Cordy Glenn has two injured feet (Returning to practice 12/6)

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

Hard to say. Jason Peters had foot injuries and came back better than before. So did Kyle Williams, who had bone spurs in both feet that really undercut his play in 2011 or so. I'm less worried about feet/ankle injuries than back injuries when it comes to big men. 

 

Re: rolling the dice with his money, they're rolling either way - his 2018 dead money charge is huge. If he's healthy next season and they draft a stud qb, wouldn't you want a top-10 LT protecting him? I would. I'm not saying that the problem isn't chronic, btw - we simply don't know. It's just that I'm so tired of Bills fans (not you) saying Bills players are injury prone and therefore expendable. Paul Posluzny comes to mind. He's a good player and looks like he's going to have a 12-15 year career. When he was on the Bills, everyone said he was injury prone. His injuries weren't of the chronic kind, however; they were the sorts of random injuries that can happen to any player on any play and aren't a huge problem long term. 

 

I was -PISSED- when they moved Poz. That was ridiculous. I'm curious as to just how many games Cordy's missed over his career with injury.

 

Still a bit peeved with Whaley for giving him the contract he did, however.

 

 

 

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, joesixpack said:

 

I was -PISSED- when they moved Poz. That was ridiculous. I'm curious as to just how many games Cordy's missed over his career with injury.

 

Still a bit peeved with Whaley for giving him the contract he did, however.

 

 

 

I get that, but IF he is healthy come training camp, he's a good player that should be retained. He's the best lineman on the team when healthy. 

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

You know, there's a truism in the NBA that I think also applies here. Big men with foot/ankle problems are likely done.

 

You could be right, of course. He could come back and be the next coming of Anthony Munoz. Or he could never be the same. Are you willing to roll the dice with his money?

 

That’s my thought process.  BIG men with foot problems is a scary combo imo.  Rolling the dice sounds about right to me. If we can get something of good value for him, I’d pull the trigger based on health.  It would be good for Cordy too.  He could possibly block for a legit qb

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

I get that, but IF he is healthy come training camp, he's a good player that should be retained. He's the best lineman on the team when healthy. 

 

I'm not so sure that's the case. Dawkins has been a revelation as a rookie and should only get better.

 

[dave mcbride]

Just now, joesixpack said:

 

I'm not so sure that's the case. Dawkins has been a revelation as a rookie and should only get better.

 

We shall see, but Glenn has always been good when he played. Regardless, I'd rather have too good OTs than one. This is a team that can't be wasting early draft picks on o-linemen next year. It has to be QB all the way, and they're going to need to trade up.

[ddaryl]

12 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said:

And didn't we just give this guy an extension?  Yeah.  I think 2/5 of the line is new next year.  Wood, Incog, and Dawkins start.  Maybe Miller or Groy can step up.  Groy must be really bad in practice as we don't see him at all

 

Damn there will be a LOT of holes on this roster next year

 

 

Like I've been saying even an average O Lineman start to look much more competent when the QB is hitting those short passes quickly, and that Averge OL starts to look much better with a consistent QB capable of gettng rid of the ball quickly and an OC system that been runnign for a few years.. 

 

How many times have we changed OC's in the last 5 years, 10 years, on average every 3.. and not once did we have anything but average QB play even on our best days in that time. A few accpetional games mixed in of course but each season saw more QB struggles that successes. Which caused more turnover at the HC OC and DC positions which keeps us in a tail spin

 

Get the QB... unfortunately JP losman and EJ Manual were on nobodies short list of QB's but they were our 2 1st rd attempts.. Got to go get a college player who show signs of being able to throw accurately and make quick reads.. Neither EJ or JP showed that and we saw the results. Move up ang get that player.. But intangibles like arm stregth and size mean nothing if the abilty to process quickly and natural accuracy is not there IMO

Edited December 6, 2017 by ddaryl

[BillnutinHouston]

1 hour ago, cba fan said:

Beano has make one trade as a Bill employee(Benjamin) that was not anything other than a complete and utter fail/loss. 

