YoloinOhio Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 @RapSheet: #Bills are activating IK Enemkpali to their 53-man roster, source said, to keep someone from stealing him off practice squad while suspended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 @RapSheet: #Bills are activating IK Enemkpali to their 53-man roster, source said, to keep someone from stealing him off practice squad while suspended Who is gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Whaa? Why would anyone steal him off the practice squad while he's suspended? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Who is gone? I think we were running at 52 to avoid making a cut once Dareus is reinstated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 @RapSheet: #Bills are activating IK Enemkpali to their 53-man roster, source said, to keep someone from stealing him off practice squad while suspended  What a giant waste? No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015  What a giant waste? No? i really don't get it Oh it sounds like his roster spot doesn't count while he is suspended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Hence no Gay on Bills active roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 i really don't get it  Oh it sounds like his roster spot doesn't count while he is suspended  Winner, winner.  Dareus's roster spot doesnt count this week. Neither does IK's while he's suspended. If we can activate him without it taking up a spot, then it is the smart thing to do.  Whaley goin rouge again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Lol people r so dumb  I honestly thought this right away suspended players don't count but I wasn't sure of rule with practice squad or he might have to clear waivers in 4-6 weeks and could lose him then (but if injuries happen in those week) we cover our selfs  My fantasy league has two ir spots and I have two guys who will be back in 4 weeks sitting there it's what smart gms do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Wonder if the Jests will claim him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Who is gone? Â Suspended players don't count against the 53-man Hence no Gay on Bills active roster. Â ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 That's honestly a great move to make. The guy is going to be suspended for 4 games and won't count against the active roster. This holds a spot on the active 53 for a guy that they may not want to let go into waivers/or let go at all at this point for when Dareus returns next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 That's honestly a great move to make. The guy is going to be suspended for 4 games and won't count against the active roster. This holds a spot on the active 53 for a guy that they may not want to let go into waivers/or let go at all at this point for when Dareus returns next week. Does this also free up an extra practice squad spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff28 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Do the 4 games on the active/suspended list count long term against practice squad eligibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Lol people r so dumb  I honestly thought this right away suspended players don't count but I wasn't sure of rule with practice squad or he might have to clear waivers in 4-6 weeks and could lose him then (but if injuries happen in those week) we cover our selfs  My fantasy league has two ir spots and I have two guys who will be back in 4 weeks sitting there it's what smart gms do Whaley is batting about 1.000 lately. Go bills. we finally have this thing right. we'll see if it translates to the field, but the management of the team is in good hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Does this also free up an extra practice squad spot? Â Â Do the 4 games on the active/suspended list count long term against practice squad eligibility? If he's on the active roster then I believe it does. I don't think you can designate a player to the active roster even while he is under the suspension and have that suspension count in both placed. Granted I don't think the suspension would count unless he was on the active roster. Similar to what Spikes is facing right now. If a team signs him he needs to be on the active roster to serve the suspension and not on the PS. At least from my understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 Noooo Deonte gone? Â @TyDunne: To make it happen, team reached an injury settlement with WR Deonte Thompson, released DT Andre Fluellen. Also Cedric Reed added to the P-S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 released DT andre fluellen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 @viccarucci: With Enemkpali's expected 4-game suspension, #Bills will look to add a player to 53-man roster so today's cut could be re-signed soon. Â @ChrisTrapasso: Didnt think #Bills would have to cut anyone with IK being on suspended list. Guess they did. Now they wait to see if Thompson clears waivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff28 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 But won't they add Fluellen back to the active roster tomorrow once he clears waivers since IK won't count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 I actually don't think DT can sign with the Bills if he clears waivers But won't they add Fluellen back to the active roster tomorrow once he clears waivers since IK won't count?i believe they can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Fluellen was the guy to be cut when Dareus returned. Now they have 3 extra weeks of the same roster and PS guys to figure stuff out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 @ChrisTrapasso: Got it. IK suspension isn't "official" yet. When it is, he won't count toward 53man roster altho he's on it. Then Fluellen likely re-signed. Â @mikerodak: Enemkpali will be eligible to return to the Bills active roster on Monday, October 5, per NFL spokesperson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Whaley is batting about 1.000 lately. Go bills. we finally have this thing right. we'll see if it translates to the field, but the management of the team is in good hands  Its really amazing to see all of these little strategy moves that us fans would never think of, and that we havent seen from this team in decades. Whaley gets it. We have a FO that knows how to approach roster building strategy AND contract strategy. There's so much more that goes into building a winning team than just hitting on draft picks.  