Any way you slice it Kaepernick represents good value

[Riverboat Richie]

Kaep isn't good at QB.

 

I think you're right.

[Alphadawg7]

"They are both good backups" if Ryan has his glass half full

 

I would be shocked if you can get Ryan to say TT is a good back up lol

[B-Man]

Kap is suddenly willing to stand for the anthem. I guess the vague injustices he was protesting aren't so important after all.

 

This guy became a side show and now he's jobless. Todays GM's/Coaches on short leashes don't need the added burden of a side show.

 

Cue TBD's finest w/ racist accusations

 

 

So.................this year Kaepernick will stand before NFL games ..............

 

What do I care what he does in his living room ???

 

[re enlightener]

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/colin_kaepernick_ignored_by_th.html#incart_river_index

 

• Super Bowl experience
• great wheels
• still in his prime

 

Politics aside the guy can still play and yes I was at the 49ers game last year. This would be a no risk acquisition with all upside and I would support it.

the idea of having an idiot headcase with no mental playing skills bothers me, that and that his hair looks like a zoomed in veiw of my ball fro.

[Rob's House]

http://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/publications/empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force

 

Abstract:

This paper explores racial dierences in police use of force. On non-lethal uses of force, blacks and Hispanics are more than fifty percent more likely to experience some form of force in interactions with police. Adding controls that account for important context and civilian behavior reduces, but cannot fully explain, these disparities. On the most extreme use of force officer-involved shootings we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account. We argue that the patterns in the data are consistent with a model in which police officers are utility maximizers, a fraction of which have a preference for discrimination, who incur relatively high expected costs of officer-involved shootings.

Edited March 19, 2017 by Rob's House

[TSOL]

How did you end up with so many misspellings in that copy/paste?

[Rob's House]

How did you end up with so many misspellings in that copy/paste?

Not sure. Something was lost in transit because the original reads clean.

[klos63]

ftfy

 

it is not absurd. nor did i say he had to eat meat. but, excellent misunderstanding and testimony of lack of a reading ability. *high five*

while he is boycotting hawaii, could you please pick up a book on grammar, you're going to be needing it. your lacking in the grammar department is making me miss the days of yore when posters could articulate correctly without such irony. *high five*

 

ps, hawaii sucks.

His diet being vegan certainly implies not eating meat. I guess that's a stretch for you to figure out. Enlighten me, what should he change about his diet to get bigger?

[Green Lightning]

Inaccurate, ineffective, inept when the game is on the line and a sideshow wherever he goes. Yup, let's go get us some of that.

[The Jokeman]

He's a taller version of Tyrod. He'll be someone's backup QB but hopefully not here. Instead want us to draft a guy like Peterman in the 3rd to develop the next few years behind Tyrod "the bridge" Taylor. Or if we stumble take a better QB in 2018 or 2019.

[boyst]

His diet being vegan certainly implies not eating meat. I guess that's a stretch for you to figure out. Enlighten me, what should he change about his diet to get bigger?

vegan doesn't eat a lot protein rich things, besides meat.

 

and if he wants to get bigger, i was up late last night and saw an infomercial as i was falling asleep. it talked about male enhancement but i am not sure how it worked on the details. it was something called extenze. maybe he could try that.

[hondo in seattle]

why insult the president?? .. with your comments from what i am reading. .. being a combat vet does not give you immunity .. for crissakes, dont use "being a combat vet" as a shield.

 

I'm not sure how I'm using it as a shield. I mentioned my vet status to show I'm sensitive to the idea of respecting the flag and all it stands for and yet would still support Kaep as a Bill.

 

As for politics, I don't agree with Kaep or Trump. I think Kaep should stand, I think Trump should be a better human being, and I think Rex - as our HC - shouldn't have publicly supported a very divisive politician. But that's just politics. If Trump had bought the Bills, I'd still be a Bills fan. If Rex had stayed with the Bills, I would have wished him many Super Bowls. And if Kaep puts on a red, white and navy blue uni, I'll root for him.

