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Most interceptions in a half since 1991.

 

That was sickening.

 

And shocking.

 

I legitimately thought Peterman would come in and play well.

 

Right now he looks like Jeff Tuel 2.0... worse actually.

 

 

Too many posters here saying our passing game couldn't get any worse.

 

Come eat some crow. 0:)

 

 

At least he was awful enough that we can quickly go back to Taylor and try for a playoff run in our super weak conference :thumbsup:

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TT is a QB who isn't going to win games by himself, but won't lose games by himself. In other words, a pretty average QB.

 

Peterman gave them no chance with those turnovers.

 

In saying that, the defence was awful once again and it wouldn't have mattered who started the game.

 

Would have been closer if TT played but that's about it

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1 minute ago, billsfan11 said:

TT is a QB who isn't going to win games by himself, but won't lose games by himself. In other words, a pretty average QB.

 

Peterman lost the game with those turnovers.

 

In saying that, the defence was awful once again and it wouldn't have mattered who started the game.

 

Would have been closer if TT played but that's about it

exactly. TT, while he may not win a shootout, he won't throw the game away either.

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1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said:

Peterman still threw for more yards in one half than Taylor threw the entire game last week.

 

Just sayin...

He also threw for more INTs in one and a half quarters and more pick 6's in 25 minutes than Tyrod has thrown all year.

 

Just sayin'

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Just now, billsfan11 said:

TT is a QB who isn't going to win games by himself, but won't lose games by himself. In other words, a pretty average QB.

 

Peterman lost the game with those turnovers.

 

In saying that, the defence was awful once again and it wouldn't have mattered who started the game.

 

Would have been closer if TT played but that's about it

 

The team lost the game with those turnovers. Not just Peterman. When guys are letting footballs go through their hands off their face into the hands of defenders for pick 6's and the OLine can't put a single finger on Bosa before he blows up the rookie QB and our starting running back runs into our rookie QB as he's throwing the ball, it's not just on one guy.

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2 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

Peterman still threw for more yards in one half than Taylor threw the entire game last week.

 

Just sayin...

cool. that was last week. today they both played a half:

 

Tyrod Taylor: 15/25    158yds

Nathan Peterman: 6/14    66yds

 

 

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Just now, Wayne Arnold said:

 

The team lost the game with those turnovers. Not just Peterman. When guys are letting footballs go through their hands off their face into the hands of defenders for pick 6's and the OLine can't put a single finger on Bosa before he blows up the rookie QB and our starting running back runs into our rookie QB as he's throwing the ball, it's not just on one guy.

Tyrod has been playing behind that same line all year.  Are you giving him a pass?

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6 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

Peterman still threw for more yards in one half than Taylor threw the entire game last week.

 

Just sayin...

 

Thank you for the wonderful teachings example to all the people who say things like “turnovers don’t matter” and “total yards are the best way to rank a passing offense.”

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3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

The team lost the game with those turnovers. Not just Peterman. When guys are letting footballs go through their hands off their face into the hands of defenders for pick 6's and the OLine can't put a single finger on Bosa before he blows up the rookie QB and our starting running back runs into our rookie QB as he's throwing the ball, it's not just on one guy.

Oh agreed 100 percent.

 

That was my point all along about the team having major holes and not just the QB

 

People can blame TT all they want and sometimes rightfully so.

 

But this team has very little talent and it doesn't even matter if tom brady is quarterback for them now. They are a joke and have so many holes to fill

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Just now, Wayne Arnold said:

 

The difference between the two is that Peterman is already throwing by the time Mills' man is crushing him. Taylor holds the ball too long to be throwing by then. 

So your opinion is that a throw is inherently good?  A completion is a completion no matter who the team?

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9 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

Peterman still threw for more yards in one half than Taylor threw the entire game last week.

 

Just sayin...

 

Cool take, did you know that both QBs played a half this week. Wanna guess who threw for more yards and TDs? Wanna take a stab at who threw more ints?

 

I'll hang up and listen.

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3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Thank you for the wonderful teachings example to all the people who say things like “turnovers don’t matter” and “total yards are the best way to rank a passing offense.”

 

59 yards passing = 5 int's 

 

what's the difference? 

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I don't think anyone argued that it could not get worse than Taylor.  That does not mean that Taylor is the answer. 

 

Taylor cannot carry an offense in any way.  He can succeed at a mid-level, if surrounded by very good talent and supported by an exceptional defense - neither exist here today.

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4 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

The difference between the two is that Peterman is already throwing by the time Mills' man is crushing him. Taylor holds the ball too long to be throwing by then. 

