Sisyphean Bills Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Rex's response was, in his own words, to junk the hybrid system and install more of his own system. Again in his own words, he felt that this was a turning point and that the defense started to play better and more consistently. If we take the off-season moves made, we see the Bills have invested significantly in the defense this year. So, while Rex did say the defense improved over the course of the season, we might read between the lines and understand that it wasn't anywhere near good enough for him. I think it's ironic that you mention Pettine, who ran the same defense that Ryan runs. Why was it that some players were able to run the defense under Pettine and not under Ryan? Odd that they couldn't remember the defense they ran only two seasons earlier, no? Bottom line: bring back the same old Schwartz isn't going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commish Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 This thread has been hijacked - this is a Cardale Jones thread ... just sayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 (edited) Rex's response was, in his own words, to junk the hybrid system and install more of his own system. Again in his own words, he felt that this was a turning point and that the defense started to play better and more consistently. If we take the off-season moves made, we see the Bills have invested significantly in the defense this year. So, while Rex did say the defense improved over the course of the season, we might read between the lines and understand that it wasn't anywhere near good enough for him. I think it's ironic that you mention Pettine, who ran the same defense that Ryan runs. Why was it that some players were able to run the defense under Pettine and not under Ryan? Odd that they couldn't remember the defense they ran only two seasons earlier, no? Bottom line: bring back the same old Schwartz isn't going to happen. Pettine worked under Rex but the defense he ran was somewhat different from the one Rex ran in his first year. But that isn't the point. The defense under Pettine was much more effective than it was under Rex. Explain that disparity! I'm not absolving the players of their culpability with the decline of their collective performance but there was a disconnect between the players and Rex that didn't exist between the players and Pettine and with the players and Schwartz. That's my basic point. Again, if Pettine's approach was so similar to Rex's then why did it underachieve so much last year? Bottom line: bring back the same old Schwartz isn't going to happen. Of course that Schwartz defense isn't going to be brought back. That's obvious. The reconstruction of the defense, as demonstrated by the draft, is going on full throttle in order to prop up a coach who mismanaged the players he worked with. In other words tear it down to build it back up. Instead of being down the road you go back to the starting point to begin all over again. That's not a smart way to run an operation. Edited May 23, 2016 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Is Cardale now playing defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 23, 2016 Author Share Posted May 23, 2016 Is Cardale now playing defense? He's a candidate to fill in until Shaq Lawson is back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Make the Cardale thread great again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Make the Cardale thread great again oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Make the Cardale thread great again Gotta build a wall to keep the immigrant threads out!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Cardale is another starter off the bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Cardale is another starter off the bus. I'm predicting Rex puts in 7 Gauge to run the wild cat in week 1, week 2 at the latest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 I'm predicting Rex puts in 7 Gauge to run the wild cat in week 1, week 2 at the latest. he has a mean stutter count ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 At least Rex and Whales have a QB Coach already in place and they're not relying on a rookie NFL OC to pull double duty as OC and QB position coach. And hopefully the starting QB won't slip on a wet mat and pull his ganubie forcing the rookie to be thrown into action instead of riding the pine and holding a clipboard for a couple of years. I think the Jests would have picked EJ in the second instead of Gene 0 if The Bills hadn't. JMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) At least Rex and Whales have a QB Coach already in place and they're not relying on a rookie NFL OC to pull double duty as OC and QB position coach. And hopefully the starting QB won't slip on a wet mat and pull his ganubie forcing the rookie to be thrown into action instead of riding the pine and holding a clipboard for a couple of years. I think the Jests would have picked EJ in the second instead of Gene 0 if The Bills hadn't. JMHO. no qb coach and go into the season with only 2 rookies at QB on the active roster, which stays that way until week 6 when one gets hurt. 2013, ya'll. Edited May 24, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 7, 2016 Author Share Posted June 7, 2016 @buffalobills QB Cardale Jones: SIGNED! And with that, the whole 2016 #BillsDraft class has signed: http://bufbills.co/P5wsQk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Sweet, good for him. I hope he gets some extended time in preseason. Keep TT healthy, and we already know what EJ is or isn't. Let Cardale have the snaps then he will have 12 months to digest it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 7, 2016 Author Share Posted June 7, 2016 Watch: Cardale Jones Signs Rookie Contract (2:38) Rookie quarterback Cardale Jones talks about signing his rookie deal, what he's learn from the veterans, and the progress he's made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Fast forward to late August: CJ has put up gaudy stats throwing to the 6th and 7th string wideouts in the 3rd and 4th quarters of games against future grocery baggers. TSW is all aflutter with how the Bills should cut EJ and put TT on a short leash. Watch it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 7, 2016 Author Share Posted June 7, 2016 Fast forward to late August: CJ has put up gaudy stats throwing to the 6th and 7th string wideouts in the 3rd and 4th quarters of games against future grocery baggers. TSW is all aflutter with how the Bills should cut EJ and put TT on a short leash. Watch it happen. Come on man! You know TSW is far too football savvy for that kind of discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Has anyone ever seen CJ and Byron Leftwich in the same room together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leroi Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Congrats Cardele!! Just show a little confidence and the backup position is yours. Imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Congrats Cardele!! Just show a little confidence and the backup position is yours. Imo Based on what a few of us have heard out of OTAs, he needs to show a