njbuff Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 It's not a need persay, but could Barnett be the best available player at 10? And would you like this pick? Cause it's going to be awfully difficult to trade down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 No😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Barnett is a beast. I would like the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Barnett is what we wish Lawson would become, I'm afraid the pick would be to redundant for GM on a slippery slope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Barnett is what we wish Lawson would become, I'm afraid the pick would be to redundant for GM on a slippery slope. I could see it now as the main staple in the argument against the pick. Going from selecting 1st round CB every few years to DE/OLB every few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I could see it now as the main staple in the argument against the pick. Going from selecting 1st round CB every few years to DE/OLB every few years. I can't speak for an entire fanbase but I certainly wouldn't be upset with it. I could see why they wouldn't do it though. Drafting a WR with the 10th overall pick is also an admission of failure...and once again I wouldn't hate it. If it's Corey Davis. Whaley and company have failed but if they are here to stay I'm ok with accepting that and moving forward and not doing stupid things just because they screwed them up previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 You absolutely can never have enough guys to get to the QB. This is exactly how the Giants were able to beat the Pats twice in the SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) I can't speak for an entire fanbase but I certainly wouldn't be upset with it. I could see why they wouldn't do it though. Drafting a WR with the 10th overall pick is also an admission of failure...and once again I wouldn't hate it. If it's Corey Davis. Whaley and company have failed but if they are here to stay I'm ok with accepting that and moving forward and not doing stupid things just because they screwed them up previously. I do not see it as an admission of failure. Can go several ways with the pick being a WR at 10. Do you think the GM of the Texans feels selecting Will Fuller in the first round while having DeAndre Hopkins is a form of admission to failing? I just see it as adding more ammo for Tyrod or whomever the QB is going forward in the future, which would mean no excuses. Replacing Robert Woods with a Corey Davis, Zay Jones(late 1st if we trade back into the late 20s or 2nd round), or Mike Williams isn't a failure, won't know for sure until the season starts but it isn't a bad idea. Edited April 25, 2017 by Captain Murica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) I do not see it as an admission of failure. Can go several ways with the pick being a WR at 10. Do you think the GM of the Texans feels selecting Will Fuller in the first round while having DeAndre Hopkins is a form of admission to failing? I just think that's a different situation entirely. They didn't trade up for Hopkins. He was drafted much later than our scheduled first round pick, he was taken 27th. The Bills invested a ton in Sammy Watkins. The Texans also boast a playoff caliber defense and a team largely limited solely by their QB. I would argue the Bills are one of the five worst teams talent/cap wise heading into 17'. Edited April 25, 2017 by Commonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I can't speak for an entire fanbase but I certainly wouldn't be upset with it. I could see why they wouldn't do it though. Drafting a WR with the 10th overall pick is also an admission of failure...and once again I wouldn't hate it. If it's Corey Davis. Whaley and company have failed but if they are here to stay I'm ok with accepting that and moving forward and not doing stupid things just because they screwed them up previously. In a day in age where teams are spreading the ball all over the field with spread formations- you think adding another elite weapon would be a failure? I mean off the top of my head, Boldin- Still drafted Fitz Jackson- Still drafted Maclin White- Still drafted Julio Harrison- Still drafted Wayne I mean, let's not act like we would be the first team to add a first round WR whIle having a top flight guy already at the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 We need a homerun in this draft. It's a must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 It's not a bad idea because Sammy has been injured one way or another for the majority of his career. Sure, he has suited up on Sunday's but how many full weeks of practice has he had? If the value is there at 10 it would be tempting to select a WR and have an alternate plan. In a day in age where teams are spreading the ball all over the field with spread formations- you think adding another elite weapon would be a failure? I mean off the top of my head, Boldin- Still drafted Fitz Jackson- Still drafted Maclin White- Still drafted Julio Harrison- Still drafted Wayne I mean, let's not act like we would be the first team to add a first round WR whIle having a top flight guy already at the position. It would be 3 out of the last 4 1st round picks going to the WR position. That is going to get Lions mentions. Sure those guys sucked but if the Bills go WR at 10 that means Watkins wasn't able to produce as expected. A WR as good as Sammy should only