 

What we learned today is there is a reason Tyrod holds the ball. No one is getting open. Peterman found that out the hard way, you can’t throw 1-on-1 balls to our receivers. They are simply terrible. In retrospect Tyrod is the only reason we had any semblance of an offense all year long. Dennison’s system is a joke, receivers are a joke, line is a joke. It’s beem proven once and for all Tyrod is at least an average starting QB in this league because no backup QB puts up points in this offense. God help us all if the Bills decide to trade the farm for a QB next year with all these holes.

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1 minute ago, apuszczalowski said:

The problem isn't the QB, it's the guy designing and calling the plays for the QB. You know what you have in TT, there's some good and some bad with him, some good advice to him would be to work to what he does well. 

 

so check it down. got it.

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Just now, HappyDays said:

 

What we learned today is there is a reason Tyrod holds the ball. No one is getting open. Peterman found that out the hard way, you can’t throw 1-on-1 balls to our receivers. They are simply terrible. In retrospect Tyrod is the only reason we had any semblance of an offense all year long. Dennison’s system is a joke, receivers are a joke, line is a joke. It’s beem proven once and for all Tyrod is at least an average starting QB in this league because no backup QB puts up points in this offense. God help us all if the Bills decide to trade the farm for a QB next year with all these holes.

That sounds an awful lot like something Shady said earlier in the year...

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1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

What we learned today is there is a reason Tyrod holds the ball. No one is getting open. Peterman found that out the hard way, you can’t throw 1-on-1 balls to our receivers. They are simply terrible. In retrospect Tyrod is the only reason we had any semblance of an offense all year long. Dennison’s system is a joke, receivers are a joke, line is a joke. It’s beem proven once and for all Tyrod is at least an average starting QB in this league because no backup QB puts up points in this offense. God help us all if the Bills decide to trade the farm for a QB next year with all these holes.

 

If the Bills DON'T attempt to resolve the situation, it WILL be a terminal failure.

 

Take that to the bank. Lead pipe stone cold lock.

 

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1 minute ago, joesixpack said:

 

If the Bills DON'T attempt to resolve the situation, it WILL be a terminal failure.

 

Take that to the bank. Lead pipe stone cold lock.

 

 

They should draft a QB in the 1st. I don’t think think anyone is against that right now. But after the last 3 weeks I don’t know how anyone could want us to lose out on a number of easy round picks. We have so many positions to rebuild. Like the entire front 7 for starters.

3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

That sounds an awful lot like something Shady said earlier in the year...

 

You see Richard Sherman’s tweet? I think he knows a little something about QBs.

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23 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

What we learned today is there is a reason Tyrod holds the ball. No one is getting open. Peterman found that out the hard way, you can’t throw 1-on-1 balls to our receivers. They are simply terrible. In retrospect Tyrod is the only reason we had any semblance of an offense all year long. Dennison’s system is a joke, receivers are a joke, line is a joke. It’s beem proven once and for all Tyrod is at least an average starting QB in this league because no backup QB puts up points in this offense. God help us all if the Bills decide to trade the farm for a QB next year with all these holes.

 

Let's not pretend Taylor is flawless just because Peterman had a historically bad first outing. Receivers are open for great quarterbacks even when it looks like they aren't. Peterman was finding guys to throw to for the most part - he just was getting annihilated in the process.

 

In fact, maybe today really did have a silver lining: I never saw Taylor as aggressive with downfield throws in limited time than today. Like he had nothing to lose. (Except for his fumble). Maybe we'll see more aggressiveness from him as a result of the benching.

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14 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Let's not pretend Taylor is flawless just because Peterman had a historically bad first outing. Receivers are open for great quarterbacks even when it looks like they aren't. Peterman was finding guys to throw to for the most part - he just was getting annihilated in the process.

 

No one is pretending he is flawless. He is a decent starting QB but he needs a system built around him just like any QB. Deshaun Watson and Carson Wentz wouldn’t succeed in each other’s offenses. Didn’t we just fire Rex Ryan for trying to force his system on a defensive roster that wasn’t built for that? Why are we excusing Dennison coming in and designing an offense that doesn’t fit Tyrod’s skill set?

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1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

No one is pretending he is flawless. He is a decent starting QB but he needs a system built around him just like any QB. Deshaun Watson and Carson Wentz wouldn’t succeed in each other’s offenses. Didn’t we just fire Rex Ryan for trying to force his system on a defensive roster that wasn’t built for that? Why are we excusing Dennison coming in and designing an offense that doesn’t fit Tyrod’s skill set?

 

The weirdest thing is how Dennison seemed to use more bootlegs and rollouts with Peterman than Tyrod which you would assume would fit Tyrod perfectly.

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2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

The weirdest thing is how Dennison seemed to use more bootlegs and rollouts with Peterman than Tyrod which you would assume would fit Tyrod perfectly.

 

That 3rd down play with Peterman rolling out of the pocket was a big middle finger to the fans

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