The Wiz Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) Wow, the roughing call on Hughes (conveniently blacked out by CBS) was absolute rubbish. Big surprise.Better link.https://mobile.twitter.com/YardsPerPass/status/775724001851244544/video/1 Now you can't tackle a qb at the ankles either I guess. Edited September 13, 2016 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) How many 300 yard passing games did the Bills have last year? To be fair, it's not entirely Tyrod's fault. He had the 5th highest YPA in the NFL last year. On average, we threw 27 times per game with him under centre. To reach 300 yards, that would require a 11.1 YPA. The league leader was Carson Palmer at 8.7. Edited September 13, 2016 by Blokestradamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 How many 300 yard passing games did the Bills have last year? 300 yard passing games has a direct correlation to how many passes you throw in a game. TT's YPA was better in 2015 than Brees, Newton, Eli, Brady and many other above average NFL QB's. Does that mean all they do is checkdown? To be fair, it's not entirely Tyrod's fault. He had the 5th highest YPA in the NFL last year. On average, we threw 27 times per game with him under centre. To reach 300 yards, that would require a 11.1 YPA. The league leader was Carson Palmer at 8.7. You beat me to the punch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 How does TT get worse than last year? I don't get it. We've heard all the talk of the first team reps and how much he put into improving this offseason, then he looks like a rookie in his first game. I don't understand why he sucked so bad.. it's like he regressed, and not just a by a little bit. Disappointing.... but you see it happen all the time in the NFL. QBs look great for a bit, then fall off them map once defenses learn enough to start gameplaning around their tendencies. Hopefully he figures it out. simple answer? our fat-ass coaches are trying to put a square peg into a round hole let him do what he does best...roll-out, improvise, etc he's not a precise pocket-passer and he may never be, so let him do his thing...there is enough skill on this offense to score more than 7 points against the ravens if they were playing in a snowstorm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 How does TT get worse than last year? I don't get it. We've heard all the talk of the first team reps and how much he put into improving this offseason, then he looks like a rookie in his first game. I don't understand why he sucked so bad.. it's like he regressed, and not just a by a little bit. Disappointing.... but you see it happen all the time in the NFL. QBs look great for a bit, then fall off them map once defenses learn enough to start gameplaning around their tendencies. Hopefully he figures it out. Possible he was overly excited to prove something in Baltimore as the team he left...might have been trying too hard to be perfect instead of just playing...lets see what happens this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 I'm guessing he bailed to the right because he had 3 WRs on that side and only one on the left side. When you're used to only reading one half of the field, that's what happens... This was one of his major issues last season, bailing out the side/back of a clean pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 This was one of his major issues last season, bailing out the side/back of a clean pocket. That, the slow release, and the ability to see the whole field...through one game, it's not better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Possible he was overly excited to prove something in Baltimore as the team he left...might have been trying too hard to be perfect instead of just playing...lets see what happens this week i mentioned in another thread that its close to home for him.... and a whole offseason that included a new contract to be #1. its possible its as simple as thinking too much and a 4 day week will be a good thing for him to get on the field and think less. That, the slow release, and the ability to see the whole field...through one game, it's not better yup. no argument there. all off season ive been trying to remind people that we cant just assume that more snaps and experience will fix those. he has to prove he can not only get back to last year (i expect he will) but take a step forward (who knows if he will) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocephuz Posted September 13, 2016 Author Share Posted September 13, 2016 Possible he was overly excited to prove something in Baltimore as the team he left...might have been trying too hard to be perfect instead of just playing...lets see what happens this week I think that is likely. This is really the first time I've seen him look skittish in the pocket for the majority of a game and I think the enormity of the moment got to him. The one consistent thing about him last year was his calm demeanor on the field .. he never really seemed rattled last year. But he sure was rattled this Sunday. Let's hope he reverts to his old form. Playing at home should help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 I'm just pointing out how easy it is with slo-mo and an aerial view to say "look at this video and see how open this guy is"? Yes he sucked. Did you see my disclaimer at the top of my post? Having access to "I want to be a coach" film website, makes everyone a player evaluation expert. Yes, the all 22 makes it easy to see exactly what happened. That doesn't make it easy to be a good NFL QB. We don't have enough evidence at this point, but Taylor might not be one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) Better link. https://mobile.twitter.com/YardsPerPass/status/775724001851244544/video/1 Now you can't tackle a qb at the ankles either I guess. So if the QB is running away from you, toward the line of scrimmage, you can't dive for his ankles, even if that's the only way to stop him from eluding you? Asinine. There was nothing even remotely dangerous about that tackle. Edited September 13, 2016 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 DIsclaimer...TT needs to play a LOT better. In hindsight it is easy to see an open WR from an aerial view of NFL Films. You think it is that easy on the field standing behind huge OL, with equally big DL breathing down your neck, with a split second to make a decision? I bet if you look at film for every team and