Help! Please talk me into McDermott - Can't See It

[Superman00]

I'm not sold either but winning will change everything. Some fans see all this change and seem to love it because of you change 17 years of a losing culture then that may equate to wins but that's not certain. He could be Chip Kelly'ing this franchise for all we know. But, if he wins then he's brilliant.

[TheFunPolice]

Sean McDermott wakes up before sunrise for one main reason:

 

To punch mediocrity right in the freaking throat, before it can creep its way into the building.

[cba fan]

McDictator.

 

I will hold judgment until he wins a game as a HC and shows he can game manage.

 

If he was behind the dirty they did Whaley, he will be OK if he wins.

[Captain Murica]

Yeah, I don't know what happened there. Didn't mean it to come out that way

It's okay, I read it in a yelling voice.

[cd1]

I think these are the reasons people are so enamored by McDermott -

 

1. He is NOT Wrecks

 

2. He is Not Whaley

 

3. He is not Brandon

 

THE reason is mostly because he looks nothing like those other familiar things we've seen that results in LOSING.

 

On top of all of the things McDermott is NOT he is, for now, all that our dreams can HOPE for.

 

Today he is a dream come true. September will be the great awakening...

 

THAT is what concerns me. We all know that the Pegulas are easily impressed and perhaps influenced.

 

Wrecks took them for a short ride fortunately they got out fast. NOTHING says they are not being hoodwinked again only this time the stakes are MUCH LARGER.

 

Sorry guys there have been a plethora of coaches come and go and we convinced ourselves to believe...(whatever). Here we are decades later - fool me once - can't get fooled again.

[TheFunPolice]

2014: 9-7

2015: 8-8

2016: 7-9

 

I don't see the disaster. The last time we had competent coaching (yes... and we all know it) the team went 9-7. We were literally a Bryce Brown fumble going into the endzone away from 10-6 and probably playoffs and probably Marrone still here as practically untouchable.

 

No reason to think that a guy whose idea of a day off is only working 9 hours can't get that extra win and get us to 10-6.

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

Give the guy a chance.....

EXACTLY!!!!

 

The friggin' season hasn't even started. Currently, we are undefeated!! So far, I like what I see and hear (not hear, actually!! big difference!!!). I liked all the moves in the draft. McCoach seems focused, intense and determined to build a long-term winner here. He reminds me a bit of Belichick - no nonsense, 100% focused on football. I like it and won't change my opinion until mid-December when we are either completely out of it or ready for the playoffs.

 

GO BILLS!!!!!

[Bookie Man]

He can be that steel fist in this storm of ****.

[thunderingsquid]

He's the anti-Rex.

 

Yes, he's way more toward the Hoodie end of the spectrum and opposite Rex and his ilk.

 

I'd much rather have a Hoodie clone that came from a good coaching tree like Reid's.

[John from Riverside]

You wanna make a determination before he coaches a game for us?

 

hardcore man

[Heitz]

You wanna make a determination before he coaches a game for us?

 

hardcore man

 

In the rush to be right we have no time for facts or actual results!!

[Last Guy on the Bench]

You wanna make a determination before he coaches a game for us?

 

hardcore man

Not at all. Wouldn't call it a determination. Just seeing things that were hitting me wrong and actually wanted counter opinions so I could take a more balanced view. Either way, there's no knowing until we see him in action. Agreed.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

If someone can talk you into it, your convictions are frugle at best.

 

How about you formulate your own opinion and go from there?

 

Cause I mean if all it takes it being talked into it, how about lending me some money?

 

I don't understand the whole premise of being talked into liking or disliking our new HC at the point. I'm from Missouri. You have to show me. I can listen and think "sounds good" or watch what happens and think "hmm, unsure" but it all means nothing until the team takes the field next Fall. Then either we show up disciplined, focused, and ready to play with a good game plan the players go hard to execute, or we don't.

 

I wasn't happy when we hired Rex but I was willing to withhold judgement until I saw the product on the field. Then it was steadily increasing sense of nausea culminating in opening day last fall when I changed names.

