vincec Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 name all the great coaches who didn't have a great QB Joe Gibbs Bill Parcells George Allen Marty Schottenheimer Bill Cowher (pre-Roethlisberger) Bud Grant (pre-Tarkenton) George Halas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 It feels dirty, but Sully has some good points as well: http://buffalonews.com/2016/12/16/fans-direct-ire-toward-top/ <snip> If the Pegulas trust Brandon and Whaley to deliver another head coach, they deserve to fail. Pegula's instincts were right when he looked for a veteran outside football man to help lead the Bills in a new direction. But when he lost Polian, he took the lazy way out, and he's back where he started. <snip> favorable to the GM's side in a crisis. Sully is absolutely right, this is exactly what Pegs deserves. And to all those who are happy with the job Brandon and Whaley have done, this **** show is exactly what you deserve as well. I still have faith that Pegs will eventually wake up and do the right thing, he will just have to learn the hard way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDO'Kearney Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Joe Gibbs Bill Parcells George Allen Marty Schottenheimer Bill Cowher (pre-Roethlisberger) Bud Grant (pre-Tarkenton) George Halas I know you were just responding to the post, but 3 of those guys practically pre-dated the forward pass. You almost didn't need a great QB when a winning formula was "3 yds and a cloud of dust". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 And unfortunately I think Rex is the type that peaks early and won't build that 5-10 year empire... yea, like with the jets but not just because of that. I think his schtick wears out, he requires a lot in place and he lacks the formality to really architect something that big. He's the type that excites guys out of the gate. I think it's even deeper than that. He is a guy who wants to win, but needs to win his way, meaning with his defensive system. I don't think he can humble himself enough to truly change up if it's not working. Will he tweak it, scale back a bit? Sure. But eventually we get back to guys running on and off the field when the ball is snapped. Why don't they know who is supposed to be on the field in certain situations at this point in his tenure? No excuse. No retread coaches, no long term assistants getting a chance and no college coaches please. The Bills need a new young hot coach if they can Rex. A hot young coach has usually been an assistant for some time or a college coach who has done something innovative or exciting during his tenure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) I certainly was hoping for a better record and better defense. This is where it begins and ends with me and Rex...The Defense...It's his baby...He stood up and promised excellence...I'm really not the type to kill a guy for falling a little short...I swear I'm not...But truth is the D has fallen woefully short of anything resembling excellence... I really feel the game has passed Rex's Defense by...I think the final proof is how much Rob's Defenses have struggled on other teams recently with completely different personnel...NFL Offenses have caught up... And if Rex can't bring Defensive excellence, then what good is he really? Fun press conferences? I really think the Bills can do better than Rex Ryan...I think it sucks that we're in this position...This is not a fun time...Even though I was not a fan of the hire I understand how this is a decision no one wanted to have to make after only 2 years...And I can see why some folks want to keep him for continuities sake...But I doubt it gets better from here with that guy...I just don't think that he's good enough anymore... Edited December 17, 2016 by KOKBILLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtbag Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I still have faith that Pegs will eventually wake up and do the right thing, he will just have to learn the hard way. you should totally kick dude's ass, if that's what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Yikes. On paper Whaley has done some decent things. Three coaches in how many seasons? That is not great. Even if he wasn't a major part of the Gailey and Marrone process. Gailey was more Nix and Brandon and Marrone was joint Nix, Brandon and Whaley I'm sorry, but FO cleaning should commence. Let Terry finally pick his guys and build a quality foundation finally for this team. Wasn't it the Pegula's who wanted Rex? I remember it being reported that Whaley had another coach in mind, but when Rex interviewed he wowed the Pegula's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Wasn't it the Pegula's who wanted Rex? I remember it being reported that Whaley had another coach in mind, but when Rex interviewed he wowed the Pegula's. Pegs said himself that he didn't know what he was doing. He leaned on the experts he employs, and their advice was: "You'll know him when you see him." If hiring Rex was a big mistake, at least Pegs can keep the same gaggle that served the above vapidity to him on that last trip down the slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Haven't you listened to Russ? He sells tickets and we are a national brand now with Rex. Yep...A national brand...What is the product? Anthrax?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) Rex >>>>> Greggo Marrone I know you passionately hated Marrone but his team's played hard. He, like Jauron, gets a bum rap for the results he produced. I realize I am probably the last semi-supporter left but Ryan for all his bluster has produced less. Edited December 17, 2016 by Fan in Chicago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I know you passionately hated Marrone but his team's played hard. He, like Jauron, gets a bum rap for the results he produced. I realize I am probably the last semi-supporter left but Ryan for all his bluster has produced less. Marrone was 6-10 and a fake 9-7. Nothing great about his results. He was supposed to be an OL guru who was going to be innovative. Instead, he was the run of the mill, conservative coach who was far too passive with games on the line. Add in the inflated ego, he was not the right guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I know you passionately hated Marrone but his team's played hard. He, like Jauron, gets a bum rap for the results he produced. I realize I am probably the last semi-supporter left but Ryan for all his bluster has produced less. I have my pitchfork out for Rex just like everyone else but you really need to go back and watch some more Marrone footage...... The OL play seriously regressed under Marrone and he is a friggen offensive linmen......in a way Rex and Marrone have the same issues but on opposite sides of the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18277690/nfl-2016-adam-schefter-chris-mortensen-week-15-notebook-leveon-bell-future-pittsburgh-steelers there it is. Says Whaley most likely staying. I'm for a full house cleaning and Whaley has been nothing more than underwhelming here. But if he can find the right coach/QB than by all means go for it. What an awful hire this was. We were right on the verge of becoming a quality team, Rex legit set this team back 3+ years. Right...because 8-8 and likely 9-7 are such terrible records it's going to take a new coach 3 years to be able to win...Lmao...the stuff people come up with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 And unfortunately I think Rex is the type that peaks early and won't build that 5-10 year empire... yea, like with the jets but not just because of that. I think his schtick wears out, he requires a lot in place and he lacks the formality to really architect something that big. He's the type that excites guys out of the gate. Most likely correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 It would be awfully Billsy to let go of two coaches after a three year span of 9-7, 8-8, 9-7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Joe Gibbs Bill Parcells George Allen Marty Schottenheimer Bill Cowher (pre-Roethlisberger) Bud Grant (pre-Tarkenton) George Halas that is a extremely short list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 It would be awfully Billsy to let go of two coaches after a three year span of 9-7, 8-8, 9-7 When's the last time the Bills did that? Rex won't go 9-7 so have no fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Hearing Cowher bantered about just makes me laugh. This will be the 6th coaching search where the fanbase wants him and some actually think he'll consider coming out of retirement to coach the Bills. It is not happening my friends and I for one don't want a coach that's been out of the game a decade taking the reigns. Last time we tried to hire him he Recommended Chan Gailey. I wonder who he will recommend this time? Schefter's reporting that people believe Rex might be fired. Yeah, that's concrete. Twitter is the tail that wags the dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 I'm hoping for Schwartz/ Romo (Dak better not screw up and get pulled) Schwartz's teams in Detroit were even more undisciplined than Rex's. May be a good fit however. They also we're pretty good at finding new ways to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Schwartz's teams in Detroit were even more undisciplined than Rex's. May be a good fit however. They also we're pretty good at finding new ways to lose. It was all Megatron's fault , hogging the ball all the time do you mean undisciplined on or off the field? All I know is our defense was great under Schwartz. It's just Hughes is a bonehead regardless of coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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