Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Listening to Eric Wood on GR, he said that Marrone, Morris, the TE coach and somebody else were constantly on the Oline to get better. Could it be that the players were confused as to what to do because one guy says do this and another that, leading to paralysis by analysis? Also he indicated that the coaches were bashing them just as much as the fans and media, could they have ruined their self confidence and this led to their regression? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Listening to Eric Wood on GR, he said that Marrone, Morris, the TE coach and somebody else were constantly on the Oline to get better. Could it be that the players were confused as to what to do because one guy says do this and another that, leading to paralysis by analysis? Also he indicated that the coaches were bashing them just as much as the fans and media, could they have ruined their self confidence and this led to their regression? All of that may be true, but the fact that there isn't much talent on the O line to begin with is much more relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doro Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 The same OL last year finished top 3 in rushing. They are not all that horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Suck it up, Venus de Milo, and learn to block. Maybe the coaches wouldn't say such mean things then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 This coaching staff looks worse and worse by the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 The success of our positional units varied inversely with St. Doug's level of involvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Too many cooks in the kitchen? This is the case with the front office too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHILL Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 All of that may be true, but the fact that there isn't much talent on the O line to begin with is much more relevant. 3/5 of the line was part of what was considered a high level offensive line 3 years ago. They were bad this year but I feel like the scheme didn't help them much either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 All of that may be true, but the fact that there isn't much talent on the O line to begin with is much more relevant.   those guys were good under Chan. The same OL last year finished top 3 in rushing. They are not all that horrible.  last year. This coaching staff looks worse and worse by the day   indeed The success of our positional units varied inversely with St. Doug's level of involvement.  indeed part 2 This is the case with the front office too.   yep, time to clean house, sick of all the usual suspects screwing things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 All of that may be true, but the fact that there isn't much talent on the O line to begin with is much more relevant. Shouldn't that befall Whaley? Â Where I'm at a loss is with how many posters seem to support Whaley, but we have no QB, largely due to him if not exclusively due to him, no RBs, nothing special at TE, questionable WRs at least to top levels, and opinions overall seem to be demonstrative that the talent on the OL is not good either. Â In short, he's got the offense in shambles and yet still has his job. yep, time to clean house, sick of all the usual suspects screwing things up. Yeah, but that's clearly not going to happen. The time to have done that was last week. Pegula's missed the boat on this one. Â I hear lots of fans complaining about the Sabres, and I have no idea how there's any contrary argument there, but it seems as if he's pulling the same nonsense he played there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I like Eric Wood but coaches are there to motivate you one way or another....sitting around singing kumbiya isnt gonna stop Wilfolk from knocking back into you quarterback. The assistant coaches have a job to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 Shouldn't that befall Whaley?  Where I'm at a loss is with how many posters seem to support Whaley, but we have no QB, largely due to him if not exclusively due to him, no RBs, nothing special at TE, questionable WRs at least to top levels, and opinions overall seem to be demonstrative that the talent on the OL is not good either.  In short, he's got the offense in shambles and yet still has his job. Yeah, but that's clearly not going to happen. The time to have done that was last week. Pegula's missed the boat on this one.  I hear lots of fans complaining about the Sabres, and I have no idea how there's any contrary argument there, but it seems as if he's pulling the same nonsense he played there.  maybe in a couple years he will after we go through some retread and he realizes it's time to start over :doh: I like Eric Wood but coaches are there to motivate you one way or another....sitting around singing kumbiya isnt gonna stop Wilfolk from knocking back into you quarterback. The assistant coaches have a job to do   how many assistants do they need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proteus Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 The same OL last year finished top 3 in rushing. They are not all that horrible. They were 2nd in yards and tied with two other teams in 14 in yards per attempt. The ran the ball more than any other team in the league by a good margain. Let not skew the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 All of that may be true, but the fact that there isn't much talent on the O line to begin with is much more relevant. True esp at guard the talent is non-existent and at RT you had a rookie which resulted in growing pains at that position. As a unit they need both a talent and coaching upgrade along the o-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 All of that may be true, but the fact that there isn't much talent on the O line to begin with is much more relevant. There's a lot of potential but not a lot of production Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I am fascinated by the logic that because the O-line was good under Chan, a few years ago, that of course these same players couldn't have possibly regressed or, I dunno, sucked to begin with. They were never good, the front 5 has been shuffled a few times, guys have been banged up, they have gotten older, and the very idea that Irbik and Pears belong on this team is garbage. Moving tackles inside appears to be a garbage philosophy too. Marrone is a cookie cutter coach plain and simple, but if not for the bad press and the collective angst towards him, some people might have a different opinion on the quality of said O-linemen. Whaley looks brilliant at picking some defensive guys, but that is equally tempered by his awful assessment of offensive personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 True esp at guard the talent is non-existent and at RT you had a rookie which resulted in growing pains at that position. As a unit they need both a talent and coaching upgrade along the o-line. We really have little idea what guard holds after seeing it mangled with a choice like pears over urbik, hearing how negative the coaches were, poor play calling etc.... A good coach might get them to middle of the pack without a massive makeover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Listening to Eric Wood on GR, he said that Marrone, Morris, the TE coach and somebody else were constantly on the Oline to get better. Could it be that the players were confused as to what to do because one guy says do this and another that, leading to paralysis by analysis? Also he indicated that the coaches were bashing them just as much as the fans and media, could they have ruined their self confidence and this led to their regression? They kind of sucked at run blocking. Â I think getting your arse handed to you by Williams, Williams, Hughes, Dareus, Charles, and Wynn every practice probably hurts your confidence more than any of the coaches mean words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) it was NOT QUITE the same O line as last year...Glenn and Wood returned at LT and C,respectively,but there was a revolving door at LG,RG and RT. 4 new guys (Williams and the 3 rookies),. Marrone should have left Pears and Urbik on the right side and concentrated on fixing LG No continuity to speak of. Edited January 7, 2015 by Pablocruise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 The same OL last year finished top 3 in rushing. They are not all that horrible. They really weren't all that bad under Chan. His staff did a much better job of getting the most out of basically the same group of guys (except Henderson). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doro Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 They were 2nd in yards and tied with two other teams in 14 in yards per attempt. The ran the ball more than any other team in the league by a good margain. Let not skew the facts.The year before that, they were 4th in yards per attempt and 6th in yards with the same players (4/5). Two years with Marone, they were one of the worst in the league. Coaching more than talent has something to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 The year before that, they were 4th in yards per attempt and 6th in yards with the same players (4/5). Two years with Marone, they were one of the worst in the league. Coaching more than talent has something to do with it.There are coaches who are used to having crappy talent and figuring out ways to scheme around it and make it passable. Chan was like that. Add in fitz's quick release, and pretty much the same oline (or worse, with Bell at LT) was considered a strength of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Eric Wood on the Marrone mass text: "That didn't impress me one bit" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Well, you know what they say. Too many cocks spoil the brothel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Woods did defend Hacket said he was told what to do. The radio interview with Woods today was interesting, if you did not hear it you should http://media.wgr550.com/a/100652143/1-6-eric-wood.htm   I am excited for next season!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) They were 2nd in yards and tied with two other teams in 14 in yards per attempt. The ran the ball more than any other team in the league by a good margain. Let not skew the facts. The year before that, they were 4th in yards per attempt and 6th in yards with the same players (4/5). Two years with Marone, they were one of the worst in the league. Coaching more than talent has something to do with it. Â The 2014 offense averaged about 25 yards less a game then the 2012 offense. Had Orton played all 16 and Spiller and Fred all 16 I bet that gap closes significantly. Â The 2012 team had a healthy oline of Glenn--Levitre--Wood--Urbik--Pears. Very good. Â And a QB in the system for 3 seasons. Â Another thing to factor---teams were more than happy to let Spiller go nuts bc we couldn't throw worth crap and teams scored on a historically bad defense at will. Â This offense needed to replace Levitre. Groom a 5th round and 7th round pick to START on the oline. Urbik played ok when he was in. Ok ain't good enough.. Â And it wasn't too long ago we were all convinced Spiller was no good---All 22 Jeremy showing us holes he missed. We all saw it. We all saw him pathetically attempt to pass block. Â I'm sick of these comparisons to the Chan O. It had 5 good games. The rest was CRAP. What the hell was everyone watching? Oh yea...the occasional 60 yard run by Spiller when we were down 24 to puff up the stats. Â Â I think 15 years of watching Brady and Belichick deficate all over us has Bills nation in a ridiculous place. Edited January 7, 2015 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 This is the case with the front office too. Can you tell me how many and who the cooks are? I'm a little confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 They kind of sucked at run blocking.  I think getting your arse handed to you by Williams, Williams, Hughes, Dareus, Charles, and Wynn every practice probably hurts your confidence more than any of the coaches mean words.  