 

I'm not sure you know what "frugal" means, but thanks for the advice.

 

I think he might have meant "fragile" but unsure.

[Last Guy on the Bench]

 

In the rush to be right we have no time for facts or actual results!!

Dude, nowhere do I say that I'm right. I may well be completely off base.

 

Just wanted to have some dialogue around different people's reads on the guy so far. And of course facts and results as they emerge will tell the story. But it would be a pretty boring offseason if no one shared any reactions to what's going on at OBD.

[liverpoolkev]

Disclaimer: This is a sincere attempt to understand what others see in McDermott. Not trying to start an argument, as I don't think we have enough info for a meaningful conclusion right now either way.

 

But I am really struggling with this guy so far. And I am an optimist by nature and have pretty much talked myself into every single Bills coach (at least during their first preseason) over the past four decades.

 

Here's what worries me:

-Never says anything remotely interesting. Buttoned-down corporate speak all the way. And I know there is value in keeping your thoughts to yourself, but this kind of say-nothing style doesn't necessarily mask deep thoughts. It often means the person actually has no insight. The way he communicates publicly completely reminds me of Russ Brandon. That is not a good thing, in my opinion.

 

-Seems to have read a few too many leadership books. He seems like he is trying to manufacture himself into a leader through notes and aphorisms and process. I am beyond skeptical of that approach in any organizational context. He doesn't seem comfortable in his skin to me - even the way he fidgets around in press conferences. He seems like a guy who loves the idea of being a leader, but hasn't discovered his own authentic approach. Feels like he's playing dress-up. (Again, screams Russ Brandon.)

 

-Seems technocratic - thinks success will come primarily through control, detail, process. All well and good at times, but nowhere near enough to manage the seething, human, multi-variable complexity that is any football team.

 

-Role in the Whaley affair is unclear, but optics do look like a bit of a backstabbing power grab. I admit this could be TOTALLY off.

 

Here's what I like:

-People he's worked with seem to like the guy.

-Reportedly does a good job of connecting to and caring about players as individuals.

-I have mad respect for Andy Reid, so I like the tree.

 

I admit, my negatives are superficial and based on my own cursory observations, whereas the positives are substantive and based on the experience and testimony of people who have worked with him.

 

But right now I just have the feeling he is in over his head, but has impressed the Pegulas with his organized approach, attention to detail, and stoic wrestler manner - none of which will make him a good coach IMO.

 

I really hope I'm wrong, and I'm totally prepared to fall in love with the guy as things play out. But I can't remember feeling this cold about a hire. Even Marrone who came off as a total tool early on, somehow convinced me he might have something.

He is straight garbage ....his defensive rankings go as follows 21st 6th 10th 2nd (with Greg Hardy) 10th(with Greg Hardy) and 27th. So he is a middle of the road D=coordinator. .

You know what the players also liked Rex, Dick Jauron , Greg Williams how far did that get him.

His defense was clueless against Denver in the Super Bowl

He wants his schill of a front office buddy in Carolina who strong suit is not evaluating talent

This is another Greg Williams type hire..... I've decided not to renew my club seats sect 231 row1 seats 5-10 because this coach and owner is turning this organization back to the country bumpkin joke that it is. I might as well waste my 12K on a couple trips

[ndirish1978]

LAMP alert!

[liverpoolkev]

Sean McDermott wakes up before sunrise for one main reason:

 

To punch mediocrity right in the freaking throat, before it can creep its way into the building.

He should have done that in Carolina then as his defenses has been mediocre

[Last Guy on the Bench]

LAMP alert!

You got me, man. I start one or two threads a year in this joint. Mr. LAMP. What a thrill it is.

[Best Player Available]

Disclaimer: This is a sincere attempt to understand what others see in McDermott. Not trying to start an argument, as I don't think we have enough info for a meaningful conclusion right now either way.