 

The thing about Kaep is that he was actually hoping his actions would actually help make America a better place. While I think his protest was misguided, it was well intentioned. As others have pointed out, many football players are guilty of doing things that aren't well intentioned. Yet we still cheer them on when they wear the colors of our favorite team.

[Samwell Tarly]

Lost his job to Blaine Gabbert.

Had his chances, screwed it up.

This team has enough issues without adding any more drama. High risk, low reward IMO.

[mead107]

Back in 2013 coach Harbaugh worried he was building to much muscle in his upper body. Could affect his throwing

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/22/harbaugh-worries-that-kaepernicks-arms-are-getting-too-muscular/amp/

[TSOL]

Not sure. Something was lost in transit because the original reads clean.

Well that paper is pretty long, but it definitely suggests a much higher rate of police use of lethal force against minorities, almost 50%. And suggests the complexities of analyzing the data on the use of non lethal force against minorities on a higher rate than against whites. Around 26% more likely to incur non lethal force.

 

I dont know how anyone couldnt conclude, after even scanning that, that racial inequality against minorities, by police, is a very real thing.

 

The paper also suggests it being a cultural issue, and yes, thats probably true. But this is a dang FOOTBALL thread. This is about CK as a quarterback, so his politics ought to be a side note.

 

I fully support his right to protest, what is clearly a real issue in America. I also dont think Tyrod is any better than him as a QB.

 

These Kaepernick threads are brutal though.

Edited March 20, 2017 by Lex Lyon

[hondo in seattle]

End thread now please. You cry when I use the word fanboy but get to call the president a racist ?

 

This is nonsense.

 

I don't "cry." I just don't understand why you continually need to resort to ad hominem attacks when people don't agree with you. I think you should logically present your case without attacking people.

 

And I'm sorry I insulted the president. When I was an officer in the army, I took an oath, "I will not lie, cheat, or steal; nor tolerate those who do." Character means a lot to me. So it disappoints me when we as a nation keep electing politicians with questionable characters. But, admittedly, none of that disappointment should show up on a Bills message board. It's irrelevant.

 

And that's kind of what I think about Kaep's protests. They're irrelevant to him as a Bill. The only question that matters to me is would he be a capable backup. I am convinced that he's not starter material. I'm not convinced he can't be a valuable backup in the right system.

Edited March 20, 2017 by hondo in seattle

[EmotionallyUnstable]

This thread has me wishing EJ was still a Bill...

[mead107]

This thread has me wishing EJ was still a Bill...

why?

[boyst]

my god i am embarrassed for most of ya'll. such vitriol for a backup qb that means nothing that hasn't been discussed 1,000 times and got ugly before. whats going to change now except new members are going to be sucked in to it? kaepernick threads are worse than him starting at qb.

 

jesus, just sad that we can't learn this for the 1,000 thread.

[Eric Moulds on my A**]

my god i am embarrassed for most of ya'll. such vitriol for a backup qb that means nothing that hasn't been discussed 1,000 times and got ugly before. whats going to change now except new members are going to be sucked in to it? kaepernick threads are worse than him starting at qb.

 

jesus, just sad that we can't learn this for the 1,000 thread.

You = fan. Thread = flame.🔥

[Rob's House]

Well that paper is pretty long, but it definitely suggests a much higher rate of police use of lethal force against minorities, almost 50%. And suggests the complexities of analyzing the data on the use of non lethal force against minorities on a higher rate than against whites. Around 26% more likely to incur non lethal force.

 

I dont know how anyone couldnt conclude, after even scanning that, that racial inequality against minorities, by police, is a very real thing.

 

The paper also suggests it being a cultural issue, and yes, thats probably true. But this is a dang FOOTBALL thread. This is about CK as a quarterback, so his politics ought to be a side note.

 

I fully support his right to protest, what is clearly a real issue in America. I also dont think Tyrod is any better than him as a QB.

 

These Kaepernick threads are brutal though.

It shows that per police encounter the likelihood of police using lethal force against minorities is slightly lower than that for whites.

[Radar]

Screw him. The Bills sign him and I am done.

Bye, bye!

[zevo]

Character means a lot to me. So it disappoints me when we as a nation keep electing politicians with questionable characters.

