BarleyNY Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Do you genuinely NOT know what the word "Proof" means? It means indisputable evidence. He said conjecture is NOT proof. Ever. Look, a bunch of non-lawyers arguing about legal definitions. Here is this: Proof: The conviction or persuasion of the mind of a judge or jury, by the exhibition of evidence, of the reality of a fact alleged: as, to prove, is to determine or persuade that a thing does or does not exist. http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/p184.htm So it would actually be a jury that would decide whether or not the evidence of testimony would constitute proof in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey D Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) Isn't it in the vast majority of cases? Yes. Any witness testimony is evidence/proof. Jury takes all the evidence and decides what it thinks happened, and applying those facts reaches a verdict based on the law. If the two off duty policemen testify that basically they were assaulted without provocation, that is sufficient evidence to convict if the jury believes them (beyond a reasonable doubt of course, which is a high standard). You don't need videotape or corroboration to convict, although if I was prosecuting the case it would be nice to have. Of course if McCoy et al. testify that the cops spit in their face and that provoked what happened, that is evidence too. The jury decides what is true and not true. At this point, there is very little here to illuminate who was at fault or what happened. It is all conjecture. I mean the cops have incentives to lie, e.g. not getting fired. Edited February 8, 2016 by Casey D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l< j Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 How about morning sex for starters? Come on, I hardly know you. kj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey D Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Look, a bunch of non-lawyers arguing about legal definitions. Here is this: Proof: The conviction or persuasion of the mind of a judge or jury, by the exhibition of evidence, of the reality of a fact alleged: as, to prove, is to determine or persuade that a thing does or does not exist. http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/p184.htm So it would actually be a jury that would decide whether or not the evidence of testimony would constitute proof in this case. It's proof. The question is whether it is compelling/convincing proof, or something on which the jury calls BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I just love how people are ripping McCoy without knowing all the facts involved. Way to jump to conclusions... Guilty until proven innocent I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I bought my kid a McCoy shirt Saturday afternoon. Sorry, everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Shady sounds shady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I bought my kid a McCoy shirt Saturday afternoon. Sorry, everyone. My son bought me one for christmas......and I am wearing the damn thing I dont care what anyone says! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 When he disrespected the waitress by leaving no tip I think he showed his real colors. Why the Bill's want a guy like that is beyond me. I would rather loose than win with with dead beats like that. Real men do not get into bar fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Come on now...even the lowest-wage folk can scrap together $200 for a good bottle $200? More like $2k. Bottles in Vegas ultra lounges start at like a grand. Was scared to get off my flight, thought they would have found the bloody trident by now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Let's be honest- his talent level is off the charts but he doesn't want to be here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I amazed how this board takes bits of disjointed information and runs with it- Holy Cow can we wait until a report is issued? dont worry we do this with EVERYTHING. We got it down!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Why does it matter what job each of the subjects in this issue is? If the "fight" was between four construction guys and some NFL players would the headline state that? My point is, it was off duty cops, what should that escalate the severity of a bar fight beyond, well, a bar fight? And of course, the implication is even great since once was a sergeant. Hang em all. Wait, what were four cops doing out that late, only hoodlums and hooligans prowl after midnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Ironic that people go to places like this to to avoid issues yet still wind up finding issues. Alcohol is a hell of a drug... so are drugs.. and stuffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 http://www.phillymag.com/citified/2015/10/15/police-commissioner-charles-ramsey-corruption/probably doesn't have anything to do with this incident but wth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 and Lynch has lots of money and didn't have to sneak his own bottle into a club, or take $20 from a woman at a restaurant...... I don't get why people are even waiting for a police report to come out, it's not like they will believe it anyway because they will just brush whatever is in it off as cops protecting cops Just like every cop is a criminal....... all the sinners ..saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 When he disrespected the waitress by leaving no tip I think he showed his real colors. Why the Bill's want a guy like that is beyond me. I would rather loose than win with with dead beats like that. Real men do not get into bar fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 There is a difference between testimonial evidence and real evidence (physical evidence). It's kind of disheartening to see you bring your typical know-it-all attitude even in situations where you are a novice. It kind of taints our previous discussions to be honest. I would suggest reading up a bit on investigative/pre-interrogation justice policy before jumping in trying to explain to people that the police said McCoy did it. We don't have any additional eye witness testimony because at no point did these off-duty officers find it prudent to alert the authorities and get some actual reports going. They chose (not by accident, mind you), to wait to do it. They know full well what they're doing and if you look at enough cases this becomes shockingly transparent. This is big, and exactly why I think the Philly PD are making a mockery of our justice system going after someone like McCoy through the media. If you think I'm acting like a know-it-all here, you haven't read me enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 If you think I'm acting like a know-it-all here, you haven't read me enough. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 @WGRZ Update from @PhillyPolice: no arrest warrants issued in the investigation involving #Bills RB LeSean McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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