John from Riverside Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 I dont get the feeling this is 2015 at all.....but they have to prove it on the field I just get this feeling that when the games are over analysts will be talking about how the team did not beat itself with stupid penalties and lack of communication on the field THAT ALONE is going to be worth a few wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 I think Roman was the master designer and A Lynn was a better playcaller. Play designs were indeed fantastic. Lynn reduced the play prep and simplified the language to reduce the time consumed by playcalling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 I dont get the feeling this is 2015 at all.....but they have to prove it on the field I just get this feeling that when the games are over analysts will be talking about how the team did not beat itself with stupid penalties and lack of communication on the field THAT ALONE is going to be worth a few wins They may not look like idiots but I don't see more wins because of it. On paper they look like the same team. At best they could match 2015 record and that's not a playoff run it's just a late pic and out of the top QB draft once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 They may not look like idiots but I don't see more wins because of it. On paper they look like the same team. At best they could match 2015 record and that's not a playoff run it's just a late pic and out of the top QB draft once again. How many offensive drives stalled do to a untimely holding penalty How many opponents offensive drives continued because of a untimely stupid penalty It absolutely makes a difference when you fact that our O was top 10 in scoring but our D could not stop anybody allow 1 less touchdown a game and our record looks MUCH different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 How many offensive drives stalled do to a untimely holding penalty How many opponents offensive drives continued because of a untimely stupid penalty It absolutely makes a difference when you fact that our O was top 10 in scoring but our D could not stop anybody allow 1 less touchdown a game and our record looks MUCH different Absolutely. Don't allow 3 200 yard rushers...maybe a few more wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Haha, I'm thinking I will be getting a bunch of chores done this season. I'm sure they'll really miss you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 (edited) Roman had the same problems here that he had in SF. Simple pass plays, no middle of the field, too long to get plays in, no 2 minute offense, too many deep routes, and lots of sacks. Edited May 4, 2017 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 If Shady twinges his hamstring, I could see us in the 18-20 offensive range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 If Shady twinges his hamstring, I could see us in the 18-20 offensive range. injuries can happen to any team that said....the bills have done pretty well overcoming rb injuries in the past once they moved on from having specific scrubs on the team We just dont have the star power past Shady....it would be unknown guys like Jonathan Williams....who will be 2 years removed from that injury his last year of college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 I believe the word "scheme fit" comes up often, as it should. This type of scheme which is quite different than what Jim Scwartz was running but I think this is a better fit for Jerry Hughes, Marcel Dareus and Shaq Lawson, that being said we still don't know what we have in MLB Reggie Ragland or if Lorenzo Alexander can live up to last years lofty expectations, this LB group is definitely a weak link but I expect us to be a better group collectively with coaches who will push the players and get the most out of them, that's the hope anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 I think this year is much different than 2015, actually, but agree that most of it is based on whether or not you believe that McDermott is doing the right thing. And I also will acknowledge that it's tough to say right now given that McD is an unknown. As for 2017, I am not super optimistic. In the longer term, I am more optimistic. I think McD is a good hire, based on what he's done so far. For example: - Renegotiating TT - Trading back in Rd 1 and getting some ammo for 2018 - Putting Sammy on a play and get paid year, giving us more options in case SW is damaged goods Time will tell, but what baffles me are the prophets that are CERTAIN they know what will happen with this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 I believe the word "scheme fit" comes up often, as it should. This type of scheme which is quite different than what Jim Scwartz was running but I think this is a better fit for Jerry Hughes, Marcel Dareus and Shaq Lawson, that being said we still don't know what we have in MLB Reggie Ragland or if Lorenzo Alexander can live up to last years lofty expectations, this LB group is definitely a weak link but I expect us to be a better group collectively with coaches who will push the players and get the most out of them, that's the hope anyways. good post. I believe they show much improvement from the disaster that was rex ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 (edited) I think Roman was the master designer and A Lynn was a better playcaller. I think that's right. Roman is a great offensive mind. Lynn used that system but scaled things back to the point where the offense could play fast. Edited May 4, 2017 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 At this point, I expect 0-16 going into every season. Just so I can feel good about finishing with 4-8 wins, and a playoff miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted May 4, 2017 Author Share Posted May 4, 2017 Roman has been skewered for limiting Taylor's playbook. That's an unfair take on Roman's handling of TT and the offense. Roman is a respected offensive coordinator who no doubt favors the run game more than most coordinators. He's now the OC for Baltimore. What he did exceptionally well when he was with the Bills is manage Taylor's limitations and exploit as much as possible his strengths. Taylor had half a playbook to work with because he couldn't execute the other half. There weren't many middle of the field throws or seam routes or second or third read passes because he wasn't good at that area of the passing game. Surprisingly, TT throws one of the best long balls in the game. When a player playing any position has weaknesses/vulnerabilities as time goes by they will be exploited. What the Bills have done well in the recent past, most notably the run game, will be taken away. My concern with TT as a qb isn't that there are things that he does well, because he does do some things well, my concern is over the things that he doesn't do well and most likely will never upgrade enough in those areas to become a more well rounded qb who can run a more well rounded offense. Thanks John, this post does a great job of summing up my concerns. What happens when/if Dennison finds out that TT can't/won't throw the ball to a receiver in stride or go to a second read? To me, how they handle TT, especially in regard to moving the pocket to open up throwing lanes and getting him to take a few chances is what's going to dictate how this season pans out. This place will explode if we take 1 step forward on D and 2 steps back on O. At this point, I expect 0-16 going into every season. Just so I can feel good about finishing with 4-8 wins, and a playoff miss. Like Confucius said, the eternal pessimist is the only man every truly pleasantly surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Thanks