 

If your concern is instant gratification, then I agree with you.

[Mark Vader]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Marshmallows worthless? Terrible take. Ever had S’mores? Try with Reese’s cup instead of Hershey bar. You’re welcome. 

And instead of Graham Crackers use Keebler Fudge Stripe Cookies. You're welcome.

[FLFan]

46 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

I was -PISSED- when they moved Poz. That was ridiculous. I'm curious as to just how many games Cordy's missed over his career with injury.

 

Still a bit peeved with Whaley for giving him the contract he did, however.

 

 

 

As I recall, they did not " move" Poz, he left in free agency.  I also recall they did try to sign him. He had multiple reasons for wanting to move on, including I believe a pending change in D schemes. 

[GG]

46 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Holy smokes.  Did he eat one of the practice squad players in his time off?

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, GG said:

Holy smokes.  Did he eat one of the practice squad players in his time off?

 

Hilarious. 

[YoloinOhio]

22 minutes ago, GG said:

Holy smokes.  Did he eat one of the practice squad players in his time off?

lol I was going to say ... whoa. Mix in a salad once in awhile.  Maybe his fiancée is pregnant, and... 

Edited December 6, 2017 by YoloinOhio

[Big Turk]

put Glenn at LT and move Dawkins to RT...even if he takes some time to get up to speed on the switchover he is light years better than Mills.

Edited December 6, 2017 by matter2003

[YoloinOhio]

Put Glenn at nose tackle 

[CommonCents]

All that weight is really going to help those feet. 

[YoloinOhio]

 No wonder McD said there is no timetable. Can’t get him away from the dessert table. 

[CommonCents]

Here we are debating his future all the while he is morphing into a Tonka Trunk behind the scenes. Holy **** Cordy go for a walk.

[wiskibreth]

1 hour ago, joesixpack said:

 

I was -PISSED- when they moved Poz. That was ridiculous. I'm curious as to just how many games Cordy's missed over his career with injury.

 

Still a bit peeved with Whaley for giving him the contract he did, however.

 

 

 

2012 started/played in 13 games, suffered an ankle injury in week 4, missed 3 games

2013 - started/played all 16

2014 - started/played all 16

2015 - started/played all 16

2016 - started/played in 11, suffered an ankle injury in week 11, missed 5 games

2017 - Started in 5, played in 6, and has missed the last 4 games all due to ankle/foot, missing a total of 6 games thus far in 2017

 

Grand total of missed games due to injury: 14

Edited December 6, 2017 by wiskibreth

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

17 minutes ago, wiskibreth said:

2012 started/played in 13 games, suffered an ankle injury in week 4, missed 3 games

2013 - started/played all 16

2014 - started/played all 16

2015 - started/played all 16

2016 - started/played in 11, suffered an ankle injury in week 11, missed 5 games

2017 - Started in 5, played in 6, and has missed the last 4 games all due to ankle/foot, missing a total of 6 games thus far in 2017

 

Grand total of missed games due to injury: 14

 

With the bulk in the past two years, and both in the ankle/foot area.

 

 

Disconcerting.

 

[cba fan]

3 hours ago, wiskibreth said:

2012 started/played in 13 games, suffered an ankle injury in week 4, missed 3 games

2013 - started/played all 16

2014 - started/played all 16

2015 - started/played all 16

2016 - started/played in 11, suffered an ankle injury in week 11, missed 5 games

2017 - Started in 5, played in 6, and has missed the last 4 games all due to ankle/foot, missing a total of 6 games thus far in 2017

 

Grand total of missed games due to injury: 14

but but but... he is always injured.

 

Thanks for showing he is a relative ironman with Bills players.

[YoloinOhio]

Sal Capaccio on radio just now “Dion Dawkins is the franchise LT for this team” 

[BigBuff423]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Sal Capaccio on radio just now “Dion Dawkins is the franchise LT for this team” 

 

As I'm sure you recall Yolo, the note on Glenn when he came was out of college was that he may very well be a better Guard than Tackle. Now, he's played very, very well when he's healthy. But, in your quote of Sal and as others have speculated, the team really seems to like Dawkins at LT and he has played admirably all things considered. 

 

With that in mind, maybe it makes more sense to move Glenn to LG since Richie may or may not be here next year and either way is a bit long in the tooth. To me, (when healthy) that puts two of your better Offensive linemen on the left side that are relatively young and can make make that left side even better. If Richie stays, it makes more sense to move HIM to RG since he's a short timer with the Bills anyways.

[Woodman19]

The injuries are a big red flag for someone of his size.  If you can fetch a good return, probably best to move the contract and continue to load up on more kids.

[Socal-805]

On ‎9‎/‎20‎/‎2017 at 6:53 AM, billsherd said:

LT with one of the 1st round picks.

 

OR 2nd round pick.  Something...

 

4 hours ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

As I'm sure you recall Yolo, the note on Glenn when he came was out of college was that he may very well be a better Guard than Tackle. Now, he's played very, very well when he's healthy. But, in your quote of Sal and as others have speculated, the team really seems to like Dawkins at LT and he has played admirably all things considered. 

 

With that in mind, maybe it makes more sense to move Glenn to LG since Richie may or may not be here next year and either way is a bit long in the tooth. To me, (when healthy) that puts two of your better Offensive linemen on the left side that are relatively young and can make make that left side even better. If Richie stays, it makes more sense to move HIM to RG since he's a short timer with the Bills anyways.

 

 

I would DUMP Cordy Glenn and his contract while they still might get anything for him.

 

 

[BigBuff423]

39 minutes ago, Socal-805 said:

 

OR 2nd round pick.  Something...

 

 

 

I would DUMP Cordy Glenn and his contract while they still might get anything for him.

 

 

 

I understand the frustration given the end of last season and how little he's played this season, but all you need to do is look at the games he's played when he's been relatively healthy - which was most of them up until the end of last year - to see just how good of a blocker he truly is.....additionally, they already have him under contract and if the Bills could find a way to put both him and Dawkins on the left side, I think that's a great left side to have...

[thebandit27]

5 hours ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

As I'm sure you recall Yolo, the note on Glenn when he came was out of college was that he may very well be a better Guard than Tackle. Now, he's played very, very well when he's healthy. But, in your quote of Sal and as others have speculated, the team really seems to like Dawkins at LT and he has played admirably all things considered. 

 

With that in mind, maybe it makes more sense to move Glenn to LG since Richie may or may not be here next year and either way is a bit long in the tooth. To me, (when healthy) that puts two of your better Offensive linemen on the left side that are relatively young and can make make that left side even better. If Richie stays, it makes more sense to move HIM to RG since he's a short timer with the Bills anyways.

 

I'd move Cordy to RT if they feel that Dawkins is the LT.

 

You can get away with paying Cordy until the time comes to pay Dion, which will be at least another 2 seasons.  By that point, Cordy will be on the wrong side of 30 and cost $12.7M against the cap (while cutting him prior to the start of the 2020 league year would save $9.5M against the cap).

 

There's no downside to Glenn, since he's being paid as a premier LT, and there's no downside to Dawkins, since it sets him up to get paid like a premier LT when his rookie contract expires.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

 

I'd move Cordy to RT if they feel that Dawkins is the LT.

 

You can get away with paying Cordy until the time comes to pay Dion, which will be at least another 2 seasons.  By that point, Cordy will be on the wrong side of 30 and cost $12.7M against the cap (while cutting him prior to the start of the 2020 league year would save $9.5M against the cap).

 

There's no downside to Glenn, since he's being paid as a premier LT, and there's no downside to Dawkins, since it sets him up to get paid like a premier LT when his rookie contract expires.

