BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 First things first: I'm not comparing the players now, and I'm not saying that Tyrod will definitely develop into a franchise QB, let alone a top 5 QB. However, there are people who think Tyrod has had maybe 2 good games and that have complained about his performance thus far. I have compiled the stats from the first 5 games of another QB who had time to sit before starting. Let's let the season play out and see what we have. QB = Aaron Rodgers CMP ATT YDS YPA TD INT RSH YDS YPC TD W/L 18 26 201 7.73 1 0 5 30 6.0 0 L 18 22 178 8.09 1 0 8 35 4.4 1 W 24 38 328 8.63 3 0 4 25 6.25 0 W 22 39 290 7.44 0 0 5 10 2.0 1 L 14 27 165 6.11 2 3 2 8 4.0 0 L----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 96 152 1162 7.64 7 3 24 108 4.5 2 2-3 QB = Tyrod Taylor CMP ATT YDS YPA TD INT RSH YDS YPC TD W/L 14 19 195 10.26 1 0 9 41 4.6 0 W 23 30 242 8.07 3 3 5 43 8.6 1 L 21 29 277 9.55 3 0 3 12 4.0 0 W 28 42 274 6.52 1 1 6 15 2.5 0 L 10 17 109 6.41 1 0 8 76 9.5 1 W----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 96 137 1097 8.01 9 4 31 187 6.0 2 3-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) 5 games in and that is proof? I support TT fully, but 5 games in by no means any proof. Look at RGIII for example. Light out his rookie season. Then what happened example # 2 Kapernick example #3 Sanchez -- 2 CCG's you can't argue that much. Edited October 27, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) I miss you TT. Please come back soon. Edited October 27, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 5 games in and that is proof? I support TT fully, but 5 games in by no means any proof. Look at RGIII for example. Light out his rookie season. Then what happened example # 2 Kapernick example #3 Sanchez -- 2 CCG's you can't argue that much. Proof of what? All I said is that his stats warrant more opportunities. First things first: I'm not comparing the players now, and I'm not saying that Tyrod will definitely develop into a franchise QB, let alone a top 5 QB. However, there are people who think Tyrod has had maybe 2 good games and that have complained about his performance thus far. I have compiled the stats from the first 5 games of another QB who had time to sit before starting. Let's let the season play out and see what we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 BuffaloHokie13, I admire your optimism. I try to have that too. I'm behind TT and hope his career does take off here. It better soon because there is no shortage of "fans" who will savage him and his reputation if it doesn't. Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Proof of what? All I said is that his stats warrant more opportunities. OK, but is there some outcry that TT hasn't warranted more opportunities? I think most fans can't wait for TT to return so they don't have to watch EJM anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 BuffaloHokie13, I admire your optimism. I try to have that too. I'm behind TT and hope his career does take off here. It better soon because there is no shortage of "fans" who will savage him and his reputation if it doesn't. Go Bills! I really don't think he'll ever be Aaron Rodgers, but I'd like to find out what he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 We went through this with EJ (and still do to an extent) It's much too early to get into comparisons... he's 3-2, has had a couple good games, a couple games where he struggled, it'll take a long time to truly figure out if we have something, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Me too and I hope it's good... real good. I really don't think he'll ever be Aaron Rodgers, but I'd like to find out what he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 OK, but is there some outcry that TT hasn't warranted more opportunities? I think most fans can't wait for TT to return so they don't have to watch EJM anymore. IDK why, but there are folks who think EJ should finish out the year. There are folks who think we need to bring in Ryan Mallett. There are folks who think that Tyrod has reached his 'ceiling'. There are folks to who think the NFL figured him out after 2 games. And there are folks who think that Tyrod should be some perfectly polished product because he held a clipboard for Flacco for 4 years. In the end, he hasn't been nearly as bad as some seem to think, and he needs to play out the season. We went through this with EJ (and still do to an extent) It's much too early to get into comparisons... he's 3-2, has had a couple good games, a couple games where he struggled, it'll take a long time to truly figure out if we have something, imo. I'm with you. This was more a response to people saying his time holding a clipboard should have slowed down the game for him and made him a polished product like the comparison was when he finally started. Here's hoping we give it some time and make a proper assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallskiWallski83 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Tyrod Taylor is the only reason why I still have hope for this season. Somehow, someway, he's going to find a way to get this team into the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I really don't think he'll ever be Aaron Rodgers, but I'd