn’t get in 1st ballot.  Best Inside Lb I’ve ever seen play (I’m 43).  A complete game changer and leader of a top 5 defense ever with 2 SB rings.

 

Imo, it should be Owens 1st (because he’s long overdue), then Lewis, Moss and Coryell.  

 

 

 

He obstructed the investigation of a murder, as well as helped destroy evidence. 

 

Anyway, Owens didn't murder, witness a murder, obstruct a murder investigation, nor did he help destroy evidence of a murder...... yet the HOF voters have made him wait--and he's (at least) a top 5 WR in the history of the game.  It would be proof positive of how idiotic this voting system if they let Lewis in on the first ballot.   Total hypocrisy.

 

 

[KD in CA]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He obstructed the investigation of a murder, as well as helped destroy evidence. 

 

Anyway, Owens didn't murder, witness a murder, obstruct a murder investigation, nor did he help destroy evidence of a murder...... yet the HOF voters have made him wait--and he's (at least) a top 5 WR in the history of the game.  It would be proof positive of how idiotic this voting system if they let Lewis in on the first ballot.   Total hypocrisy.

 

 

 

But TO did complain about his QB and do push ups in his driveway for assembled sports writers.   Oh yeah, and there was that whole Sharpie thing...

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, KD in CA said:

 

But TO did complain about his QB and do push ups in his driveway for assembled sports writers.   Oh yeah, and there was that whole Sharpie thing...

 

 

Capital crimes!!

[KD in CA]

On 11/22/2017 at 5:21 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I see some making a case for Owens, but Holt was a better player and I would hands down put him in over TO, even though I don't disagree that TO has a hall worthy resume.  

 

 

I wouldn't put him in ahead of TO, but I agree Holt is underrated and bears strong consideration for the HOF.

[Mr. WEO]

On November 22, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Its a total travesty that Roger Craig isn't already in.

 

Here is who I would put IN:  Craig, Lewis, Moss, Lynch, Holt.  

 

I see some making a case for Owens, but Holt was a better player and I would hands down put him in over TO, even though I don't disagree that TO has a hall worthy resume.  

 

As far as the others I picked:  Craig changed the game for RB's and deserves to be in already as one of the first real dual threat RBs in terms of running and receiving.  He got over shadowed with Montana and Rice there, but this guy was a huge part of that team that doesn't get the credit he deserves.  Lewis one of the 3 best LBs to ever play.  Lynch one of 3 best Safeties to ever play.  Moss one 3 greatest WR's to ever play.  

 

 

Hands down better than TO??

 

Holt played 10 years on one team with 2 QBs and had 74 TDs

 

TO played 15 years on 5 different teams and had more than twice as many TDs as Holt.  His mostnTDs came from....Jeff Garcia!

 

TO produced pretty much wherever with whomever.

 

Holt?  No..

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He obstructed the investigation of a murder, as well as helped destroy evidence. 

 

Anyway, Owens didn't murder, witness a murder, obstruct a murder investigation, nor did he help destroy evidence of a murder...... yet the HOF voters have made him wait--and he's (at least) a top 5 WR in the history of the game.  It would be proof positive of how idiotic this voting system if they let Lewis in on the first ballot.   Total hypocrisy.

 

 

And TO has zero titles, 1 SB appearance while the ravens wouldn’t have won any SBs without Ray, while winning 2 with him.  

 

I get what you’re saying, but my money is Ray Lewis being a first ballot HoFer and I’d be surprised if he isn’t. 

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Hands down better than TO??

 

Holt played 10 years on one team with 2 QBs and had 74 TDs

 

TO played 15 years on 5 different teams and had more than twice as many TDs as Holt.  His mostnTDs came from....Jeff Garcia!

 

TO produced pretty much wherever with whomever.

 

Holt?  No..

 

There is more than just TD's and TO had 5 more seasons on Holt to increase those totals, not to mention Holt played with Bruce and Faulk who took TD opportunities away and yet he still had 74.  TO spent most of his career as the main target who basically demanded to be force fed the ball hence the padding of the numbers over Holt.  

 

Holt was a better WR overall, better route runner and better hands, not to mention light years better teammate.  I would take Holt over TO any day of the week even if TO had been a model citizen.  TO was the Amare Cooper of his day of drops.  

 

Holt amassed all his totals over 10 years while sharing the ball with a couple of the best players at their positions of their era and even ever.  TO ball hogged his way to falling out with every QB he essentially ever played with while also running the team simultaneously into chaos.  No doubt Holt has same if not more than TO if he played on a team where he was force fed too.

 

This is what happens when you compare stat boxes rather than the circumstances and talent of the players.  Stat boxes don't tell the whole story.  TO was no slouch and has a HOF resume,  but Holt was a better all around WR.  

Edited November 25, 2017 by Alphadawg7

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

There is more than just TD's and TO had 5 more seasons on Holt to increase those totals, not to mention Holt played with Bruce and Faulk who took TD opportunities away and yet he still had 74.  TO spent most of his career as the main target who basically demanded to be force fed the ball hence the padding of the numbers over Holt.  

 

Holt was a better WR overall, better route runner and better hands, not to mention light years better teammate.  I would take Holt over TO any day of the week even if TO had been a model citizen.  TO was the Amare Cooper of his day of drops.  

 

Holt amassed all his totals over 10 years while sharing the ball with a couple of the best players at their positions of their era and even ever.  TO ball hogged his way to falling out with every QB he essentially ever played with while also running the team simultaneously into chaos.  No doubt Holt has same if not more than TO if he played on a team where he was force fed too.

 

This is what happens when you compare stat boxes rather than the circumstances and talent of the players.  Stat boxes don't tell the whole story.  TO was no slouch and has a HOF resume,  but Holt was a better all around WR.  

 

You also "not to mentioned":

 

1.) TO played with Jerry Rice for his first 5 seasons in SF.  You probably don't think Rice was as good as Bruce either...

 

2.)The "circumstances" under which TO amassed a large chunk of his TDs--it was with Jeff Garcia, after Rice had left. Imagine that....a QB throwing most of his passes to his best (and only decent) WR!  How many games did Holt play as the only threat at WR (and thus drew the best coverage)?  By you estimation, not many.

 

3.) How many Sbs did dimwit Andy Reid make it to with the Eagles before TO showed up on his doorstep?  And didn't TO break his leg, require screws placed---in mid December---and STILL made it back to play in the SB against all predictions....and caught 9 passes for 122 yards?  Yeah, that was quite "selfish" of him.  There isn't a single player in the NFL nowadays who would rehab that injury that quick to play even in a SB.

 

Holt was a very good receiver and he benefitted greatly, as you have perhaps inadvertently pointed out, by other very good receiving options drawing coverage away from him.  

 

 

 

 

[Alaska Darin]

Who knew Tory Holt's mom posted on TBD?  We get contributions from everyone!

[TallskiWallski83]

The hall of fame is a joke until Owens is in. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

AS much as I despise both Ray Lewis and Jimmie Johnson, they both deserve to get in as does don Coryell as he revolutionized the game.

[BigDingus]

Owens was better at his position than pretty much every player the Bills have had get into the HOF the past 20 years with the exception of Bruce Smith.

Kelly was great, but he's not even considered a top 10 QB all-time. Same with Thomas at RB and Reed a WR.

Owens IS a top 10 WR all-time. He easily should've been first ballot, but he wasn't...so he deserves to get in immediately.