In Doug I trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Â Its really amazing to see all of these little strategy moves that us fans would never think of, and that we havent seen from this team in decades. Whaley gets it. We have a FO that knows how to approach roster building strategy AND contract strategy. There's so much more that goes into building a winning team than just hitting on draft picks. Â In Doug I trust I know. In the past whenever the Bills signed a practice squad caliber player who was facing suspension for breaking someone's jaw, they didn't properly perform a series of administrative steps that are brilliance. Â I think people are missing the point. If they ever want to use him, he needs to spend 4 weeks on the active roster to serve the suspension. He can't do that on the practice squad. Literally every GM in the history of the league would make this move if they were not planning to cut the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirdborn Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Keeping it close to the vest. no one can pick him up and cut him after they pick his tiny brain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 http://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2015/09/buffalo_bills_de_ik_enemkpali_added_to_active_roster_suspended_four_games.html#incart_river   According to this article, "To make room for Enemkpali on the active roster, the Bills released defensive lineman Andre Fluellen" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) http://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2015/09/buffalo_bills_de_ik_enemkpali_added_to_active_roster_suspended_four_games.html#incart_river   According to this article, "To make room for Enemkpali on the active roster, the Bills released defensive lineman Andre Fluellen" yep. Apparently, they can re-sign him tomorrow. Something about they had to wait until the IK suspension was official so the roster spot was officially open. Edited September 11, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock'em Sock'em Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Fluellen release makes some sense. As a vested vet, his salary would have been guaranteed had he been on the active roster after Saturday.  GUARANTEED SALARY FOR VESTED VETERANSAny vested veteran (at least 4 years of service time) who is on the team’s 53-man roster for the first game of the season is entitled to termination pay (if he’s never received termination pay before), which means that his base salary is essentially guaranteed for the year. This is why you will see teams releasing marginal veteran players prior to week 1 and then immediately re-signing them early the following week. There is also an in-season termination pay that applies to vested veterans signed during the season, which essentially guarantees the player 25% of the salary they would have received if not for being released (again, if they haven’t already received termination pay). http://russellstreetreport.com/2015/08/17/baltimore-ravens-salary-cap/ramificaitons-cutdown-days-rule-51/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 yep. Apparently, they can re-sign him tomorrow. Something about they had to wait until the IK suspension was official so the roster spot was officially open.   Fluellen release makes some sense. As a vested vet, his salary would have been guaranteed had he been on the active roster after Saturday.  GUARANTEED SALARY FOR VESTED VETERANSAny vested veteran (at least 4 years of service time) who is on the team’s 53-man roster for the first game of the season is entitled to termination pay (if he’s never received termination pay before), which means that his base salary is essentially guaranteed for the year. This is why you will see teams releasing marginal veteran players prior to week 1 and then immediately re-signing them early the following week. There is also an in-season termination pay that applies to vested veterans signed during the season, which essentially guarantees the player 25% of the salary they would have received if not for being released (again, if they haven’t already received termination pay). http://russellstreetreport.com/2015/08/17/baltimore-ravens-salary-cap/ramificaitons-cutdown-days-rule-51/ Dang. Whaley is even more on the ball than I thought. Maybe this is SOP, but it seems pretty shrewd to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I know. In the past whenever the Bills signed a practice squad caliber player who was facing suspension for breaking someone's jaw, they didn't properly perform a series of administrative steps that are brilliance. Â I think people are missing the point. If they ever want to use him, he needs to spend 4 weeks on the active roster to serve the suspension. He can't do that on the practice squad. Literally every GM in the history of the league would make this move if they were not planning to cut the guy. Â Â So you are saying it's not pure genius??? Â You are right on....a practice squad player that you can't activate until 4 weeks AFTER you need them is pretty much pointless. Â It will be interesting to see if the league looks at this as a sham.......promoting a player to serve a suspension when he wasn't going to play anyway.....perhaps that is why they are trying to sell the idea that they promoted him to prevent them from losing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 jawbreaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015  Its really amazing to see all of these little strategy moves that us fans would never think of, and that we havent seen from this team in decades. Whaley gets it. We have a FO that knows how to approach roster building strategy AND contract strategy. There's so much more that goes into building a winning team than just hitting on draft picks.  