BringBackOrton Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) Sorry, that's BS. Setting quotas on how many passes he is supposed to get doesn't help the team. Nor does getting your agent involved. And comparing yourself to other #1 WRs in the league. Edited October 16, 2015 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) Why go public with the comments though? I understand his frustration, but nothing good comes from expressing his anger to media. What he said was fine IMO but not who he said it to. Express it to Rex, Roman, Whaley, Tyrod/EJ, etc. behind closed doors. There is no point in letting the national media know. He may have already done it behind closed doors. He talked to the local media (Dunne) not the national media - Rodak ran his own story using the quotes he plucked from Dunne - but I guess it doesn't matter anyway since there isn't a difference anymore. The agent got involved too (very common with things like this as well as playing time). Like I said, confrontation often leads to change. Edited October 16, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 "Get a haircut, hippie"-Tyrod to Sammy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Is Tyler Dunne crazy? Printing anything negative about Sammy Watkins is a huge insecurity trigger for this fanbase. He may may have just passed Gleason on the Most Hated list. If he isn't careful, he'll catch Rodak real quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Nor does getting your agent involved. And comparing yourself to other #1 WRs in the league. Agreed. And neither does the "You're making me look bad" comment. That isn't what someone worrying about winning says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Agreed. And neither does the "You're making me look bad" comment. That isn't what someone worrying about winning says.the agent said that to the Bills, about himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Sorry, that's BS. Setting quotas on how many passes he is supposed to get doesn't help the team. Look up his other quotes from earlier in the week then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) He may have already done it behind closed doors. He talked to the local media (Dunne) not the national media - Rodak ran his own story using the quotes he plucked from Dunne - but I guess it doesn't matter anyway since there isn't a difference anymore. The agent got involved too (very common with things like this as well as playing time). Like I said, confrontation often leads to change. So if he doesn't get his way behind closed doors, it's ok to unleash your frustration to the media and set specific expected targets for yourself putting pressure on your QBs? What if Sammy doesn't get his way moving forward? What's the next step? Childish antics and unexpected from someone who was personified as a "softspoken hardworker" Edited October 16, 2015 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) So if he doesn't get his way behind closed doors, it's ok to unleash your frustration to the media and set specific expected targets for yourself putting pressure on your QBs? What if Sammy doesn't get his way moving forward? What's the next step? Childish antics and unexpected from someone who was personified as a "softspoken hardworker" again - the article indicates that this is about much more than "getting his way." It is clearly about winning, and how effectively targeting a #1 WR contributes to that goal. I don't see any "childish antics" anywhere. Sorry. He didn't take out a newspaper ad. He was asked questions by a reporter. He answered the questions honestly and competitively. Make sure to read the actual article, not Rodak's blog. Edited October 16, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Maybe the Bills should sign Tahj Boyd...he knew how to get Sammy the ball.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiostyle Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 He's 100% right. But this is dumb to let go public. Did he actually think a journalist wasn't going to publish all of that... selectively? Watkins doesn't strike me a particularly bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) again - the article indicates that this is about much more than "getting his way." It is clearly about winning, and how effectively targeting a #1 WR contributes to that goal. I don't see any "childish antics" anywhere. Sorry. He didn't take out a newspaper ad. He was asked questions by a reporter. He answered the questions honestly and competitively. I disagree. You don't drop names of other receivers in the league and compare targets if it's just about winning. My opinion, if Robert Woods. Percy, or Clay expressed these same feelings, this board would have a complete different tone. Golden boy Sammy can do no wrong. And again- What happens if targets/production don't increase? Everyone knows his demands now. If i'm a betting man, Sammy isn't going to put up OBJ numbers any time soon based on our QB situation. Edited October 16, 2015 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I disagree. You don't drop names of other receivers in the league and compare targets if it's just about winning. Those comparisons illustrate his point perfectly. He seems like a smart guy. Plus, he's simply repeating the comparisons that the fans/media use all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I disagree. You don't drop names of other receivers in the league and compare targets if it's just about winning. Especially when the numbers are way off. He's either saying he needs about 40% all of our passes to go to him, or he's saying Roman needs to call 35+ passes per game instead of running so much. He's quoted saying OBJ gets 20 targets, OBJ has 52 targets on the year (just over 10 per game). And in order for OBJ to see that many targets Eli has already thrown 60 more passes on the year than Tyrod has. Clay and Harvin lead the team in targets and targets per game, but that's also including 2 games where Sammy was unavailable and Clay and Harvin were the main receiving weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Would interesting to see what Fitz would do with sammy Watkins. For all his faults and limitations Fitz is great at feeding his #1 and if he doesn't have a #1 he will make one. He turned Stevie into a 1 who then slipped into obscurity when Fitz keft. then goes to Tennessee and makes Kendall wright a number 1 who slips back into obscurity when Fitz leaves. Then he makes Deondre Hopkins a 1 in Houston. Now he's resurrecting Brandon Marshalls # 1 stature. Fitz would be feeding sammy 10 plus times without sammy saying a word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Those comparisons illustrate his point perfectly. He seems like a smart guy. Plus, he's simply repeating the comparisons that the fans/media use all the time. He also seemed like a softspoken hardworker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Truth Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Sammy. Shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enlightener Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Wrong. While Sammy may have missed a catch here or there, he has generally been nothing short of first round quality. He saved our butts in multiple games last year. It's not fair to him if he's not getting targets because we're handing the ball off to Boobie Dixon 10 times. no he saved us and burned us in 2-3 games last year. re watch houston. he completely sucked and cost us that one. also almost cost us detroit by going down like a girl on prom night w his last catch. 53 yard fg because he couldnt get 1 yard of rac. softy sammy is a little girl when hes hurt. so maybe one day he will play like a man...one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 He also seemed like a softspoken hardworker. He's always been honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 the agent said that to the Bills, about himself. Nope. Here's the full quote from Watkins: “Everybody looks at you getting zero catches, zero yards but when you look on film 90 percent of the time you’re open,” said Watkins, who is represented by Eugene Parker. “I understand that these guys are young and they need some time to trust me. Once we get that trust, it’ll be different. But for me, I need the ball at least 10 times — I need 10 targets — and I’ll be fine with however many yards I get. And that’s what I addressed in talking with my agent. We reached out to a couple people and tried to pull some strings like, ‘Hey, I need my targets. You came up to draft me and I’m not getting targets — that’s a problem. You’re making me look bad and you’re making yourself look bad. Why not make both of us look good?’” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 This trade hasn't worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 This trade hasn't worked out. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Especially when the numbers are way off. He's either saying he needs about 40% all of our passes to go to him, or he's saying Roman needs to call 35+ passes per game instead of running so much. He's quoted saying OBJ gets 20 targets, OBJ has 52 targets on the year (just over 10 per game). And in order for OBJ to see that many targets Eli has already thrown 60 more passes on the year than Tyrod has. Clay and Harvin lead the team in targets and targets per game, but that's also including 2 games where Sammy was unavailable and Clay and Harvin were the main receiving weapons. By my calculations, it'd be 36.5%. Is that unreasonable for your top WR who they traded up for? Or if he gets 8 targets per game like Boldin did in Roman's system, that's just 29%. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25340935/antonio-brown-tells-mike-vick-to-trust-me-says-i-do-need-the-ball Edited October 16, 2015 by 4merper4mer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25340935/antonio-brown-tells-mike-vick-to-trust-me-says-i-do-need-the-ball That's fine, but Brown has proven on the field that he deserves the ball. Sammy is nothing more than a promise up to this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 That's fine, but Brown has proven on the field that he deserves the ball. Sammy is nothing more than a promise up to this point. Do you want him to fail? That's just weird. Because everything I see indicates he is immensely talented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 That's fine, but Brown has proven on the field that he deserves the ball. Sammy is nothing more than a promise up to this point. Sammy hasn't produced when thrown the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 EJ found these comments hurtful. He's now listed as doubtful for Sunday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 EJ found these comments hurtful. He's now listed as doubtful for Sunday... It's a deep groin injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 By my calculations, it'd be 36.5%. Is that unreasonable for your top WR who they traded up for? Or if he gets 8 targets per game like Boldin did in Roman's system, that's just 29%. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me. i don't even know if it needs to be a per game goal but rather a season goal of 100 or more. Every game is different so one week he might get 5 and one week 12. Roman has never had at least one WR that didn't get >100 in a season. He has 13 so far and has 11 games left - 87 over the next 11 games seems reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Sammy hasn't produced when thrown the ball? SAMMY ISN'T ON THE FIELD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Get him the ball. Everyone wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Great... how long before Sammy starts requesting a trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) Great... how long before Sammy starts requesting a trade? Or stops running his routes with the same intensity, hopefully his frustration doesn't reach a level of giving up. We don't have the QB talent right now to match his demands. Edited October 16, 2015 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Great... how long before Sammy starts requesting a trade? Friggin' Eugene Parker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 He hasn't played since week 2 and they have a winning record. Why is he talking about this? Why is Parker complaining to OBD? They're winning games, he's not on the field. This is absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) He hasn't played since week 2 and they have a winning record. Why is he talking about this? Why is Parker complaining to OBD? They're winning games, he's not on the field. This is absurd. Damaged Ego. Edited October 16, 2015 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Great trade by Whalley. This kid really pisses me off. How about you make a play for your QB instead of getting alligator arms. How about you don't throw you hands up and disrespect your QB when you're a rookie. How about try to play through your boo-boo and help your team. What the heck are you talking about? And Sammy has never ever once had alligator arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Damaged Ego. You gotta use your ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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