John, this post does a great job of summing up my concerns. What happens when/if Dennison finds out that TT can't/won't throw the ball to a receiver in stride or go to a second read? To me, how they handle TT, especially in regard to moving the pocket to open up throwing lanes and getting him to take a few chances is what's going to dictate how this season pans out. This place will explode if we take 1 step forward on D and 2 steps back on O. Like Confucius said, the eternal pessimist is the only man every truly pleasantly surprised. so it alllll works its way back to the qb - Not the defense that gave up 300 yard rushers - Not the injuries on offense to key players - Not the coaching that caused horrible communication on the field - Not the atrocious undiciplined play that caused drives to continue against us and stalled drives when we had the ball - Not a blue chip DT who is supposed to be the foundation of our defense It alllll works its way back to the qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Thanks John, this post does a great job of summing up my concerns. What happens when/if Dennison finds out that TT can't/won't throw the ball to a receiver in stride or go to a second read? To me, how they handle TT, especially in regard to moving the pocket to open up throwing lanes and getting him to take a few chances is what's going to dictate how this season pans out. This place will explode if we take 1 step forward on D and 2 steps back on O. Like Confucius said, the eternal pessimist is the only man every truly pleasantly surprised. You really think Dennison doesn't have a feel for how Tyrod will perform after being his QB coach for an NFL season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 You really think Dennison doesn't have a feel for how Tyrod will perform after being his QB coach for an NFL season? It is pretty comical right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagon Circler Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 I am putting a lot on Ragland. If he is good, our defense will be better. McDermott will put in good schemes. We won't stop Brady, but the schemes will be good. I was pretty confident with Rex, but I was also concerned with how we rolled over the Jets the last couple years. They looked disorganized on D and pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted May 4, 2017 Author Share Posted May 4, 2017 You really think Dennison doesn't have a feel for how Tyrod will perform after being his QB coach for an NFL season? I sure hope so, but that's all it is, hope. It was 3 years ago, and for the record, Tyrod only played in 1 game that year and had no passing or rushing attempts, as far as I could tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 I sure hope so, but that's all it is, hope. It was 3 years ago, and for the record, Tyrod only played in 1 game that year and had no passing or rushing attempts, as far as I could tell. They worked together every day. Dennison knows what he can get out of Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 injuries can happen to any team that said....the bills have done pretty well overcoming rb injuries in the past once they moved on from having specific scrubs on the team We just dont have the star power past Shady....it would be unknown guys like Jonathan Williams....who will be 2 years removed from that injury his last year of college. They can. But I think we may be a team most reliant on a single RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Back to the offense, it would be so Bills to improve slightly in the pass game but get worse in the run game under Dennison. Yes it would. Especially considering they let their second best RB get away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 I don't expect the defense to be lights out, but we technically have a first and second rounder also joining the defense from last draft. I say that because as we all know Shaq wasn't healthy a majority of the year and Ragland tore his ACL. There is a reason to believe those guys will bring something under McDermott. They are more traditionally 43 players to begin with. I also think Leslie Frazier will bring a wealth of knowledge abd experience. We won't see players trying to figure out where to be DURING THE PLAY. So often guys were still trying to figure out what the eff their assignment was mid play that no one was in a position to succeed. Mcdermott and Frazier don't do anything overly complex at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Roman's biggest shortcomings were preparing more plays than the team would conceivably run, leading to a lack of execution, and an offense that was too wordy causing lengthy play calls and a lack of time at the line to scan and adjust. my 2 cents That's a fair criticism. Making something more complex than it needs to be is a recipe for more mistakes being made. In Kyle Shanahan's first year in Atlanta he and Matt Ryan were constantly in a state of conflict because Shanahan insisting on complicating the schemes and added to the number of plays while Ryan want him to simplify it a little more. It got to the point that they weren't on speaking terms. The HC forced the two in the offseason to come to some reasonable accommodation which they did. So your point is a pertinent and insightful point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 I dont get the feeling this is 2015 at all.....but they have to prove it on the field I just get this feeling that when the games are over analysts will be talking about how the team did not beat itself with stupid penalties and lack of communication on the field THAT ALONE is going to be worth a few wins Bingo. People will say we haven't seen a game yet so how can you fathom such a crazy idea but I think we can all agree the circus has left town and the new regime looks organized and buttoned down. It is going to be a long four months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 I was just thinking about the great mistake that the collective fanbase made when Rex was hired, and how we all assumed that our defense would be equal or better than it was in 2014 with him at the helm. This has me reasonably concerned that we are making the same mistake with the offense, assuming that TT and Co will be able to run Dennison's offense nearly as efficiently as they were able to run the Roman/Lynn offense. Where do you think that our offense ends up in the standings this year? I have no expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Sean is serious while Rex was doing his Louie Anderson shtick I never thought of Rex as more than a big-mouth clown while with the Jets. I'm sure that about 99% of Bills fans felt that way as well about him. But then he signed with the Bills and almost all his detractors suddenly felt he was a genius now that the Bills hired him. I asked 100 times on the BBMB why they could defend this change of mind, surely just signing with Buffalo can't make a man a genius for the ages, but everyone went off to Cognitive Dissonance Land and didn't want to think about it. So here we are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 this. I have no interest in seeing last year's offense. I would take a drop in rushing rankings if it meant more balance -->. more wins.Totally agree! There is a reason we easily won the rushing title, nobody else tried to because doing so is obsolete in this league. Balance is good and useful. Bring lopsided doesn't work when run heavy. It can as pass heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 About where they were last year. No. Worse. Not because of the coaching change, but just because of regression to the mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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