need complimentary pieces in the passing game. Another first round WR and the highest paid guaranteed contract to a TE? How bad does TT suck? Or is it Watkins injury history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) It's not a bad idea because Sammy has been injured one way or another for the majority of his career. Sure, he has suited up on Sunday's but how many full weeks of practice has he had? If the value is there at 10 it would be tempting to select a WR and have an alternate plan. It would be 3 out of the last 4 1st round picks going to the WR position. That is going to get Lions mentions. Sure those guys sucked but if the Bills go WR at 10 that means Watkins wasn't able to produce as expected. A WR as good as Sammy should only need complimentary pieces in the passing game. Another first round WR and the highest paid guaranteed contract to a TE? How bad does TT suck? Or is it Watkins injury history? I understand the line of thinking because we traded an additional first while swapping first round picks with the Browns. However, that isn't the same as taking WR year after year. Especially considering we lost a former second rounder to a handsome payday from the Rams. Pointing out Sammy injury history lends it self even more towards possibly needing another legit passing option. Not for nothing, surrounding your team with BPA will always workout more than drafting for need, especially when you can have multiple of that position on the field at once. That's why it would be justified taking another edge despite taking Shaq last year. You have multiple fronts we can utilize and you can never have enough guys getting after the QB. More or less, you have to take BPA. Edited April 25, 2017 by BillsFan17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Barnett is awesome. Beat the great Reggie White's sack record. Would be more than ok with him in the first. It may not seem like it but i think DLine is one of our biggest needs, both end and tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Yes. Interesting fact: he has more sacks v. SEC opponents than Myles Garrett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) I understand the line of thinking because we traded an additional first while swapping first round picks with the Browns. However, that isn't the same as taking WR year after year. Especially considering we lost a former second rounder to a handsome payday from the Rams. Pointing out Sammy injury history lends it self even more towards possibly needing another legit passing option. Not for nothing, surrounding your team with BPA will always workout more than drafting for need, especially when you can have multiple of that position on the field at once. That's fine, but I have a hard time believing a GM who tells me Lawson/Ragland were 1 and 2 on his wish list. What Woods got from the Rams is in line with what teams are willing to pay for WR2 in FA. See Sanu etc. I don't like that price tag and a team like the Bills can find good value in the draft. I was begging for Boyd in the second last year and mentioned many times that Woods wouldn't get paid here. This draft isn't even as important to me, the Bills are transitioning again and they have to many holes to fill. I hope they swing for the fences with an early QB. Whaley doesn't have enough wiggle room to draft true BPA and have a long term approach. Which is why I wanted him gone. Edited April 25, 2017 by Commonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 "...wind up being the sleeper pick of them a WHAT???" Don't leave me hanging, here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Is he on Leroi's list of potential picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share Posted April 25, 2017 Sleeper pick of them "all" I was so excited to post this thread that I forgot to finish the title. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins_deep Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Its not a sleeper pick. He could be the most talented pure passrusher along with reddick. You can never have enough big time pass rushers. The 07 giants were a ball control team tht had a devastating front four as far as a pass rush. In theory if u dont have a franchise qb, get after the qb then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-derek-barnett-edge-tennessee/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0-Technique Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Our revamped secondary would benefit greatly from a fierce pass rush. I would have no problem with drafting Barnett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 That's fine, but I have a hard time believing a GM who tells me Lawson/Ragland were 1 and 2 on his wish list. What Woods got from the Rams is in line with what teams are willing to pay for WR2 in FA. See Sanu etc. I don't like that price tag and a team like the Bills can find good value in the draft. I was begging for Boyd in the second last year and mentioned many times that Woods wouldn't get paid here. This draft isn't even as important to me, the Bills are transitioning again and they have to many holes to fill. I hope they swing for the fences with an early QB. Whaley doesn't have enough wiggle room to draft true BPA and have a long term approach. Which is why I wanted him gone. You hate Whaley. Whatever we do, you will have a problem with because Whaley had Lawson and Ragland 1-2 on his wish list. End of story. No reasons for you to comment