 

Well it's a good thing for you that America didn't vote for a politician....but anyway....Colin is a trash qb...end of thread

[Maury Ballstein]

I would be shocked if you can get Ryan to say TT is a good back up lol

Excellent back up, just like the Amish Cannon. Leave him out there too long and Oak/Pitt/Balt happens.

 

No shame in that game. Wish I was one.

my god i am embarrassed for most of ya'll. such vitriol for a backup qb that means nothing that hasn't been discussed 1,000 times and got ugly before. whats going to change now except new members are going to be sucked in to it? kaepernick threads are worse than him starting at qb.

 

jesus, just sad that we can't learn this for the 1,000 thread.

Like you don't live for Kaep threads.

[boyst]

Excellent back up, just like the Amish Cannon. Leave him out there too long and Oak/Pitt/Balt happens.

 

No shame in that game. Wish I was one.

 

Like you don't live for Kaep threads.

they got embarrassing 5 threads ago.

 

no offense to 90% of anyone on TSW. i don't care if the dislike trump, puppies, twinkies or rainbows. i care if they can talk about a 34 defense, a good pulling guard and other such things. tsw is not conducive to discussing political things because the sensitivity by so many here.

[TSOL]

It shows that per police encounter the likelihood of police using lethal force against minorities is slightly lower than that for whites.

That paper, over and over, states the limitations of the available data with statements such as this.

 

"The key limitation of the data is they only capture the police side of the story. There have

been several high-profile cases of police storytelling that is not congruent with video evidence of the

interaction. Another important limitation for inference is that the data do not provide a way to

identify officers or individuals. Ideally, one would simply cluster standard errors at the officer level

to account for the fact that many data points if driven by a few aggressive officers are correlated

and classic inference treats them as independent. Our typical regressions cluster standard errors at

the precinct level."

 

The interpretation and debate of the data in that paper does not belong in this thread.

[Rob's House]

That paper, over and over, states the limitations of the available data with statements such as this.

 

"The key limitation of the data is they only capture the police side of the story. There have

been several high-profile cases of police storytelling that is not congruent with video evidence of the

interaction. Another important limitation for inference is that the data do not provide a way to

identify officers or individuals. Ideally, one would simply cluster standard errors at the officer level

to account for the fact that many data points if driven by a few aggressive officers are correlated

and classic inference treats them as independent. Our typical regressions cluster standard errors at

the precinct level."

 

The interpretation and debate of the data in that paper does not belong in this thread.

I'm not suggesting that this one study is the ultimate authority on the issue, but it's the most objective and thorough work I've seen on the topic. Moreover, it brings empirical evidence to a conversation that has been dominated by anecdotes and conjecture.

 

And if it weren't for this issue we wouldn't be having this discussion so I think it's fitting for this thread.

[Don Beebe]

We already have Tyrod Taylor and he's a more effective running QB.

 

That's terrible value.

Yes, I agree with this. And he should leave his politics off the field he is just annoying. I have no interest in what he thinks.

[Domdab99]

No politics NOT aside. He is a PR disaster and I know A LOT of guys who would be done with this team with him on it. F Him

Then those guys can go take a flying leap, as far as I'm concerned. Kap exercised his free speech and right to protest in a dignified, respectful manner. I'd love to have a guy of his character on the team.

Edited March 20, 2017 by Domdab99

[boyst]

Then those guys can go take a flying leap, as far as I'm concerned. Kap exercised his free speech and right to protest in a dignified, respectful manner. I'd love to have a guy of his character on the team.

sorry, i just have to laugh at you.

 

do you find socks where the cops look like piggies funny too? bet ya love che guevara an fidel castro pretty cool, too! i bet you don't vote, either?

 

he has no character to judge or hold high. he didn't vote, praised leaders of war crimes and generalized against an entire profession and race. the guy is a mental midget. i can ignore 99% of this thread because most people here are idiots - but this was too much to ignore. to praise his character is either a really lame trolling or you really need better role models in your life. try james stewart, he was a man of high character.

 

gosh, i weep for our future if you're under the age of 30.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Not saying politics doesn't matter and he'd likely cause a distraction due to all the questions raised. In time would slow down and go away.