 

But I am really struggling with this guy so far. And I am an optimist by nature and have pretty much talked myself into every single Bills coach (at least during their first preseason) over the past four decades.

 

Here's what worries me:

-Never says anything remotely interesting. Buttoned-down corporate speak all the way. And I know there is value in keeping your thoughts to yourself, but this kind of say-nothing style doesn't necessarily mask deep thoughts. It often means the person actually has no insight. The way he communicates publicly completely reminds me of Russ Brandon. That is not a good thing, in my opinion.

 

-Seems to have read a few too many leadership books. He seems like he is trying to manufacture himself into a leader through notes and aphorisms and process. I am beyond skeptical of that approach in any organizational context. He doesn't seem comfortable in his skin to me - even the way he fidgets around in press conferences. He seems like a guy who loves the idea of being a leader, but hasn't discovered his own authentic approach. Feels like he's playing dress-up. (Again, screams Russ Brandon.)

 

-Seems technocratic - thinks success will come primarily through control, detail, process. All well and good at times, but nowhere near enough to manage the seething, human, multi-variable complexity that is any football team.

 

-Role in the Whaley affair is unclear, but optics do look like a bit of a backstabbing power grab. I admit this could be TOTALLY off.

 

Here's what I like:

-People he's worked with seem to like the guy.

-Reportedly does a good job of connecting to and caring about players as individuals.

-I have mad respect for Andy Reid, so I like the tree.

 

I admit, my negatives are superficial and based on my own cursory observations, whereas the positives are substantive and based on the experience and testimony of people who have worked with him.

 

But right now I just have the feeling he is in over his head, but has impressed the Pegulas with his organized approach, attention to detail, and stoic wrestler manner - none of which will make him a good coach IMO.

 

I really hope I'm wrong, and I'm totally prepared to fall in love with the guy as things play out. But I can't remember feeling this cold about a hire. Even Marrone who came off as a total tool early on, somehow convinced me he might have something.

To date he has not been photographed on a bicycle built for two with his DC.Past that wait for the season to grade him.

[liverpoolkev]

Again agree with most of what you said and seems to be a good evaluator of talent based on the draft... still begs the question can he coach and no he doesnt have 3 years, two at best.... option on third with the talent on this tean now if he can coach?

Again people around here are looking from rose color glasses. He passes a top 10 linebacker at 27 to get a mediocre CB in a deep CB/WR draft.

New Orleans and San Fran was tripping over themselves to get to him because they couldn't believe micky-d was that stupid. I would much rather have Reuben Foster , a top 10 player , with my 2nd rd pick ; 2 3rd rd picks 4-5th round picks in a deep CB/WR draft. Then he trades 3&5 to get Zay Jones make matters worse he trades a 3 and 2-5ths for a guard .....That is not a person stockpiling talent in a deep CB/WR draft that's a fool not looking at the long term health of the franchise...... The two LB he grabbed both (6' 215) weighed less than some available taller heavier CB & safeties that had starting grades ....... He wanted them for special teams really what is his track record that states he knows talent .......he doesn't have one.

The reason people like this draft is because Whaley was working with the Chiefs GM for a week according to the Chiefs To get a next year number 1 .... That wasn't Micky-d

Edited May 2, 2017 by liverpoolkev

[4_kidd_4]

You wanna make a determination before he coaches a game for us?

 

hardcore man

You mean like all the folks anointing the guy already?

 

Works both ways.

[liverpoolkev]

Here are Sean's strengths and weaknesses:

 

