What a Tuel Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 (edited) There's absolutely no way you know. Mario Williams Pre Bye Week 7 games 10 tackles 3 assists 3 sacks 3 STF Post Bye Week 7 games 3 tackles 1 assist 1 sack 0 STF (edited to include today's game - shut out again if I am not mistaken) I am clearly not an expert, nor claiming to be, but he certainly doesn't look the same, and he is clearly not getting off 1on1 blocks. Edited December 27, 2015 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I tried to "isolate" on Mario today with the Bills on D (as best I could with the regular network game feed ... the All 22 will tell the full story later this week). He is still dropping into coverage a significant portion of the time. I don't know why I thought it, but somehow I had thought that Rex might've just unleashed him, a kind of "Mario, you want to be free to roam, show me what you can do." But no. Rex is too stubborn for that. Or maybe too afraid of what would happen? But Mario's critics also have a point - even when he was rushing it was mostly half-assed rushing. Not maximum effort, to the whistle ...prior to today, he had dropped back 21 times out of 795 snaps all season. That's not a lot at all and hardly worth the hype. I saw others say he dropped back a lot today - Rex probably pissed at him? However, I am sure you saw the plays when he was only asked to rush the passer and couldn't beat the TIGHT END blocking him 1:1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000452986/article/2014-allpro-teams-analysis-of-the-full-rosters All pros magically just got bad! Save your outrage for a player who tries. prior to today, he had dropped back 21 times out of 795 snaps all season. That's not a lot at all and hardly worth the hype. I saw others say he dropped back a lot today - Rex probably pissed at him? However, I am sure you saw the plays when he was only asked to rush the passer and couldn't beat the TIGHT END blocking him 1:1. Facts! Thanks, man. I tried to "isolate" on Mario today with the Bills on D (as best I could with the regular network game feed ... the All 22 will tell the full story later this week). He is still dropping into coverage a significant portion of the time. I don't know why I thought it, but somehow I had thought that Rex might've just unleashed him, a kind of "Mario, you want to be free to roam, show me what you can do." But no. Rex is too stubborn for that. Or maybe too afraid of what would happen? But Mario's critics also have a point - even when he was rushing it was mostly half-assed rushing. Not maximum effort, to the whistle ... He dropped into coverage just once vs. the Skins, and it was the right call -- it broke up a screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 The Hoody*** and some others would have cut him weeks ago. That is what well run ( although cheating) franchises do. if anyone watched him today, he barely went through the motions except a play or two. jarius Wynn No a well run organisation/coaching staff wouldn't be forcing their system down players throats when it won't work, they play to their players strengths. BB and the Pats use their players to their strengths and adapt to the players they have. Rex tries to make square pegs fit into round holes, and when it doesn't work,he just keeps trying.... Mario Williams Pre Bye Week 7 games 10 tackles 3 assists 3 sacks 3 STF Post Bye Week 7 games 3 tackles 1 assist 1 sack 0 STF (edited to include today's game - shut out again if I am not mistaken) I am clearly not an expert, nor claiming to be, but he certainly doesn't look the same, and he is clearly not getting off 1on1 blocks. isn't this exactly what happened leading to him becoming a FA from the Texans? They tried to fit him out of his natural position and he looked bad and didn't play hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Mario Williams Pre Bye Week 7 games 10 tackles 3 assists 3 sacks 3 STF Post Bye Week 7 games 3 tackles 1 assist 1 sack 0 STF (edited to include today's game - shut out again if I am not mistaken) I am clearly not an expert, nor claiming to be, but he certainly doesn't look the same, and he is clearly not getting off 1on1 blocks. Yep - that backs up what my eyes told me. Until Wembley he was trying despite disagreeing with his usage. He checked out at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 No a well run organisation/coaching staff wouldn't be forcing their system down players throats when it won't work, they play to their players strengths. BB and the Pats use their players to their strengths and adapt to the players they have. Rex tries to make square pegs fit into round holes, and when it doesn't work,he just keeps trying.... Bill also has no problem sitting people who don't buy into his system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I would. He's giving no effort. Bench him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 He quit on his team. Cut him. Save the cap money for his replacement plus an OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 No a well run organisation/coaching staff wouldn't be forcing their system down players throats when it won't work, they play to their players strengths. BB and the Pats use their players to their strengths and adapt to the players they have. Rex tries to make square pegs fit into round holes, and when it doesn't work,he just keeps trying....isn't this exactly what happened leading to him becoming a FA from the Texans? They tried to fit him out of his natural position and he looked bad and didn't play hard So what you're saying is he is a quitter? unless everyone coaches him by his rules? I don't think it works that way. But Mario is special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 All four of our D lineman were on that all pro list from last season. ALL FOUR. Now they are all a bunch of bums. All of them (I know KW is hurt) Hughes is te best but he is barely above average. And it's very evident he is trying his heart out. Hughes is a great example of using a aterrible their strengths. He stunk in Indy became an all pro in B-lo now he is average. Schem scheme scheme. All o these all pros suck now. I know Mario has given up but he sucked before he have up too. The bills roster is like an F1 race car is 1200 horsepower ..... Being entered into a demo derby- while a F1 race at would win most any race on pavement, it's not going to survive a demo derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 isn't this exactly what happened leading to him becoming a FA from the Texans? They tried to fit him out of his natural position and he looked bad and didn't play hard His last 6 games with the Texans he had 10 tackles 1 assist 5 sacks and 0 STF. That is more like the first half of this season than the second half where he isn't trying. Not really a fair comparison though because he is 4 years older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 When a player so obviously quits on his teammates, coaches, and fans, you simply can't blame the scheme. Scheme has NOTHING to do with beating the man in front of you, regardless. Ryan deserves criticism for not being able to best maximize talent with scheme, but he can't coach character. Nobody can. As I said in another thread, Mario was the best player on this team his first three years here, but he quit and that is unprofessional on EVERY level. And if I am a team thinking about signing him, I gotta think twice now. The film doesn't lie and quitting is now on Mario's resume. Time for him to go. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Mario Williams Pre Bye Week 7 games 10 tackles 3 assists 3 sacks 3 STF Post Bye Week 7 games 3 tackles 1 assist 1 sack 0 STF (edited to include today's game - shut out again if I am not mistaken) I am clearly not an expert, nor claiming to be, but he certainly doesn't look the same, and he is clearly not getting off 1on1 blocks. Obviously somethings not right. I see him trying - as has been talked about ad nauseum he locks horns with the o lineman and that's it. So it's either he's pouting or he's being asked to do that. For you to say he has quit and your eyes aren't wrong - I'm saying you can't know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) The Hoody*** and some others would have cut him weeks ago. That is what well run ( although cheating) franchises do. No. The Hoody and a well run team would say "Mario, get after the QB" and he would be in the Pro Bowl Edited December 28, 2015 by MarkyMannn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 this breakup is like a bad Boyz II Men music video from the early 90s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I have defended Mario since the media started bitching and moaning about his fridge and would not give him a break at all when he had a broken hand. Having said that: (1) Is anyone willing to bet the millions of dollars that we would have to pay him next year (without a pay cut or cutting him) that he has not or will not mail it in -- especially when we can spend that money on others like Cordy Glenn who came back to the team after losing a kidney? (2) Pretty much anyone on this board could replicate Mario's production this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I have defended Mario since the media started bitching and moaning about his fridge and would not give him a break at all when he had a broken hand. Having said that: (1) Is anyone willing to bet the millions of dollars that we would have to pay him next year (without a pay cut or cutting him) that he has not or will not mail it in -- especially when we can spend that money on others like Cordy Glenn who came back to the team after losing a kidney? (2) Pretty much anyone on this board could replicate Mario's production this year. I understand the kidney thing and all and like an underdog as much as the next guy. Anyone find a site where Glenn is at least in the top half of all LT's. Like 16th or better. Still to loose him with the other issue the OL has would be tough to resolve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 No a well run organisation/coaching staff wouldn't be forcing their system down players throats when it won't work, they play to their players strengths. BB and the Pats use their players to their strengths and adapt to the players they have. Rex tries to make square pegs fit into round holes, and when it doesn't work,he just keeps trying.... isn't this exactly what happened leading to him becoming a FA from the Texans? They tried to fit him out of his natural position and he looked bad and didn't play hard Under wade he averaged a sack a game prior to injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 When a player so obviously quits on his teammates, coaches, and fans, you simply can't blame the scheme. Scheme has NOTHING to do with beating the man in front of you, regardless. Ryan deserves criticism for not being able to best maximize talent with scheme, but he can't coach character. Nobody can. This pretty much sums it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 @SalSports Mario Williams played 54 snaps (92%) for Bills yesterday. He didn't record a single assisted tackle, QB hurry, etc. Not on stat sheet at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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