D521646 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Look, I get that there are many here that love TT, I am pulling for him too, but I'm also a realist. He's not our guy, and it's not because he lacks weapons, the tape doesn't lie, he's inaccurate, feel pressure that isn't there, and doesn't ever seem to know where the first down markers are... I saw Harvins face a few times today, his heart isn't in it. I think he wanted to try and come back, but when you have TT throwing the ball, I can see why he would just hang it up again.. I know, I know, TT fans hate this, but I've been watching football my whole life, 48 years of it, and although TT can succeed under very isolated circumstances, if teams being to bring pressure, it spells doom for his ability. Sure, he'll scramble a few times and make highlight reel type escape plays, but he's not consistent, not even close enough to being consistent for a solid reliable NFL QB. I hope I'm wrong and he brings us to the playoff promised land, but it ain't happening.. Tim- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Interesting how we havent thrown many longballs in recent weeks. Its one of Tyrod's strengths, and Percy n Goodwin are both burners, yet it seems like Lynn is more hesitant to throw deep than Roman was. Wondering if we'll start to see more of that soon, especially if Sammy comes back in good form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsman623 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Good. Harvin is a waste of a roster space. Maybe Taylor can convince Bush to retire too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 I thought this was about Harvin? sure he will retire, right after the season, not a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 With Bush and Harvin we might have been a good team 5 years ago. Once you lose a step in the NFL it's over. Too many young talented guys that are fresh to take your spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) Harvin's inability to run the right routes or know the playbook has zero to do with Tyrod. It is on Harvin. That is how he has always been. It was one of the reasons Seattle canned him. I said it when we signed him the first time - he is one of the most overrated NFL players of the last decade. Taking a shot at bringing him back did make sense given where we were I will give you that.. but it looks doomed to failure. If there is one player in his career who has proven himself the very antethesis of "all in" everywhere he has been it is Percy Harvin. We need Sammy back and if Woods misses any serious time then we need Sammy back badly. Edited November 21, 2016 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Interesting how we havent thrown many longballs in recent weeks. Its one of Tyrod's strengths, and Percy n Goodwin are both burners, yet it seems like Lynn is more hesitant to throw deep than Roman was. Wondering if we'll start to see more of that soon, especially if Sammy comes back in good form. I think Tyrod has been just inaccurate. Even yesterday. he overthrew his WRs at least a couple of times when he could have got big gains. Right now his confidence level is pretty low. The sad part is that this year the OL is actually playing pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 "feels pressure that isn't there"?? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 "feels pressure that isn't there"?? LOL What are you laughing at? TT feels phantom pressure all the time. The tackles push the rush wide and instead of simply stepping up into the pocket the OL has created TT breaks the pocket and starts running towards the sideline. He does this consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 What are you laughing at? TT feels phantom pressure all the time. The tackles push the rush wide and instead of simply stepping up into the pocket the OL has created TT breaks the pocket and starts running towards the sideline. He does this consistently. He did a few times that were very noticeable yesterday. I'm going to pick them out when I watch the all 22. It was the biggest reason for his struggles and was a direct contrast to Seattle where I thought he hung in the pocket in the most impressive way so far in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Interesting how we havent thrown many longballs in recent weeks. Its one of Tyrod's strengths, and Percy n Goodwin are both burners, yet it seems like Lynn is more hesitant to throw deep than Roman was. Wondering if we'll start to see more of that soon, especially if Sammy comes back in good form. There were several plays where TT looked like he wanted to throw deep, then reconsidered and either checked down or ran. Has me wondering if teams are taking it away from him, receivers are not getting as open as he'd like, or is he just not seeing things happen in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 With Bush and Harvin we might have been a good team 5 years ago. Once you lose a step in the NFL it's over. Too many young talented guys that are fresh to take your spot Yes, after watching the Cinci game, I agree, Harvin has lost a step or two. He is a burner only by reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 He did a few times that were very noticeable yesterday. I'm going to pick them out when I watch the all 22. It was the biggest reason for his struggles and was a direct contrast to Seattle where I thought he hung in the pocket in the most impressive way so far in his career. I mentioned in an earlier thread that Rob Johnson was outstanding in competitive moments and games.....he would often heat up at the very end of games after sleep walking for 55 minutes....... but he seemed incapable of repeating that in the far more common less-intense moments. I wondered if the bright lights and motivation to outplay Russell Wilson brought out a focus in him that Tyrod can't always summon. Yesterday was exactly what I was concerned we'd see......a somnolent outing. To me the biggest key to getting results with Tyrod...as-is...is weapons. Surround him with weapons and he will put up numbers and points regardless. Bob Woods and fresh-off-couch Percy do not represent significant weapons in the pass game but their impact increases the further they get down the target list. Need Sammy back like nobody's business. The situation is obviously not ideal but the Bills have had plenty of QB's in the past two decades that couldn't take advantage of the weaponry so at least there is that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Who would have guessed, another thread about Tyrod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) Harvin's inability to run the right routes or know the playbook has zero to do with Tyrod. It is on Harvin. We need Sammy back and if Woods misses any serious time then we need Sammy back badly. I hope Harvin can make a difference this season. Better hit the books Percy. Tyrod targeted Harvin a lot last season before week 5. Either way if Watkins comes back 100% we should be in good shape, Tate is playing well too. (getting better) I think Tyrod has been just inaccurate. Even yesterday. he overthrew his WRs at least a couple of times when he could have got big gains. Right now his confidence level is pretty low. The sad part is that this year the OL is actually playing pretty good. Im starting to think hes over throwing to make sure only the WRs can get to it bc he doesnt trust them to fight for the ball like Watkins. Example on that INT. Bad decision but AJ Green, Antonio Brown, or Dez Bryant would go up and fight for the ball or knock it out in that case. This is what were missing with Sammy out and no Woods. Goodwin is learning WR stuff he shoulda learned 2 years ago but couldnt stay on the field so I cant expect that much out of him Edited November 22, 2016 by Marty McFly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 What are you laughing at? TT feels phantom pressure all the time. The tackles push the rush wide and instead of simply stepping up into the pocket the OL has created TT breaks the pocket and starts running towards the sideline. He does this consistently. Maybe because the actual pressure is frequent enough. This hot take that he's not getting pressured is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 frequent injuries and the need for temps are why teams should have small playbooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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