ISTJ Strengths

• Honest and Direct – Integrity is the heart of the ISTJ personality type. Emotional manipulation, mind games and reassuring lies all run counter to ISTJs’ preference for managing the reality of the situations they encounter with plain and simple honesty.
• Strong-willed and Dutiful – ISTJs embody that integrity in their actions too, working hard and staying focused on their goals. Patient and determined, people with the ISTJ personality type meet their obligations, period.
• Very Responsible – ISTJs’ word is a promise, and a promise means everything. ISTJs would rather run themselves into the ground with extra days and lost sleep than fail to deliver the results they said they would. Loyalty is a strong sentiment for ISTJ personalities, and they fulfill their duties to the people and organizations they’ve committed themselves to.
• Calm and Practical – None of their promises would mean much if ISTJs lost their tempers and broke down at every sign of hardship – they keep their feet on the ground and make clear, rational decisions. Peoples’ preferences are a factor to consider in this process, and ISTJs work to make the best use of individual qualities, but these decisions are made with effectiveness in mind more so than empathy. The same applies to criticisms, for others and themselves.
• Create and Enforce Order – The primary goal of any ISTJ is to be effective in what they’ve chosen to do, and they believe that this is accomplished best when everyone involved knows exactly what is going on and why. Unclear guidelines and people who break established rules undermine this effort, and are rarely tolerated by ISTJs. Structure and rules foster dependability; chaos creates unforeseen setbacks and missed deadlines.
• Jacks-of-all-trades – Much like Analyst personalities, ISTJs are proud repositories of knowledge, though the emphasis is more on facts and statistics than concepts and underlying principles. This allows ISTJs to apply themselves to a variety of situations, picking up and applying new data and grasping the details of challenging situations as a matter of course.

ISTJ Weaknesses

• Stubborn – The facts are the facts, and ISTJs tend to resist any new idea that isn’t supported by them. This factual decision-making process also makes it difficult for people with the ISTJ personality type to accept that they were wrong about something – but anyone can miss a detail, even them.
• Insensitive – While not intentionally harsh, ISTJs often hurt more sensitive types’ feelings by the simple mantra that honesty is the best policy. ISTJ personalities may take emotions into consideration, but really only so far as to determine the most effective way to say what needs to be said.
• Always by the Book – ISTJs believe that things work best with clearly defined rules, but this makes them reluctant to bend those rules or try new things, even when the downside is minimal. Truly unstructured environments leave ISTJs all but paralyzed.
• Judgmental – Opinions are opinions and facts are facts, and ISTJs are unlikely to respect people who disagree with those facts, or especially those who remain willfully ignorant of them.
• Often Unreasonably Blame Themselves – All this can combine to make ISTJs believe they are the only ones who can see projects through reliably. As they load themselves with extra work and responsibilities, turning away good intentions and helpful ideas, ISTJs sooner or later hit a tipping point where they simply can’t deliver. Since they’ve heaped the responsibility on themselves, ISTJs then believe the responsibility for failure is theirs alone to bear.

https://www.16personalities.com/istj-strengths-and-weaknesses

YOU KNOW WHO ELSE HAD THOSE QUALITIES GREG WILLIAMS .....HOW DID THAT TURN OUT .......MICKY-D IS A FRAUD THAT WILL GET EXPOSED AND FIRED BEFORE THE END OF HIS CONTRACT

[Augie]

He's the anti-Rex.

That alone is enough for me to be pleased to give him a shot!

[oldmanfan]

YOU KNOW WHO ELSE HAD THOSE QUALITIES GREG WILLIAMS .....HOW DID THAT TURN OUT .......MICKY-D IS A FRAUD THAT WILL GET EXPOSED AND FIRED BEFORE THE END OF HIS CONTRACT

Well, this certainly convinces me....

[iinii]

 

"Fight on, my men, Sir Andrew said,

A little I'm hurt but not yet slain.

I'll just lie down and bleed awhile,

And I'll rise and fight again."

 

Thank you Marv

[ndirish1978]

You got me, man. I start one or two threads a year in this joint. Mr. LAMP. What a thrill it is.

 

You're right, that was unfair. My bad.

 

I don't think you could/should be talked into enthusiasm. I myself am cautiously enthusiastic based solely on the fact that we are at least cleaning house and this has been needed sorely for years and this is the first time we actually look to have an actual plan for the organization. Aside from that, there is absolutely no reason to be excited about a first time HC and possibly a first-time GM. Until they start stringing wins together consistently and putting a team out there that actual shows heart and competes in contested games there is really no reason to be excited to root for this team.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

....he's the new sheriff in town.....I'd say by the 1/4 pole of the regular season, you should have some inkling as to whether he is gonna be "Andy of Mayberry" or "Joe of Maricopa County"....stay tuned.............