like to find out what he is he could end up great, or you could find a dumpster fire that started his first 5 games well.... all this really says is you like him a lot, and who knows what his future is. we all kind of knew both those things already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 5 games in and that is proof? I support TT fully, but 5 games in by no means any proof. Look at RGIII for example. Light out his rookie season. Then what happened example # 2 Kapernick example #3 Sanchez -- 2 CCG's you can't argue that much. The analogy to RGIII is nonsensical. Mike Shanahan got Griffin "killed" and the following season started him without his participating fully in training camp and not playing in any exhibitions, which led to him getting injured again early on. Griffin has never been the same since Shanahan ruined him. That's a big difference between a healthy, young player and a significantly limited player following serious injuries. Also, when Griffin returned, they attempted to totally change his game, which he had difficulty adapting to. So it's apples and oranges. Why are so many now dumping on Taylor? We wouldn't have three wins if it wasn't for him. He's played exceptionally well for someone who never started previously. It therefore must be the ecstasy with EJ. Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 he could end up great, or you could find a dumpster fire that started his first 5 games well.... all this really says is you like him a lot, and who knows what his future is. we all kind of knew both those things already. I accept and endorse this assessment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 OK, but is there some outcry that TT hasn't warranted more opportunities? I think most fans can't wait for TT to return so they don't have to watch EJM anymore. Search Gug or TakeittoTasker's posts and you will understand why this is being posted I personally dont like post Tyrod's numbers to a future hall of famer - His work to date does not warrant that and - it is not fair to compare the two players....at this point in their careers Aaron Rogers is clearly the better player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOVABillsFan Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) The analogy to RGIII is nonsensical. Mike Shanahan got Griffin "killed" and the following season started him without his participating fully in training camp and not playing in any exhibitions, which led to him getting injured again early on. Griffin has never been the same since Shanahan ruined him. That's a big difference between a healthy, young player and a significantly limited player following serious injuries. Also, when Griffin returned, they attempted to totally change his game, which he had difficulty adapting to. So it's apples and oranges. Why are so many now dumping on Taylor? We wouldn't have three wins if it wasn't for him. He's played exceptionally well for someone who never started previously. It therefore must be the ecstasy with EJ. Good luck with that. If I might chime in Was Shanahan a QB killer or RG a coach killer? A couple of items to ponder - Where is Shanahan this season and why is RGIII 3rd string? Who tried to make RGIII a pocket passer when he is a running QB? IIRC (and I may be wrong here) that is what RGIII and his dad wanted for him. To not run so much and pass from the pocket. Edited October 27, 2015 by NOVABillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 First things first: I'm not comparing the players now, and I'm not saying that Tyrod will definitely develop into a franchise QB, let alone a top 5 QB. However, there are people who think Tyrod has had maybe 2 good games and that have complained about his performance thus far. I have compiled the stats from the first 5 games of another QB who had time to sit before starting. Let's let the season play out and see what we have. QB = Aaron Rodgers CMP ATT YDS YPA TD INT RSH YDS YPC TD W/L 18 26 201 7.73 1 0 5 30 6.0 0 L 18 22 178 8.09 1 0 8 35 4.4 1 W 24 38 328 8.63 3 0 4 25 6.25 0 W 22 39 290 7.44 0 0 5 10 2.0 1 L 14 27 165 6.11 2 3 2 8 4.0 0 L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 96 152 1162 7.64 7 3 24 108 4.5 2 2-3 QB = Tyrod Taylor CMP ATT YDS YPA TD INT RSH YDS YPC TD W/L 14 19 195 10.26 1 0 9 41 4.6 0 W 23 30 242 8.07 3 3 5 43 8.6 1 L 21 29 277 9.55 3 0 3 12 4.0 0 W 28 42 274 6.52 1 1 6 15 2.5 0 L 10 17 109 6.41 1 0 8 76 9.5 1 W ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 96 137 1097 8.01 9 4 31 187 6.0 2 3-2 One thing I like about TT is that none of his INTs have been on bad reads or instances in which he stared down a receiver. Two were high (NE), one was an inaccurate desperation heave before the half (NE), and one was a good throw in which the DB made a great, great play (NYG; Clay could have come down with it himself, actually). He's a much different player than Manuel in that respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) Rex is holding midnight vigils for TT's knee per #sources Edited October 27, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 He needs to get back on the field. I was afraid we'd lose to Jax, but didn't actually think we would. Holy crap. Tyrod, please come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Rex is holding midnight vigils for