In Doug I trust He's playing chess in a way  Sometimes moves people don't like but they could to lead to moves like dareus  This is using the system to there advantage an extra roster spot for 4 weeks I love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rstencel Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Â Its really amazing to see all of these little strategy moves that us fans would never think of, and that we havent seen from this team in decades. Whaley gets it. We have a FO that knows how to approach roster building strategy AND contract strategy. There's so much more that goes into building a winning team than just hitting on draft picks. Â In Doug I trust The whole cash to cap thing was in the way for moves like this. Ralph didn't have the funds to do a lot of maneuvers like this and the large signing bonuses. Â Â So you are saying it's not pure genius??? Â You are right on....a practice squad player that you can't activate until 4 weeks AFTER you need them is pretty much pointless. Â It will be interesting to see if the league looks at this as a sham.......promoting a player to serve a suspension when he wasn't going to play anyway.....perhaps that is why they are trying to sell the idea that they promoted him to prevent them from losing him. Â The salary is up to at least league minimum, even though its going to charity, so there is that. He is not a vested Vet, so isn't guaranteed for the year, but they do have to include the money that he's technically earning towards cap dollars. Think that is the only negative outside of exposing player to wavers to move him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 (edited) I believe the suspension is still served if he was on the PS or not, he would not be able to practice or be put on the active roster to play in a game for 4 weeks though. This move doesn't change anything except that it now allows them to protect him from getting picked up by another team off the practice squad and it won't cost them a roster spot or a practice squad spot because on the active roster he can be added to the suspended list.  The move has nothing to do with h8m serving the suspension (he would be doing that anyway on the practice squad) it's about protecting him from getting picked up and freeing up a practice squad spot while he sits out  The NFL just hadn't made his suspension official until today which is what they needed to do for the Bills to add him to the suspended list Edited September 12, 2015 by apuszczalowski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I actually don't think DT can sign with the Bills if he clears waivers  He can't. Once you reach an injury settlement, that player can't play for you for the rest of that season. Trapasso's tweet was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Â Â Dang. Whaley is even more on the ball than I thought. Maybe this is SOP, but it seems pretty shrewd to me. It is practical, not shrewd. Shrewd is when Whaely finagles a trade for something more than what he gives up. So far Doug has not shown that he is shrewd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalothruMyVeins Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 (edited) Is there ANY way that we can keep Rex from naming IK his captain for the Jets game, and I'm serious... I get that it's his team, he can't be told every step of the way by the fans, of what to do, but it comes across a such a classless way to go about naming captains, to only name people who can needle the opponent, instead of rewarding an in-house legit leader. Perhaps could be part of the reason why his Jets teams fell apart towards the end, because instead of naming a real captain, they would name Aaron Maybin as captain twice in one year. It is practical, not shrewd. Shrewd is when Whaely finagles a trade for something more than what he gives up. So far Doug has not shown that he is shrewd.Jerry Hughes says hi, and, to a lesser extent, Thad Lewis (roster cutdown trade for a 3rd string MLB we were about to cut, and we got several starts and about .500 ball out of him, if I remember correctly). McCoy reserves judgment. Edited September 12, 2015 by BuffalothruMyVeins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 (edited) From what I' know of the rules if they reached an injury settlement which is says they did, the Bills can not resign him regardless of what else happens. Even if no other team wants him and he's basically a FA no team is allowed to sign anyone that they give an injury settlement too.   @ChrisTrapasso: Didnt think #Bills would have to cut anyone with IK being on suspended list. Guess they did. Now they wait to see if Thompson clears waivers   Yeah think they took a play out of the NE Patriot playbook here . I doubt the league will look into this all that much as it's kind of a unique situation that likely doesn't happen very often with all the limitations around who can and can't be on the practice squad to begin with. Have to have less than 4 years, can't have been active for more than a certain number of games, in addition unlikely you were ever a very high draft pick as if you were and met the first three conditions, likely some other team would sign the player as soon as he was cut, so would never make it to the practice squad.  Sounds like Whaley is being real cute again here!! Don't you just hate it when he does that!    It will be interesting to see if the league looks at this as a sham.......promoting a player to serve a suspension when he wasn't going to play anyway.....perhaps that is why they are trying to sell the idea that they promoted him to prevent them from losing him. Edited September 12, 2015 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I'm amazed that the Bills are bending over forwards for this guy. #punks'r'us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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