Edited May 2, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[liverpoolkev]

....he's the new sheriff in town.....I'd say by the 1/4 pole of the regular season, you should have some inkling as to whether he is gonna be "Andy of Mayberry" or "Joe of Maricopa County"....stay tuned.............

Sorry but he will be Barny Fife

[4_kidd_4]

Sorry but he will be Barny Fife

Heh, I always loved that they gave him one bullet and he had to keep it in his shirt pocket.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Sorry but he will be Barny Fife

....somehow I knew that would be comin'...Floyd in the barber shop told me........ .........Goober heard it at the fill up station too.............

[liverpoolkev]

I am all in on high charachter and discipline

 

you can't win with talented dummies like jerry hughes and marcel dareus

We also showed we couldn't win with fine upstanding so called high character guys like Kelsa , Fina , Kyle Williams , Eric Wood and Schoebal either .... If you want all character and discipline guys minus the talent then join the army or go to church... I want talented beast mode players and an Alpha Dog head coach who can unleash the fury..... something we clearly don't have

he can study Jim Johnson all he wants he defenses was never as good during his D-coordinator tenure.. Lets pray Leslie Frazier , who actually know defense and won a super bowl can bail him out

Edited May 2, 2017 by liverpoolkev

[liverpoolkev]

....somehow I knew that would be comin'...Floyd in the barber shop told me........ .........Goober heard it at the fill up station too.............

That is where the owners get their council now its called WGR and Bnews

[Heitz]

Dude, nowhere do I say that I'm right. I may well be completely off base.

 

Just wanted to have some dialogue around different people's reads on the guy so far. And of course facts and results as they emerge will tell the story. But it would be a pretty boring offseason if no one shared any reactions to what's going on at OBD.

 

Sorry, my response was more just a general response to John's comments, I don't really mind the premise of the thread...

 

That said, you had me right up to:

 

 

 

But right now I just have the feeling he is in over his head, but has impressed the Pegulas with his organized approach, attention to detail, and stoic wrestler manner - none of which will make him a good coach IMO.

 

Why do you feel he's in over his head? By all accounts he just led a successful draft and players seems to be bullish...

 

And I would argue that the second bolded parts are very much traits that will help him be a good coach. Probably the wresting too!

 

 

Google something like "What makes Sean McDermott a good coach" and read some the articles. At this point we're going to have to wait for the season to see how he does, but IMO, you can't help but be at least a *little* optimistic.

 

[Guest NeckBeard]

I wouldn't mind a boring, joyless HC who just wins. I sure hope that the winning part happens for a change.

[Elite Poster]

He learned offense from Reid and defense from Rivera

 

Never thought of it this way. Like it.

[Kemp2Warlick]

I'm not very impressed with McBaldy....too Jauron-istic...hope I'm wrong...go bills!

[Augie]

Must be nice to have such a clear and wonderful crystal ball. I'm cautiously optimistic, but I'm not capable of conjuring up the next Lotto numbers.

 

BTW, can one of these absolutely certain posters provide a little help on that Lotto front?

[oldmanfan]

Forget Lotto. I'm hoping the Nostradamus crowd gives us some good stock tips

[WGBillsFan]

players seem to like him. Jerry Hughes and Richie Incognito both praised him.

That's the key...who cares if we like him or not....if the players like him and work hard for him, that is what is important...plus I love how he says everyone must earn their job and the right to win.

[Augie]

Forget Lotto. I'm hoping the Nostradamus crowd gives us some good stock tips

IDK, I'd be good with a cool $90 million!

 

I mean, I was pretty sure Rex was going to be.....well, Rex. But I hoped for the best. Nobody can know for sure, and the people who come as so stinking sure are usually just exposing themselves.