TT's knee per #sources Ha. If he's a religious man, he probably is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 My Tyrod, my Tyrod. Why hast thou forsaken me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoverbills Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Remember how good Ryan Fitzpatrick look in beginning of 2011. First five games 4 wins and 1 lost. 10 tds and 4 int. just 1 fumble and only sacked 3 times. One of those wins were against NE. I thought we got our QB. Look how that year finished. By the way Taylor did start one game with the Ravens in 2012. He lost to the Bengals in the final game of the year. Got in seven games that year. He played in 11 games total at Baltimore, mainly as a runner. Used him to run for first downs. Did get some time on the playing field before he came here. I know its not a lot , but it wasn't just sitting on the bench. Harbaugh had him in the game plan during season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 OK, but is there some outcry that TT hasn't warranted more opportunities? I think most fans can't wait for TT to return so they don't have to watch EJM anymore. Well there's been a lot of talk about drafting QB's and tanking for 2016 and not taking Carr and Bridgewater etc. I'm extremely pumped about TT and don't know why any other Bills fan wouldn't be. He's shown he can make all the throws in and out of the pocket, is a true leader, has that X factor, can put the team on his back, and has been great at every level he's ever played. Whatever you think he is now, the more experience he gets, the better he will get imo. Obviously he needs to improve in certain areas and I'm sure he knows this and will work to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 28, 2015 Author Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) Remember how good Ryan Fitzpatrick look in beginning of 2011. First five games 4 wins and 1 lost. 10 tds and 4 int. just 1 fumble and only sacked 3 times. One of those wins were against NE. I thought we got our QB. Look how that year finished. By the way Taylor did start one game with the Ravens in 2012. He lost to the Bengals in the final game of the year. Got in seven games that year. He played in 11 games total at Baltimore, mainly as a runner. Used him to run for first downs. Did get some time on the playing field before he came here. I know its not a lot , but it wasn't just sitting on the bench. Harbaugh had him in the game plan during season. Flacco played the first 2 series of that game. After those series they pulled Ray Rice and Torrey Smith, along with Flacco. Edited October 28, 2015 by BuffaloHokie13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 ; Remember how good Ryan Fitzpatrick look in beginning of 2011. First five games 4 wins and 1 lost. 10 tds and 4 int. just 1 fumble and only sacked 3 times. One of those wins were against NE. I thought we got our QB. Look how that year finished. By the way Taylor did start one game with the Ravens in 2012. He lost to the Bengals in the final game of the year. Got in seven games that year. He played in 11 games total at Baltimore, mainly as a runner. Used him to run for first downs. Did get some time on the playing field before he came here. I know its not a lot , but it wasn't just sitting on the bench. Harbaugh had him in the game plan during season. Not as the starting QB.....which is just a whole other animal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Hey, I love the guy so far. Just not in the first half of some games. Great escape-ability, and has a strong arm with decent accuracy. The entire problem is...where is now, and why did he miss two games? Running QB's don't last long in this league, and are often injured. I think RG3 is a perfect example of what happens to a running QB who suffers severe leg injuries, and what happens after. RG3 developed something other NFL players call the "yips", and he just gets so rattled that he can no longer focus as a starting NFL QB. Looks like something similar is happening to Colin Kaepernick too. Is he the answer at QB for Buffalo? Kinda way to early to tell just yet. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOVABillsFan Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) I like Taylor so far. When he can help crush the Pats and score at least 2 maybe 3 TD's a game week after week and get the Bills to a 4+ game win streak then I will love him. Edited October 28, 2015 by NOVABillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dascottbills28 Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I just hope he is able to play against Miami. No way we can beat the Fins and Jets with Manuel at the helm. He better rest up the rest of this week and next week to make sure hes ready to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOVABillsFan Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) I just hope he is able to play against Miami. No way we can beat the Fins and Jets with Manuel at the helm. He better rest up the rest of this week and next week to make sure hes ready to go! I believe EJ defeated the Fish and JETS in the past. What rational do you have that he can't do it again? Please do not answer with because he sucks. just checked to make sure I remembered correctly. 