 

I wouldn't be in such a hurry to jettison Cordy if he can regain his foot/ankle health with OL often playing at a high level well into their 30s.

[Big C]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I wouldn't be in such a hurry to jettison Cordy if he can regain his foot/ankle health with OL often playing at a high level well into their 30s.

 

Definitely too far down the road to think about just yet. If we move Cordy to RT and he gets healthy, we can theoretically pay Dawkins and retain Cordy. It remains to be seen what other vets or prospects could come our way in FA/draft in 2019-20. 

[BigBuff423]

15 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I'd move Cordy to RT if they feel that Dawkins is the LT.

 

You can get away with paying Cordy until the time comes to pay Dion, which will be at least another 2 seasons.  By that point, Cordy will be on the wrong side of 30 and cost $12.7M against the cap (while cutting him prior to the start of the 2020 league year would save $9.5M against the cap).

 

There's no downside to Glenn, since he's being paid as a premier LT, and there's no downside to Dawkins, since it sets him up to get paid like a premier LT when his rookie contract expires.

 

bandit, good to hear from ya! Haven't seen you around for a while, hope all is well!

 

I get the point about moving Glenn to RT, but given Glenn has played on the left side for most of his career and that he may be more suited for a Guard at this point, reinforcing the left side - especially if the Bills draft a right handed QB - makes more sense to me as they will most likely need to draft or sign an OT anyways, let it be a RT. 

[thebandit27]

15 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I wouldn't be in such a hurry to jettison Cordy if he can regain his foot/ankle health with OL often playing at a high level well into their 30s.

 

In a hurry?  I'm talking about after 2 more seasons.  The overarching point is that what to do with Cordy after a successful transition to RT is a problem for another day.

Just now, BigBuff423 said:

 

bandit, good to hear from ya! Haven't seen you around for a while, hope all is well!

 

I get the point about moving Glenn to RT, but given Glenn has played on the left side for most of his career and that he may be more suited for a Guard at this point, reinforcing the left side - especially if the Bills draft a right handed QB - makes more sense to me as they will most likely need to draft or sign an OT anyways, let it be a RT. 

 

Thanks for the sentiment!

 

Of course what you're saying is salient; the plan would be predicated upon Cordy showing the ability to play on the opposite side.  If he doesn't, then you have to re-think the plan for the starting 5.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

 

In a hurry?  I'm talking about after 2 more seasons.  The overarching point is that what to do with Cordy after a successful transition to RT is a problem for another day.

 

Mostly that was a general comment regarding him moving beyond this season. 

[2003Contenders]

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I'd move Cordy to RT if they feel that Dawkins is the LT.

 

You can get away with paying Cordy until the time comes to pay Dion, which will be at least another 2 seasons.  By that point, Cordy will be on the wrong side of 30 and cost $12.7M against the cap (while cutting him prior to the start of the 2020 league year would save $9.5M against the cap).

 

There's no downside to Glenn, since he's being paid as a premier LT, and there's no downside to Dawkins, since it sets him up to get paid like a premier LT when his rookie contract expires.

 

Agree 100%. Recall that coming out of college many thought Glenn was best suited to play RT or guard anyway. That said, I would still like to see 1-2 offensive linemen drafted in the mid rounds.

[baskingridgebillsfan]

I still don't know what the actual injury is.  Tendons, a fracture , high ankle sprain ?   I do know having a healthy Glenn and Dawkins next year would be nice.  

[CommonCents]

4 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

I still don't know what the actual injury is.  Tendons, a fracture , high ankle sprain ?   I do know having a healthy Glenn and Dawkins next year would be nice.  

A healthy Glenn and Dawkins would be a solid combination but the chance that Cordy decides to eat Dawkins has to be considered.

 

In all seriousness I can see why Cordy is on the outside looking in, it's a hard sell on a guy that looks like that and plays a proffesional sport for a living. He ain't takin this serious