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His first game in college was similar and he still had a productive college career. You guys give up to early on QBs. Some QBs take longer to develop than others. You know Troy Aikmans first year in the pros, Dallas only won one game that year and that game Aikman didn't even play. He was 0 for 11 as a starter that year and had only 9 tds and 18 int. And second year wasn't much better 11 tds and 18 int. I not saying Petterson is Aikman, but if Aikman was in Buffalo his rookie year , you guys would be calling him a bust and there would be a thousand replies on why we should be getting rid of him. What I'm trying to say you can't judge a guy after one or two games. I don't care if he is first rd or 5th rd. You got give him longer time. Maybe he works out or maybe he won't. We got Allen know and maybe he starts out like Aikman . If he does, I hope you'll give him more time to develope before your ready to kick him to the curve.

Qb. --- Jim Kelly joe Ferguson Jack Kemp RB. --- O.J Thurman Thomas Cookie McCoy FB. --- Jim Braxton Wr. ---- Andre Reed Eric Moulds Bob Chandler Lee Evans TE. --- Pete Metzelaars Jay Riemersma OT. --- Will Wolford Jason Peters Joe Devlin Howard Ballard OG. --- Joe DeLamielleure Billy Shaw Ruben Brown Reggie McKenzie OC. --- Kent Hull All Bemiller DT. --- Tom Sestak Fred Smerlas Ted Washington Kyle Williams DE. --- Bruce Smith Ron McDole Aaron Schobel Sherman White MLB. --- Mike Stratten Jim Haslett Shane Conlan OLB. --- Cornelius Bennett Darryl Talley Luscious Stanford Spikes Safety. --- George Saimes Henry Jones Tony Greene Jarious Byrd CB. --- Butch Byrd Robert James Nate Odomes Nate Clements. Punter.--- Brian Noorman Kicker. --- Brian Lindell

I wonder if TT came to the bills right out of college . In the same situation as EJ with no QB coach and no veteran QB to talk to. And EJ got drafted by the Ravens and got to sit a couple years behind Flacco and learn from Kubiak. I wonder if TT would still be in the nfl right know. McCoy wasn't here EJ first two years. TT might had to throw the ball more.

looking at stats from E.J. last year when we were behind both games againts Bengals and Jacksonville . When behind 99.9 qb rating 69.2% com pct. 8.1 yards per att. This year when Taylor was behind 86.1 qb rating. 61.6 com. pct. 7.5 yds per att. When behind by 9-16 pts Taylor 63.7 com. pct . 7.4 yds att. And E.J. 66.7 com pct. 7.3 yds att. One guy has 16 starts and the other has 26 starts. 16 starts for a qb is not a lot of starts. He still can get better. 26 starts you have a better idea of what you have. Everybody talks about E.J. games againts Giants and Jacksonville. Both games were close. Yes he played bad againts Jacksonville in the beginning . But didn't let it get him down, he kept slinging it, Wasn't scared to throw the ball like I see Taylor looked. 16 starts compare to 26 starts one had most of his starts in first two years in the NFL and the other 5 years sitting and learning in the NFL. Both raw coming out of college. I would think a QB sitting for 5 years before he gets to start would be better than somebody just coming out of college. Both being raw that is.

yes he is a gamer. I think he is. He showed me that in the game overseas. That game we were behind because of him, But he didn't get down on himself. He played good enough in the end to win that game. Took chances and threw down field. I know you are going to say well if he played better in the beginning ,we wouldn't been in that place begin with and you would be right. We came back and and the defense brought us the go ahead T.d. But if McCoy didn't fumble trying to score at the one in the second half, witch was a throw from E.J that would've won that game. You can't be mad at McCoy because he tried to score and it happen . That score could've won that game,Defense scored would,ve gave us two TD lead. Like Rivers yesterday threw 3 int. and still slinging down field. SD almost won there game. Our starting QB know checks down on third down if he can;t run for it, and then we fall behind on three and outs and tires our defense out . Hes not turning the ball over, but were not scoring either.

Taylor has a 58.7% com. this year. and a 6.4 ave per att. Td% is at 3.9%. All below last years mark. All below EJ career marks , Witch by the way EJ only has 16 starts. Shouldn't Taylor be getting better the more games he plays instead of the other way around.He has more starts than EJ.and is getting worse. Taylor had 9 fumbles last year on 14 starts. Ej has 10 fumbles on 16 starts. Ej has more int, but that is because he is more of a gamer than Taylor . If Taylor needs 24 yards on third down and he can't get with his legs, he will check down instead of taking a chance down field . Rivers has 6 fumbles already this year. He had Three int. Sunday. That s because to win games when your behind, you got to throw down field. Take chances and trust your arm. If you check down you are not going to win. Yes it makes your stats look good because your playing it safe. But your not winning games that way. Thats why we lead the league in 3 and outs.

This year TT has a 60.4 comp% and 6.8 avg. Not to much better than EJ. career. Sounds like inaccuracy issues. Jamie Winston who is from FSU 58.8 career comp%. Inaccuracy issues. Ej Has A 3.6 Td% and 2.9 int% and Jamie Winston 4.4 td% and 3.1 int%.

I was laughing to,when TT line up behind the guard. That was funny. Plus one guy had two more years of nfl coaching than the other.

Some of you think that he will always be a backup or out of the NFL in a couple years. I wanted to show QBs that were like Manuel, that people gave up on and turn out to be productive starters in the NFL. Also wanted to show QBs that were consider franchise Qbs one year like Kaepernick, and then turn up fighting for roster spot know. Manuel could turn out to be a starter and Taylor like Kaepernick could be fighting for a roster spot couple years down the road. Not going to say it will happen, but you don't know. Cousin I put in there because he bad two years ago. I think he was behind Griffen and McCoy. 29 tds latter he is a starter.

Taylor didn't get to start until his 5th year. Would he been able to start his 5th year, if he would've started as a rookie. He could've sucked his first two or three years and never got a chance to develope into the kind of player he is today. Everybody would judge him on what he looked like his first couple years and thinking he can't get better. Blaine Gabbert and Alex Smith are both starting Qbs who were considered BUST when they first started. Alex Smith stats were the same as Taylors last year. Alex Smith looked worst than EJ his first couple years. He was a first overall pick. Kaepernick put up same stats in 2014 as Taylor and know he might not make the team. Kirk Cousins 2013 4 tds., 7 int., 2 fumbles, 52% com. pct and 5.5 yds att. in 5 games. Know look at him he starting for Redskins.

Manuel had 5 games with 2 tds and Taylor had 1 game with 2 tds.

You talked about Miami game. You know that Taylor only average 27 att. per game last year. Taylor threw three TDs againts NE prevent defense after NE got a big lead. Taylor had three int. and a fumble in that game. Tennessee game, we won last year Taylor had like 100 yds yards passing and we won that game. How did Taylor become a starter. That should all mean that he is a bad QB. You know that we were 3 wins and 6 losts when Taylor att. more than 27 passes.

I thought you were talking about our all pro Buffalo Bill qb that threw three int. against NE. IM sorry, I forgot that it was ok, because that was the other QB. I think that our All Pro QB did not do to good against ten. the first half. I think he had like a hundred total yards in that games. QBs have bad first halfs, including our all pro QB.

Kind of like the NE game except he threw and interception at the end of game. Oh wait that is the other guy. That is o.k its his first year starting. E.J and Taylor had same kind of games . One we make a bigger deal about than the other. Both have 16 starts in the NFL. One has been in the NFL two more years than the other. Yes E.J lost his two games, but Taylor was 1 and 4 after those two games. Isn't that a big deal.

your right defense scored the go ahead TD but also gave up the last score of the game. And the runningback that fumble at the one yard line. That would've gave us a two TD lead. EJ did have a bad first half , but he didn't let it get him down. He played better the second half. I remember the NE game when a QB played bad, but brought us back to almost to beat NE if he only didn't throw an interception at the end of game. First year starting so thats OK.

Nobody knows what EJ could look like down the road. Smith really looked bad his first couple years and then he played better. 49ers couldn't wait to get rid of him for Colin Kaepernick to be a starter and Colin was benched last year for Blaine Gabbert. You guys don't even like EJ as a backup. Some of you would rather have Mettenberger. Which I think is funny.

I here about how bad EJ is. He only has 16 starts and I looked up other QB in there first 16 starts and Alex Smith first 23 starts 17 tds , 27 int. and 21 fumbles. Joe Flacco in his first 16 starts 14 tds ,12 int. and 11 fumbles. Blake Bortles first 16 starts 16 tds and 20 int. 21 fumbles in 29 starts. Andrew Luck first 16 games 54.1 com. pct , 10 fumbles 23 tds and 18 int. EJ Manuel first 16 starts 19 tds,15 int and 9 fumbles. 59.1 com pct. Manuel only has 16 starts as a pro. Yes there is guys like Cam Newton that start out the gate and we say wow. And there are others. Payton Manning only had like one win in his first year and threw a ton of int.

I wish we would've draft offense with this pick. We get all these defensive players and Rex still won't know how to use all this talent. If we didn't hire Rex last year, we wouldn't even be drafting defense lineman this year. Mike Pettine got better outcome out of our front seven than Rex. Wish we would've draft WR or offensive tackle.

look how long it took Alex Smith to become a decent starter. Drew Brees took couple years to be a great starter. Alex Smith had 19 tds, 31 int. and 27 fumbles his first three years in the NFL. Some guys get it right away some take longer. Hell it took Taylor 5 years to become a starter. I bet 49ers wished they had Alex Smith right know. Look at Colin Kaepernick and all money they gave him.

I agree with you C.Biscuit97. In his two starts he did average 280 yds passing on average of 42 att.. Not bad for a 3rd year QB with only 16 starts. We lost both games, but still I guest he is kinda like a rookie with only 16 starts. Isn't that what people say about TT that he is a rookie because this is his first year starting with a total of only 14 starts ,even though this is his fifth year in the league. Taylors only game that he had 42 att. we lost that game too. Only scored 10 pts in that game. That was againts 6 and 10 giants same record as jacksonville . TT is our starter and he had a great year. I not saying EJ should start, but I don't think he is a bad backup.

The team is 5-2. Last week the special teams and defense won the game. Plus good running game. And he didn't start in the Cincinnati game, EJ did. McCoy and Watkins played in 5 of the seven games that TT started and they are 4-1 with them together and one game that McCoy didn't play Williams started and that was Giants game that they lost. He won one game without them guys and he threw for 109 yds and ran for 76 yds. First quarter stats of that game Tenn 115 yards and 7 first downs. Buffalo 7 yards and 0 first downs. He won the game with his legs in the second half of game and that was Mariota worst game of the year.

Kirk Cousins is averaged about 40 att. a game this year and 8 tds and 1 int. the last three games. They throw the ball a lot.

Defense played great and we had a good running game. TT didn't have to do much, that is why he had a good game. Just play it safe and throw short passes to open receivers. A lot of three and outs, but no turnovers. And it helped that Jets were missing three of there four starters in the secondary. If we can run the ball as good as we did againts the jets defense, they are one of the top run defenses in the NFL. We should be able to run againts anybody. Than the QB doesn't have to do much. And that makes Taylor look good.

Do you think playing overseas didn't effect his play little bit. On the NFL network Brian Baldinger said that playing overseas effects the players. You are traveling long distance, diferant time zone. With EJ they ave. of 42 att. a game this year. With Taylor 27 att. a game this year. Taylor comp. Pct. has going down each game, plus his yards per att. has going down too. We been behind the first half for every game except Miami and Colts. Taylor in the two game that we lost with him at QB. 4 tds , 4 int, 2 fumbles and sacked 10 times. lost by a total of 11 points per game. EJ in the two games he lost. 3 tds , 3 int. 2 fumbles and 6 sacks. lost by a total of 8 points per game. Maybe Cassel would,ve won all those games sinse he knew playbook and receivers.

Remember how good Ryan Fitzpatrick look in beginning of 2011. First five games 4 wins and 1 lost. 10 tds and 4 int. just 1 fumble and only sacked 3 times. One of those wins were against NE. I thought we got our QB. Look how that year finished. By the way Taylor did start one game with the Ravens in 2012. He lost to the Bengals in the final game of the year. Got in seven games that year. He played in 11 games total at Baltimore, mainly as a runner. Used him to run for first downs. Did get some time on the playing field before he came here. I know its not a lot , but it wasn't just sitting on the bench. Harbaugh had him in the game plan during season.