2014 season MIA 10 @ BUF 29 2013 season NYJ 14 @ BUF 37 Edited October 28, 2015 by NOVABillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dascottbills28 Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I believe EJ defeated the Fish and JETS in the past. What rational do you have that he can't do it again? Please do not answer with because he sucks. just checked to make sure I remembered correctly. 2014 season MIA 10 @ BUF 29 2013 season NYJ 14 @ BUF 37 He has regressed since last year, he just lost to the Jags because of his own terrible mistakes, and both of those teams are better than they were last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 He has regressed since last year, he just lost to the Jags because of his own terrible mistakes, and both of those teams are better than they were last year Cannot go by previous years scores....we need our best QB playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) He has regressed since last year, he just lost to the Jags because of his own terrible mistakes, and both of those teams are better than they were last year let us agree to disagree. EJ's 4 TD's & 3 INT's in 2 games (Andrew Luck type numbers) which were twice as many points than Taylor in his last 2 games. By your rationale I could say that Taylor regressed after his first 3 games. Week 1 - 27 points - Taylor good Week 2 - 32 points - Taylor horrible game until the 4th QTR Week 3 - 41 points - Taylor Week 4 - 10 points - Taylor not so great Week 5 - 14 points - Taylor not so great Week 6 - 21 points - All EJ does is suck Week 7 - 24 points (31 w/pick 6) - All EJ does is suck Edited October 28, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 let us agree to disagree. EJ's 4 TD's & 3 INT's in 2 games (Andrew Luck type numbers) were twice as many points than Taylor in his last 2 games. By your rationale I could say that Taylor regressed after his first 3 games. Are you also NOVABillsFan? Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Are you also NOVABillsFan? Just curious. Hmmmm, very, very interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 IDK why, but there are folks who think EJ should finish out the year. There are folks who think we need to bring in Ryan Mallett. There are folks who think that Tyrod has reached his 'ceiling'. There are folks to who think the NFL figured him out after 2 games. And there are folks who think that Tyrod should be some perfectly polished product because he held a clipboard for Flacco for 4 years. In the end, he hasn't been nearly as bad as some seem to think, and he needs to play out the season. I'm with you. This was more a response to people saying his time holding a clipboard should have slowed down the game for him and made him a polished product like the comparison was when he finally started. Here's hoping we give it some time and make a proper assessment. I am perfectly content with the way TT has played this year & I am excited to see how he finishes the season. I don't ever want to see manuel under center in a meaningful game for the Bills again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I believe EJ defeated the Fish and JETS in the past. What rational do you have that he can't do it again? Please do not answer with because he sucks. just checked to make sure I remembered correctly. 2014 season MIA 10 @ BUF 29 2013 season NYJ 14 @ BUF 37 yep. he sure did. i dont care who starts. But who ever does better win. and the team had better play as hard and smart as they can. I am Tyrod fan and an EJM fan. put them both on the field ala ravens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 If I might chime in Was Shanahan a QB killer or RG a coach killer? A couple of items to ponder - Where is Shanahan this season and why is RGIII 3rd string? Who tried to make RGIII a pocket passer when he is a running QB? IIRC (and I may be wrong here) that is what RGIII and his dad wanted for him. To not run so much and pass from the pocket. Shanahan was not a good coach. Denver certainly determined that once the guy who made Shanahan a name, John Elway, retired. MS had no business taking a badly injured Griffin, playing on literally one leg, and feeding him to the dogs. He was getting blasted in that game all because Shannie badly needed a win, at all costs. And when Griffin finally went down it, it was basically gross negligence personified. RGIII is third string because the Redskins will undoubtedly attempt to trade him after this season or cut him. He's due a big bonus, which they are not about to pay but will be forced to pay it if he plays and gets injured. That's why he's not playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Rex is holding midnight vigils for TT's knee per #sources He is praying to the Goddess of the Feet to touch Tyrod's MCL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 28, 2015 Author Share Posted October 28, 2015 He is praying to the Goddess of the Feet to touch Tyrod's MCL. That's just his wife in a Sanchez Jets jersey, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) Are you also NOVABillsFan? Just curious. What can I say. Great minds think alike. Granted the Bills lost, but you are complaining that the backup QB is scoring over 2 TD's in each of his last 2 games. Edited October 28, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts