BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Sure to follow is Sherman shouting "You cheatn' bro?!" at Brady all Superbowl long. Expect him to pull a pressure gauge out of his sock and check the ball as a celebration if he gets a pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 This might be the greatest thread I've ever read. I'll be entertained for hours tonight. http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/deflate-gate-here-we-go-again.1115247/ They have 269 pages already. Don't we care as much as they do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Nevada State Senator Rips the NFL today Harry Reid, Dean Heller rip NFL for ‘deflategate’ By Lucy McCalmont 1/22/15 6:08 PM EST Nevada Sen. Dean Heller ® called upon the National Football League Thursday to “restore the credibility of the game” in the wake of the alleged use of underinflated balls recently by the New England Patriots. “I am seeking decisive actions ensuring all teams are playing according to the rules,” Heller said Thursday in a statement, adding that the league should work with the NFL Players Association to resolve the issue ahead of the Super Bowl on Feb. 1.... http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/deflategate-patriots-nfl-harry-reid-dean-heller-114513.html Two Senators representing Las Vegas calling for "restoring credibility" to something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Expect him to pull a pressure gauge out of his sock and check the ball as a celebration if he gets a pick Funny, although he would probably only pretend he's using one...LOL TO and Ocho Cinco put the use of real props out to pasture for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 At least in this guy's case the disgust is misplaced. The NFL has specified exactly how much air should be in the football, the Patriliars** determined they didn't want to follow the rules im glad that a senator is taking the time to weigh in on this with calls to action, but not wasting his time to learn whats going on. always a fun combo. Not necessarily. They could argue that Colts kept inflating the balls to keep them at the desired higher levels, because the cold air was deflating them on their own. or the colts started at the top end at pats at the bottom end, as some qbs have said they dont like softer ones as much. Everybody, well not the hoodie, is laughing because everybody is doing it. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/21/leinart-says-every-quarterback-tampers-with-the-ball-except-one/ and the relevent quote beyond leinart saying all qbs do whatever they want is -- NFL head coaches here at Senior Bowl seem downright offended that people think this deflation stuff is a big deal. i know "everybody does it" doesnt make it ok, but it might give some perspective on what level of transgression this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 or the colts started at the top end at pats at the bottom end, as some qbs have said they dont like softer ones as much. Possibly the easiest thing to verify of all in this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I don't think you need to go past that first page. Great observation of fans' behavior at first sign of trouble. My favorite - indicative of both the team and its fans: "moejr said: 268 pages and still going strong. Beats the game day threads Come on team, let's go for 300! Run up the score!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 This might be the greatest thread I've ever read. I'll be entertained for hours tonight. http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/deflate-gate-here-we-go-again.1115247/ God, I hate New England sports fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) Anybody read this. Had to use a cache sight because the main sight is down http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/%3Fp%3D2932&strip=1 I spoke with a data scientist who I know from work on the NFLproject.com website, and sent him the data. He said: Based on the assumption that fumbles per play follow a normal distribution, you’d expect to see, according to random fluctuation, the results that the Patriots have gotten over this period, once in 16,233.77 instances”. Which in layman’s terms means that this result only being a coincidence, is like winning a raffle where you have a 0.0000616 probability to win. Which in other words, it’s very unlikely that it’s a coincidence. I actually went back and researched 5 year periods for the entire NFL over the last 25 years. The Patriots ratio of 187 plays to 1 fumble is the BEST of ANY team in the NFL for ANY 5 year span of time over the last 25 years. Not was it just the best, it wasn’t close: 2010-2014 Patriots: 187 plays/fumble 2009-2013 Patriots: 156 plays/fumble 2006-2010 Colts: 156 plays/fumble 2005-2009 Colts: 153 plays/fumble 2007-2011 Patriots: 149 plays/fumble 2008-2012 Patriots: 148 plays/fumble 2010-2014 Texans: 140 plays/fumble 2004-2008 Colts: 139 plays/fumble 2006-2010 Jets: 135 plays/fumble 1999-2003 Chiefs: 134 plays/fumble There are a few key takeaways. First and foremost, the 187 plays/fumble dwarfs even the rest of the best seasons the last 25 years. Second, the Patriots have been at the top of the NFL since 2007. Ironically, as my study yesterday showed, the Patriots performance in wet weather home games mysteriously turned ridiculous starting in 2007. In 2006, they went 0-2. From 2007 onward, they went 14-1. there is a lot more to read following the link. It is a long article Edited January 23, 2015 by ddaryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 God, I hate New England sports fans. This poor dude from Sunday night: "This will blow over by tomorrow. Seriously, enjoy the win and stop worrying about a non-issue." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 What else should they have done? Ask Jim Tomsula to stand in for Tommy? Waited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Last 2 people with the balls - Ball boy and ref. ball boy goes in with red gym bag full of money ref seen leaving stadium after game with same red bag. Who else could have ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 This might be the greatest thread I've ever read. I'll be entertained for hours tonight. http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/deflate-gate-here-we-go-again.1115247/ I would be too except that site gives me a headache. Every time I make the mistake of venturing onto another team's fan forums, I thank the good lord for Scott and all he has done for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 It's just funny to see the progression of the thread. First few pages are everyone laughing how stupid the rumor was, then it was "well it's not a big deal," then it turns into denial and anger, then excuses, then panic lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Anybody read this. Had to use a cache sight because the main sight is down http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/%3Fp%3D2932&strip=1 there is a lot more to read following the link. It is a long article I hate NE, but this analysis is bunk (at least in my opinion). It's been discussed at length a few pages up (I think in the 90s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 It's just funny to see the progression of the thread. First few pages are everyone laughing how stupid the rumor was, then it was "well it's not a big deal," then it turns into denial and anger, then excuses, then panic lol i been popping over there from time for couple of years...it is amazing how much they hate Kraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I hate NE, but this analysis is bunk (at least in my opinion). It's been discussed at length a few pages up (I think in the 90s). Can you summarize the debunking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Can you summarize the debunking? The original data only accounted for fumbles lost. The study was redone accounting for fumbles in general and, while the patriots were still high, they fell within a couple standard deviations. It was also brought up that they are an organization that is known to limit situations where fumbling occurs frequently. Their quarterback is well protected and doesn't get sacked often compared to league averages, and they value players who hold onto the football and bench players who fumble. I think that was the gist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 @AlbertBreer: Checked on this on NFL statement, what I inferred is correct: Both teams' balls fine before kickoff; Colts were fine, Pats' weren't at half. @AlbertBreer: That's important context, b/c it displays if atmospheric conditions affected the footballs, it was only on one side, which would be bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Was colder on NE side of the field and no heater blowing on them. Colts had heater blowing on them to keep them warm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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