every play, even the best QB's don't always find the open WR. Well. no, Labatt, no one thinks it is easy. But it's something successful NFL QB have to do. If it was easy, it would be more common and easier to find truly NFL capable QB in the college ranks! Look again at the last pic in the OP's post. you'll see there is space between Glenn and 'Cog. I believe this is what Whaley was referring to when he said "Tyrod needs to find his throwing lanes; they are there". He couldn't step up into the space, but if he sidestepped, he would have a clear lane to throw to that side of the field. You're quite correct that even the best QBs don't always find the open WR and when they do, don't always throw on target - both Brees and Rodgers make 2-3 "WTF?" throws per game. But successful NFL QB need to find their guy and hit him more often than Taylor did on Sunday. simple answer? our fat-ass coaches are trying to put a square peg into a round hole let him do what he does best...roll-out, improvise, etc he's not a precise pocket-passer and he may never be, so let him do his thing...there is enough skill on this offense to score more than 7 points against the ravens if they were playing in a snowstorm QB Bills, I think (or maybe I fear) it's not that simple as pointing at our fat-ass coaches. I think the Ravens, who know him very well, made up their minds that whatever else might happen they were NOT going to let Tyrod "do what he does best". They were going to force him to stay in the pocket and beat them with passing. Now it's on tape, and every team will try it until we make them pay. How does TT get worse than last year? I don't get it. We've heard all the talk of the first team reps and how much he put into improving this offseason, then he looks like a rookie in his first game. I don't understand why he sucked so bad.. it's like he regressed, and not just a by a little bit. Disappointing.... but you see it happen all the time in the NFL. QBs look great for a bit, then fall off them map once defenses learn enough to start gameplaning around their tendencies. Hopefully he figures it out. I think this was essentially Game 3 of the preseason for Tyrod and the starting OL. Rex in his infinite wisdom decided to buck the trend of using Game 3 as a dress-rehearsal for the starters. Last year, he over-worked the starters and started the season with tons of injuries because they were running 2 fields simultaneously. This year, he over-compensated. So basically, Tyrod and the OL and the starting WR have not had any "live action" to get in sync. So they had to do it during the season, when it counted. I think it's the same thing with our RB: they weren't trusting the OL, and they were missing holes that seemed to be there (at least from what I could see on TV) But that's just my theory. Time will tell. All I can say is that as a team, we looked under-prepared and flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Where was all the angst over TT in the offseason, or is this doom and gloom all over ONE bad game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Guy on the Bench Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 I think that is likely. This is really the first time I've seen him look skittish in the pocket for the majority of a game and I think the enormity of the moment got to him. The one consistent thing about him last year was his calm demeanor on the field .. he never really seemed rattled last year. But he sure was rattled this Sunday. Let's hope he reverts to his old form. Playing at home should help. Yes. I don't understand how people can throw out everything we've seen from him for ONE game. Ludicrous. People who are commenting on things they saw last year that are continuing? Well, OK. Makes sense. But people who say he plays nervous, or only checks down - idiotic. Those are two things he absolutely did not do last year. He did look skittish this game, and it startled me and worried me a little. But it's not a trend yet, by any means. Quite the opposite. He has plenty of flaws as a QB that he needs to work on. No need to make up new ones based on one game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Where was all the angst over TT in the offseason, or is this doom and gloom all over ONE bad game? TT had some bad games last season as well. The offseason hope was that he improved on weak areas of his game that showed last season. So the concern after this one particular bad game is that the improvement wasn't apparent in critical factors of being a good NFL QB. It's a combination of this bad game and last years. He didn't look good. We'll see if he bounces back in a big way and this was just a blip, or an indicator of trouble ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 I can't help thinking of how similar Woods' route is to the one that Baltimore ran for the touchdown. Flacco hits it. TT doesn't see it and we lose. I think that is often the difference in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 I can't help thinking of how similar Woods' route is to the one that Baltimore ran for the touchdown. Flacco hits it. TT doesn't see it and we lose. I think that is often the difference in the NFL. Yeah, pretty much. Most games turn on 3 or 4 plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 He had a bad game. No doubt when you see some of those images of missed opportunities it gives pause. Let's see if it was a one-off or a trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) Give me a break with this. He first instinct is to dump it off He checked down a lot in this game. Didn't really take many deep shots at all. To be fair though, he did have someone in his face a lot. Baltimore kept sending a defensive back from the edge at him and every time, he seemed surprised by it. An unblocked defender closing fast will make you skittish. Edited September 13, 2016 by Rockinon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) I commented on this during the game when people kept posting that Roman was an idiot for not calling any deep routes. There are deep routes on almost all passing plays. Either the were always 100% covered or, much more likely, TT is missing open guys in his reads. Now there is some visual evidence. I know it's hard, but these are the plays that you have to make to be a top QB and win. Edited September 13, 2016 by vincec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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