2020 Our Year For Sure Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 I forgot to thank you for being right. It was hilarious watching the basket of koolaid drinkers/ people try to tell you that you were wrong.It really was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 this discussion belongs in the media debate. So the real question is......if you want to believe this statement by Ty Dunne, JUST WHO WAS THE D PLAYER WHO SAID THIS. Rob Ryan is gone, Rex is gone. So what has the player got to lose. The old sources said.....bu??sh?t . We have no idea if this is fact or fiction. If it is fact then why couldn't the player have said this during the season if he is not identified. Typical reporting...or is it just an opinion by Dunne. Ty is not the only reporter who does this, happens at levels (national and local), but this types of reporting differs little from speculation. (by the way...it is believable just not credible.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/181760-carucci-disconnect-exists-between-dl-and-scheme/page-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 They just want to know who is calling the shots and how the power structure is setup. I can't blame them as so do I.Bucky asked the man I am trying to find out what you did for a living . The venomIn that question gives you an insight into how deep the hatred runs . Everything with them is personal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billschinatown Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/181760-carucci-disconnect-exists-between-dl-and-scheme/page-10 Well written. I want the Seattle DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 I think these guys might be done in the League but really looking forward to them as broadcasters Wow. I'm trying to wrap my head around them in a booth. That would either be tremendous or totally unlistenable. I'm not sure which. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Wow. I'm trying to wrap my head around them in a booth. That would either be tremendous or totally unlistenable. I'm not sure which. what about just fitting in to those small booths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 to much time at the big tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 I would rather he pay Rex to do nothing Too bad he can't sell him for tv spots, or make him wash cars. If he was a man he'd return the rest of the money on his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 I kinda got the impression from the start of the 2015 season (after that first Colts game) that Rex Ryan's heart just wasn't in coaching anymore and he was coaching to be fired in Buffalo so he could sit back and rake in his five year 27.5 Million contract while doing as little as possible. Let's face it, that his 2015 scheme for many games was nothing like what we have seen in the past with Baltimore or the NY Jets defenses. That week two Patriot game was the biggest indicator that something was up when he didn't blitz at all and had his secondary playing a prevent type defense in being five to fifteen yards off the Patriots receivers from the start of the game. It's like he purposely tanked the defense to get fired. I also think that how Rex was fired kind of reinforces this idea in that he called the owner and talked it over while basically saying if you're going to fire me then get it over with! This take comes from remembering what Al Davis and Ralph Wilson used to do with certain head coaches. If they wanted to fire a head coach but didn't want to pay him the remainder of his contract they would ask him to fire all or part of his coaching staff and if they refused they had reason to break the contract on grounds of insubordination. Davis did this with several coaches, Mike Shanahan comes to mind and Ralph Wilson did this with Wade Phillips who refused to fire his ST coach after the music city miracle. In a few games over the last two seasons we Bills fans did see some very quality defensive coaching and it was very easy to notice the defense was outstanding. Like that Patriots 2nd game in which Brady was under extreme duress and screaming at his O-linemen on the sidelines. For being 31st in sacks that year the Bills managed to get a heavy pass rush on Brady on 50% of his dropbacks. Both Miami and Jets games the Bills defense played very well and in the last game of the season to knock the Jets out of the playoffs the defense really put their foot on Fitz's throat without Gilmore and Kyle Williams. Holding Fitz to 16 of 37 for 181, 2 TDs, 3 INT's. Either he had it planned to tank it or he just didn't care to put in the effort it takes in film study and the building of a proper game plan to defeat the next opponent. All I know is I want a coach who would give up a kidney rather than lose a single game and it isn't just about the desire to win. The man must also have the smarts to be able to outcoach the devil himself in the AFC East division. Chuck Knox was like that! How many men like that are in the NFL and why would they want to come to Buffalo to be under Whaley, the owners and Brandon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 what about just fitting in to those small booths? LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 (edited) The Bills had 2 LBs make second team all-pro. The D line has Kyle Williams, Marcel Dareus, and Jerry Hughes. Granted the secondary was a medical ward, but geez there's a lot of talent there to be so bad. It's coaching and motivation to blame. In Baltimore and New Jersey, Wrecks had natural, vocal leaders who enforced discipline, so he never had to. Here, you've got Dareus and Hughes, not exactly the most mature or responsible players you'll ever meet. Blame the players if you want but if the coach allows sloppiness and laziness, some players will just take it. And the schemes, my God, some weeks they'd be great and some pathetic, but never would there be any provision for adjustment during the game. This has been the most frustrating two years in my 50+ years of following the Bills. The offense, even with all the injuries to WRs, put up points. They couldn't get first downs when they needed them, but if the D had been able to hold opponents to 20 points per game, the Bills would have made the playoffs for sure. The D was just helpless, particularly against strong O lines. Edited January 7, 2017 by Utah John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 (edited) I kinda got the impression from the start of the 2015 season (after that first Colts game) that Rex Ryan's heart just wasn't in coaching anymore and he was coaching to be fired in Buffalo so he could sit back and rake in his five year 27.5 Million contract while doing as little as possible. Let's face it, that his 2015 scheme for many games was nothing like what we have seen in the past with Baltimore or the NY Jets defenses. That week two Patriot game was the biggest indicator that something was up when he didn't blitz at all and had his secondary playing a prevent type defense in being five to fifteen yards off the Patriots receivers from the start of the game. It's like he purposely tanked the defense to get fired. I also think that how Rex was fired kind of reinforces this idea in that he called the owner and talked it over while basically saying if you're going to fire me then get it over with! This take comes from remembering what Al Davis and Ralph Wilson used to do with certain head coaches. If they wanted to fire a head coach but didn't want to pay him the remainder of his contract they would ask him to fire all or part of his coaching staff and if they refused they had reason to break the contract on grounds of insubordination. Davis did this with several coaches, Mike Shanahan comes to mind and Ralph Wilson did this with Wade Phillips who refused to fire his ST coach after the music city miracle. In a few games over the last two seasons we Bills fans did see some very quality defensive coaching and it was very easy to notice the defense was outstanding. Like that Patriots 2nd game in which Brady was under extreme duress and screaming at his O-linemen on the sidelines. For being 31st in sacks that year the Bills managed to get a heavy pass rush on Brady on 50% of his dropbacks. Both Miami and Jets games the Bills defense played very well and in the last game of the season to knock the Jets out of the playoffs the defense really put their foot on Fitz's throat without Gilmore and Kyle Williams. Holding Fitz to 16 of 37 for 181, 2 TDs, 3 INT's. Either he had it planned to tank it or he just didn't care to put in the effort it takes in film study and the building of a proper game plan to defeat the next opponent. All I know is I want a coach who would give up a kidney rather than lose a single game and it isn't just about the desire to win. The man must also have the smarts to be able to outcoach the devil himself in the AFC East division. Chuck Knox was like that! How many men like that are in the NFL and why would they want to come to Buffalo to be under Whaley, the owners and Brandon. You are over-analyzing what happened here. Rex was not only a bad hire he was also a peculiar hire . You are making it out as if fizzled here because his heart was not in his job any longer. That's not the main reason he was let go. He failed mainly because he was inept and his approach to the game was outdated. What happened here is the same thing that happened in NY where he also got fired. He left the Jets in shambles and he left the Bills in shambles. When you hire incompetents with extended revealing records you get the outcome you deserve. The scheme issue is a fake issue. There are many different schemes that work on defense and also offense. Drawing up the scheme that you have been wedded to takes no brains, any fool can continue doing what he has always done. Getting the players to understand your scheme and making sure they can execute it is the essence of coaching. If a coach can't adjust his scheme to the talent that he has on hand then it isn't going to work. That is a coaching failure more than a player failure. Edited January 7, 2017 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 You are over-analyzing what happened here. Rex was not only a bad hire he was also a peculiar hire . You are making it out as if fizzled here because his heart was not in his job any longer. That's not the main reason he was let go. He failed mainly because he was inept and his approach to the game was outdated. What happened here is the same thing that happened in NY where he also got fired. He left the Jets in shambles and he left the Bills in shambles. When you hire incompetents with extended records you get the outcome you deserve. That's not exactly right. He fizzled out in NJ because they ran out of talent in the back end of that defense, had no QB, he was undermined by his GM (similar to here actually), AND Rex failed to adapt his systems to the modern game. He's an out of date coach, yes, but that's not the whole story. It's a combination of factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 (edited) That's not exactly right. He fizzled out in NJ because they ran out of talent in the back end of that defense, had no QB, he was undermined by his GM (similar to here actually), AND Rex failed to adapt his systems to the modern game. He's an out of date coach, yes, but that's not the whole story. It's a combination of factors. There's never one reason why a person fails in a complex job. To blame the GM is a cop out excuse for a failed coach. Did the GM and the coach in NY totally agree on the roster? No. Did the GM and the coach in Buffalo totally agree on the roster? No. That is the norm in the NFL. Our last draft and offseason were dedicated to securing Rex type of players. That didn't stop the decline on defense. What happened was that the decline accelerated. The word discipline is not associated with Rex Ryan. The word intelligent is not associated with Rex Ryan. The words flexible and adaptable are not associated with Rex Ryan. The words attention to detail are not associated with Rex Ryan. The words most associated with this huckster have to do with being loud, obnoxious, braggadocio and faux pas tough guy. I'm not into excuses. He set this franchise back. And that is a shame! Edited January 7, 2017 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Yes, I see this as another hit on the whole organization including Whaley. When Rex floated the idea of bringing his brother in, let alone a real organization today should never allow nepotism, considering his poor defensive record someone should have had the wisdom and/or balls to say heck NO! If Whaley already didn't like the job Rex was doing he never should have allowed it. And Pegula should have been smarter than that. Honestly, how many people even on this board thought that would work out well? You don't have to be a football insider or expert to know that was a stupid idea! I don't want our GM and owner(s) deciding who the coach should or should not put on his staff. If it doesn't work out then it's on the head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Just glad it wasn't the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 (edited) Whether you think Rob Ryan (or Rex for that matter) is good or bad: Have any of these players in their anonymous quotes to Ty Dunne taken responsibility for not tackling, being either too dumb or too lazy to learn the playbook, not making plays when they were in position to make plays, slowing down to look at/blame someone else rather than try to tackle the guy running into the end zone . . . . The Ryan brothers are gone. We still are going to be stuck with some of these players. Edited January 7, 2017 by Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billschinatown Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Whether you think Rob Ryan (or Rex for that matter) is good or bad: Have any of these players in their anonymous quotes to Ty Dunne taken responsibility for not tackling, being either too dumb or too lazy to learn the playbook, not making plays when they were in position to make plays, slowing down to look at/blame someone else rather than try to tackle the guy running into the end zone . . . . The Ryan brothers are gone. We still are going to be stuck with some of these players. People don't change their minds when they think they know what they know. These players were good before. Rex came to town and they suck. The players didn't change. The scheme turned to ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 (edited) People don't change their minds when they think they know what they know. These players were good before. Rex came to town and they suck. The players didn't change. The scheme turned to ****. That must explain the bad tackling . . . . I am glad to find out that we have championship defensive players and the scheme was the only thing keeping them back from a Super Bowl. Edited January 7, 2017 by Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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