going against better players in practice will make you better. Woods did defend Hacket said he was told what to do. The radio interview with Woods today was interesting, if you did not hear it you should http://media.wgr550.com/a/100652143/1-6-eric-wood.htm   I am excited for next season!!  Looks like old sour puss did us a favor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 The success of our positional units varied inversely with St. Doug's level of involvement. Â this does appear to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Â going against better players in practice will make you better. Â Â Looks like old sour puss did us a favor Aren't you the OP?You're saying that the coaches being harsh on the O-Line made the O-Line worse . . . Come on man, if you're not mentally tough enough to take Marrone chewing you out, What are you going to do when Vince Wilfork wants to eat you for Lunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Just hike the ball, Eric.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmmd Ackbar Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) I think that trying to fill holes with 7th rounders and UDFAs is what did it  Too Many Cooks? Edited January 7, 2015 by Cmmd Ackbar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalothruMyVeins Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Dammit I was just going to post that YouTube video... Hah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) Aren't you the OP? Obviously You're saying that the coaches being harsh on the O-Line made the O-Line worse . . . Come on man, if you're not mentally tough enough to take Marrone chewing you out, What are you going to do when Vince Wilfork wants to eat you for Lunch. Â it's not about being able to take it, it's about undermining their ability to play, which makes them think they are not good enough and thus start performing to their constantly suggested inferiority. Edited January 7, 2015 by Buffalo Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Â it's not about being able to take it, it's about undermining their ability to play, which makes them think they are not good enough and thus start performing to their constantly suggested inferiority. Possibly and also possible that if they are constantly loudly negative, how well are they actually teaching technique and such.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Â it's not about being able to take it, it's about undermining their ability to play, which makes them think they are not good enough and thus start performing to their constantly suggested inferiority. You basically called the O-line p*****s by making this assertion. How can you not hold the players responsible for their performance? If playing like garbage is their response to being told that they are playing like garbage, then they are garbage. These guys were never good and I have never seen them do anything over the past 4 years to make me believe that they were ever capable of run blocking with power. If they couldn't run the draw out of the shotgun they got stuffed. Fred was also a much better player in Chan's tenure. They get zero push consistently. Chan was vilified for going 5 wide on 3rd and short for reasons that fans still deny to this day. They are weak at the point of attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I love it when an athlete speaks his mind and gives a fairly candid interview and the reaction by some is "just shut up and play." Priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Â it's not about being able to take it, it's about undermining their ability to play, which makes them think they are not good enough and thus start performing to their constantly suggested inferiority. So in your opinion getting your ass handed to you everyday in practice by the best defensive land in football makes you better but Marrone saying you're garbage constantly makes you worse. I think that tells us more about you than what the OLine actually went through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I love it when an athlete speaks his mind and gives a fairly candid interview and the reaction by some is "just shut up and play." Priceless. It is a fans prerogative to do so. I don't get caught up in the drama of millionaire excuse making, nor have I ever paid much attention to interviews from the players, coaches, and front office types. Every team is what their record says they are. Every game is one highly specific situation after another that can't be looked at accurately without context of everything else on the field that precedes it in chronological order. For me that is the beauty of football. Broad statistical averages say absolutely nothing about match ups and situational football. The only outcomes that matter to me are winning or losing. Nothing these guys say will change their past performance. I don't need their eye witness testimony when there is a video of the events. Ray Rice would agree. Using interviews to gain context of what is not understood by watching the game itself is a waste of time. I am happy that Marrone is gone. I am also happy that they were 9-7. Obviously, it's JMO. The guy wasn't wrong about everything, just as it is true that Whaley hasn't been right about everything on the offensive side of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Shouldn't that befall Whaley? Â Where I'm at a loss is with how many posters seem to support Whaley, but we have no QB, largely due to him if not exclusively due to him, no RBs, nothing special at TE, questionable WRs at least to top levels, and opinions overall seem to be demonstrative that the talent on the OL is not good either. Â In short, he's got the offense in shambles and yet still has his job. Â Our WRs are young but we have top level talent in Watkins/Woods/Hogan. Chandler has too many drops for my liking so I with you there. If we had an answer at QB then I think the O-Line play starts to improve. Fitz clearly was not the answer but we were better off with him behind center than Orton. My fear is that we are really going to need some quality OC and O Line coaching for EJ to develop, the game is too fast and he plays too timid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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