on any draft until Whaley is fired. Anything we do must suck because Whaley told us he had Lawson and Ragland 1-2 on his wish list. We get it. Go sulk in the corner until Whaley is fired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 If Barnett is the BPA at 10, we really need new scouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 You don't think Barnett is top 10 talent? He outplayed Garrett this year and had 10 or more sacks every year he played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 You don't think Barnett is top 10 talent? He outplayed Garrett this year and had 10 or more sacks every year he played. This pass rush class is Myles Garrett and a bunch of other dudes. I wouldn't touch another edge guy after Myles until the 20's at the earliest and wouldn't touch Barnett/Watt/McKinley/Lawson/Taco until the 2nd. Shaq would be DE2 in this class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Barnett is the 9th best player on my board. I really like him. Think he will be a productive pass rusher in the NFL. His all round game can still improve but I love his pass rush ability. I would not be at all sad if the Bills picked him at #10, though going by Leroi's list he is not one of their targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjjr Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Would be a great selection in the 2nd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfaninwtn Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Would love the pick. Barnett is a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins_deep Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 This pass rush class is Myles Garrett and a bunch of other dudes. I wouldn't touch another edge guy after Myles until the 20's at the earliest and wouldn't touch Barnett/Watt/McKinley/Lawson/Taco until the 2nd. Shaq would be DE2 in this class. i have no clue what tape you're watching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 might be a safer pick than Jonathan Allen's surgically repaired shoulders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 You absolutely can never have enough guys to get to the QB. This is exactly how the Giants were able to beat the Pats twice in the SB. great point. Tommy really doesn't like to get roughed up . You hate Whaley. Whatever we do, you will have a problem with because Whaley had Lawson and Ragland 1-2 on his wish list. End of story. No reasons for you to comment on any draft until Whaley is fired. Anything we do must suck because Whaley told us he had Lawson and Ragland 1-2 on his wish list. We get it. Go sulk in the corner until Whaley is fired yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Peter King has the Bills taking Barnett at 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 great point. Tommy really doesn't like to get roughed up . . can we let Lawson and Ragland play a full year before we dismiss them. Jeez Peter King has the Bills taking Barnett at 10. how about that. a new entry into wtf will they do. I think they are so many guesses because there will be a very player available at 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BLUES Brothers Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Wow - after reading more about him - he could make sense for us. He was pumped up in this link too: https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-10-prospects-were-higher-on-than-most/ Dallas really wants him so could see us trading down with them but if we keep him as one of Coach's shiny new toys - its good with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Barnett to me just lacks the athleticism. He's a high motor guy with big production but I just wonder how it will transfer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfaninwtn Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 i have no clue what tape you're watching lol I was thinking the same exact thing. He might have him confused with another player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Even if the Bills needed a DE I think marketing would prevent picking two DE's in consecutive years in the first round. Maybe if they had fired Whaley they could pull it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) i have no clue what tape you're watching lol I was thinking the same exact thing. He might have him confused with another player. As Kirby said, Barnett doesn't have the requisite physical attributes associated with being a top-flight pass rusher. Only guy outside of Garrett that possesses enough athletic traits while having the technical proficiency to be worthy of a 1st round selection is Solomon Thomas. Edited April 25, 2017 by Blokestradamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 As Kirby said, Barnett doesn't have the requisite physical attributes associated with being a top-flight pass rusher. Only guy outside of Garnett that possesses enough athletic traits while having the technical proficiency to be worthy of a 1st round selection is Solomon Thomas. Thomas could fall to 10 and make the Bills think hard. I continue to believe that SF has been smokescreening and likes Trubinsky (he's a Cousins clone). If SF passes on Thomas he could fall to us. He's not a position of glaring need but how do you pass up a player like him (or Allen for that matter)? You can't have too many impact defensive linemen IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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