 

LOL For all that claim they'd be done with the team, I'd be surprised if even one out of ten actually gave up on the team.

 

The question is can he actually play and help. The advantage of having a guy like him as a back up would be you wouldn't have to re-do the offense if something happened to Tyrod as he could likely run all the same plays. It is hard to figure out what happened to him on the field that caused him to go from looking real good, to real bad.

 

No politics NOT aside. He is a PR disaster and I know A LOT of guys who would be done with this team with him on it. F Him

[Domdab99]

I'm 53, served in the Air Force, and I believe in our civil liberties and hold the Bill of Rights sacred.

 

Bet you voted for Trump, didn't you? (See, I can make gross generalizations, too.)

[boyst]

I'm 53, served in the Air Force, and I believe in our civil liberties and hold the Bill of Rights sacred.

 

Bet you voted for Trump, didn't you? (See, I can make gross generalizations, too.)

no, i voted for evan mcmullin.

 

i am 47 yr old father of 4, my oldest is in the navy. he actually works for a living, not like the chair force. blablablabla

 

i think you got life pretty messed up when you think an asshat like kaepernick has character.

 

also, learn to quote people, it's a lot easier for them to reply because usually no one pays attention to nonsense.

[Domdab99]

That's why no one is replying to you

[boyst]

That's why no one is replying to you

you're cute, snowflake. no one is replying because the time of day and most know i'll just make fun of them and not worth their time.

 

the whole kaepernick thread idea has jumped the shark. it needs to just stop. people caring what other nfl players think of each other for example, is a poor measuring bar. 'member when all those nfl players came out in support of aaron hernandez? see, nfl players are not that bright. and measuring the character of a man who would rather cave under pressure than stand (or kneel) for his morals is just one small nugget of the farce of colin kaepernick.

 

have a good night, little boy. do yourself a favor and reply to me on every single topic ever. it'll be fun. like tetris.

[zevo]

I'm 53, served in the Air Force, and I believe in our civil liberties and hold the Bill of Rights sacred.

Bet you voted for Trump, didn't you? (See, I can make gross generalizations, too.)

Well at least he would have voted....more than we can say for Colin.

[klos63]

vegan doesn't eat a lot protein rich things, besides meat.

 

and if he wants to get bigger, i was up late last night and saw an infomercial as i was falling asleep. it talked about male enhancement but i am not sure how it worked on the details. it was something called extenze. maybe he could try that.

You need to educate yourself a bit. Not to get too off track on this thread, but I'm a vegan and my protein level is right where it should be , same with every other vegan I know.

[Domdab99]

Lol why so angry, Scooter?

 

Kap is a young man in his 20s, trying to figure things out. Is he right all of the time? Of course not. but he's trying. Go google him right and see what he's doing...raising money for charity and actually doing things for other people in need.

 

But hey, keep shouting "'MURICA!" and "love it or leave it" if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy. Because God knows standing for the Nationa Anthem at a !@#$ing football game is what makes this country great.

Edited March 20, 2017 by Domdab99

[NoSaint]

So about that value.... what price tag would folks consider him at?

 

I see some hard no answers out there.

 

Anyone in at 2 years 4-5m? That's the Blaine gabbert, Matt cassel, Matt Barkley, Brandon wheeden, Derek Anderson type of range

 

Anyone thinks he gets premium backup pay?

[boyst]

You need to educate yourself a bit. Not to get too off track on this thread, but I'm a vegan and my protein level is right where it should be , same with every other vegan I know.

i know quite decent amount about diets. you're not a professional athlete. his protein number should be well over 130 grams of protein a day. i'm only guessing his weight to be 210-215

Lol why so angry, Scooter?

 

Kap is a young man in his 20s, trying to figure things out. Is he right all of the time? Of course not. but he's trying. Go google him right and see what he's doing...raising money for charity and actually doing things for other people in need.

 

But hey, keep shouting "'MURICA!" and "love it or leave it" if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy. Because God knows standing for the Nationa Anthem at a !@#$ing football game is what makes this country great.

 

 

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