helluva lot more than confidence. He's lost out there right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Based on what a few of us have heard out of OTAs, he needs to show a helluva lot more than confidence. He's lost out there right now Which is not really suprising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leroi Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Based on what a few of us have heard out of OTAs, he needs to show a helluva lot more than confidence. He's lost out there right now The guy is set up to over-achieve. We should all be excited for him. He is not as raw as the media is making him out to be. He is more talented than our current backup and just needs to show confidence. I will not be surprised to see him as our 2. Imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 The guy is set up to over-achieve. We should all be excited for him. He is not as raw as the media is making him out to be. He is more talented than our current backup and just needs to show confidence. I will not be surprised to see him as our 2. Imo I actually hope not. C. Jones has an excellent opportunity to be brought along really slowly and work on all those mechanical things that need coached up. Just use the year that we have with EJ Manuel as a clipboard holder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 The guy is set up to over-achieve. We should all be excited for him. He is not as raw as the media is making him out to be. He is more talented than our current backup and just needs to show confidence. I will not be surprised to see him as our 2. Imo I half agree: he's got as much physical ability as anybody; I've seen him play in person more than once. The arm talent is obvious. I actually wasn't referring to media when I referenced his performance in OTAs. There were multiple accounts from people in attendance (two from this board that PM'd me separately) that aren't media that said he's simply lost out there. Now, that's not to say that he can't eventually become the backup, but he's got a long way to go in terms of getting up to the speed of the game before picking up Roman's offense even becomes his #1 priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 I just hope D.Lee is CJ's best buddy and spends 50% of his day coaching up CJ to become the best he can be this year.Don't waste too much effort on EJ. He met his ceiling a long time ago and hit it hard enough to require the concussion protocol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 I just hope D.Lee is CJ's best buddy and spends 50% of his day coaching up CJ to become the best he can be this year.Don't waste too much effort on EJ. He met his ceiling a long time ago and hit it hard enough to require the concussion protocol. Except that given where Cardale is in the developmental process, it's quite probable that EJ will still be the first guy off the bench if Tyrod has an injury (**crosses fingers**), so EJ's going to need as much coaching as anyone. Not to mention that Tyrod is hardly a savvy vet at this point, so he'll need coaching points as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 7, 2016 Author Share Posted June 7, 2016 @JohnMurphyShow We're live with #Bills QB Cardale Jones tonight at 730pm-just signed his contract today. @CJ12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 no qb coach and go into the season with only 2 rookies at QB on the active roster, which stays that way until week 6 when one gets hurt. 2013, ya'll. Queue the Four Seasons' hit song: "That's why we call him... Moroon". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Queue the Four Seasons' hit song: "That's why we call him... Moroon". Whaley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 I actually hope not. C. Jones has an excellent opportunity to be brought along really slowly and work on all those mechanical things that need coached up. Just use the year that we have with EJ Manuel as a clipboard holder. Yes, ideally C. Jones is brought along very slowly, and the only thing EJ holds all year is the clipboard. NOT game balls! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Yes, ideally C. Jones is brought along very slowly, and the only thing EJ holds all year is the clipboard. NOT game balls! I respectfully disagree. I hope we go 14-1 and lock up home field advantage, and EJ gets the start in the meaningless finale against the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 I respectfully disagree. I hope we go 14-1 and lock up home field advantage, and EJ gets the start in the meaningless finale against the Jets. This is my kinda fun ! nice plot twist Hondo. Jones is likely in good hands with a sound plan. No Seriously ! I dont mind EJM backing up this year. Who knows maybe Fitz will still be available mid season if things get ugly. But let Jones get raised right. If he gets his footing sooner then later ? Great. but right now he is just calling the plays in. basic as it gets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 I respectfully disagree. I hope we go 14-1 and lock up home field advantage, and EJ gets the start in the meaningless finale against the Jets. Oh, your version wins! I guess that kind of optimism has been beaten out of me. But I love a good delusion as much as the next guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 I respectfully disagree. I hope we go 14-1 and lock up home field advantage, and EJ gets the start in the meaningless finale against the Jets. Oh, your version wins! I guess that kind of optimism has been beaten out of me. But I love a good delusion as much as the next guy! I love you both. You're making me feel all....Hopeful. (but you're still not getting my Bud lite) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 I love you both. You're making me feel all....Hopeful. (but you're still not getting my Bud lite) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Didn't see where anyone mentioned he signed his contract. All in the fold now. http://www.buffalobills.com/video/videos/Watch-Cardale-Jones-Signs-Rookie-Contract/584563b1-58dd-4800-b85b-24d2acc87018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 8, 2016 Author Share Posted June 8, 2016 @JohnMurphyShow We're live with #Bills QB Cardale Jones tonight at 730pm-just signed his contract today. @CJ12 CARDALE JONES: "I HAVE TO PROVE MYSELF" (12:10) Bills fourth round selection, QB Cardale Jones called in to The John Murphy Show to talk about signing his rookie contract, his work so far during the offseason program, and his goal to develop into an NFL quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 If he is ever going to develop into something on the NFL level, he is a great situation for that. No pressure and can learn from coaches who aren't coming from a mediocre college program. What a time to be alive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 9, 2016 Author Share Posted June 9, 2016 CARDALE JONES: "FOCUS IS GETTING THE OFFENSE DOWN" (5:50) Bills QB Cardale Jones talks about his first few weeks in OTAs developing his game, his relationship with the other quarterbacks on the roster, connecting with the receiver group, and the recent birth of his son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts