I know nonone would actually say it but do you think Whaley might actu

[John from Riverside]

I know that everyone sports the company line because that is the professional thing to do and we are in season

 

I think back to all of the moves that Whaley has actually made to improve the organization......

 

Now Doug Whaley answers to just the Pegulas

 

I think to some of the players that Whaley has brought in that have not been utilized to their max by the coaches....

 

Mike Williams comes to mind

 

In pre season Mike Williams was killin it from the way things were making it sound.....then in almost no time at all he is riding the bench and now cut.

 

There have been other situations along these lines.

 

I am just wondering if Whaley might be looking forward to bringing in another coaching staff and is not happy with this one? I wonder how influencial he was in bringing in Schwartz?

[FireChan]

I know that everyone sports the company line because that is the professional thing to do and we are in season

 

I think back to all of the moves that Whaley has actually made to improve the organization......

 

Now Doug Whaley answers to just the Pegulas

 

I think to some of the players that Whaley has brought in that have not been utilized to their max by the coaches....

 

Mike Williams comes to mind

 

In pre season Mike Williams was killin it from the way things were making it sound.....then in almost no time at all he is riding the bench and now cut.

 

There have been other situations along these lines.

 

I am just wondering if Whaley might be looking forward to bringing in another coaching staff and is not happy with this one? I wonder how influencial he was in bringing in Schwartz?

 

I do not want Schwartz as HC. He can't do the job. 4-12 with that Lions roster last year is disgraceful, especially with Rodgers missing half the season. Imagine an HC in Buffalo going 4-12 with Brady out for an entire year, and an 8-8 Pats squad. You'd lose your mind.

[John from Riverside]

I do not want Schwartz as HC. He can't do the job. 4-12 with that Lions roster last year is disgraceful, especially with Rodgers missing half the season. Imagine an HC in Buffalo going 4-12 with Brady out for an entire year, and an 8-8 Pats squad. You'd lose your mind.

 

I am not suggesting that Schwartz be the new HC......more like what it would take to keep him on as DC in a massive coach overhaul.

 

I dont want him as HC

 

I do wonder if Whaley might see an opportunity to upgrade the coaching staff as a whole now that the team has stability and a deep pockets owner

[K-9]

I know that everyone sports the company line because that is the professional thing to do and we are in season

 

I think back to all of the moves that Whaley has actually made to improve the organization......

 

Now Doug Whaley answers to just the Pegulas

 

I think to some of the players that Whaley has brought in that have not been utilized to their max by the coaches....

 

Mike Williams comes to mind

 

In pre season Mike Williams was killin it from the way things were making it sound.....then in almost no time at all he is riding the bench and now cut.

 

There have been other situations along these lines.

 

I am just wondering if Whaley might be looking forward to bringing in another coaching staff and is not happy with this one? I wonder how influencial he was in bringing in Schwartz?

 

Later on, maybe. But reports were that MW was in danger of not even making the team early on. I thought it was lingering hamstring problems from last year that were hindering him. But he had a dreadful first couple weeks of camp.

 

I think the rest of your post has some credence. While Marrone had final say on the Schwartz hire and was involved in the search, Whaley certainly pitched the job as well.

 

Marrone and Whaley HAVE butted heads over players. Marrone has butted heads with Monos in that regard as well as others, too. But I don't think this is a rare thing in the league given what their respective duties are as HC and GM.

 

If the Pegulas are inclined to make a change, I'm sure they'd welcome Whaley's input unless they are considering changing GMs as well. It's be interesting to see if previous reports of Pegula bringing in a consultant are true. In that case, Whaley will be scrutinized as well. Hard to argue with Whaley's player-personnel decisions overall, I think.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[FireChan]

I am not suggesting that Schwartz be the new HC......more like what it would take to keep him on as DC in a massive coach overhaul.

 

I dont want him as HC

 

I do wonder if Whaley might see an opportunity to upgrade the coaching staff as a whole now that the team has stability and a deep pockets owner

 

I don't know if a "proven" HC would want his staff to be dictated by the GM. It would require some schmoozing, that's for certain.

[Fixxxer]

Why try to find a feud where there is probably none?

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

I am not suggesting that Schwartz be the new HC......more like what it would take to keep him on as DC in a massive coach overhaul.

 

I dont want him as HC

 

I do wonder if Whaley might see an opportunity to upgrade the coaching staff as a whole now that the team has stability and a deep pockets owner

Don't think he would stay around as DC, he OBVIOUSLY came hear because he wants to be a head coach again.

[BADOLBILZ]

Well I will say this.......Marrone certainly isn't the coach he promised to be.

 

He promised to be innovative and aggressive offensively and they are as far from those things as they could possibly be.

 

Where the blame for that goes is up for debate but someone needs to be held accountable.

 

As much as I'd like to blame Marrone/Hackett I think the front office bungled badly wrt personnel decisions in the offseason when they hired Marrone and I was less than impressed with last offseason as well.

 

The best time to make a turnaround in the NFL nowadays is year ONE. New coaches bring new systems that other teams are unprepared for and that buys you a natural game-planning edge much of that first season.

 

In year one Marrone and Hackett tried to install an up-tempo attack that looked quite promising early but they scrapped it this year....saddled with a porous OL and a QB who wasn't good enough to throw from the pocket or durable enough to be a dual threat.

 

It's almost as if Marrone has said........if you give me mediocre talent I will give you a mediocre offense....which fits the whole St. Doug model.

[Solomon Grundy]

 

 

I do not want Schwartz as HC. He can't do the job. 4-12 with that Lions roster last year is disgraceful, especially with Rodgers missing half the season. Imagine an HC in Buffalo going 4-12 with Brady out for an entire year, and an 8-8 Pats squad. You'd lose your mind.

 

Imagine if the Patriots thought that of Belichick when he was with the Browns.

[Kelly the Dog]

Later on, maybe. But reports were that MW was in danger of not even making the team early on. I thought it was lingering hamstring problems from last year that were hindering him. But he had a dreadful first couple weeks of camp.

 

I think the rest of your post has some credence. While Marrone had final say on the Schwartz hire and was involved in the search, Whaley certainly pitched the job as well.

 

Marrone and Whaley HAVE butted heads over players. Marrone has butted heads with Monos in that regard as well as others, too. But I don't think this is a rare thing in the league given what their respective duties are as HC and GM.

 

If the Pegulas are inclined to make a change, I'm sure they'd welcome Whaley's input unless they are considering changing GMs as well. It's be interesting to see if previous reports of Pegula bringing in a consultant are true. In that case, Whaley will be scrutinized as well. Hard to argue with Whaley's player-personnel decisions overall, I think.

 

GO BILLS!!!

Good post. I agree on all fronts.

 

I think Whaley could and would fire Marrone at the end of this season (if we lose to the Pack and the Pats, which we may not). I wouldn't bet on it, and maybe not even predict it. But I think he may, depending on what the Pegulas think of Marrone (and to some degree, what Brandon's input is).

Edited December 8, 2014 by Kelly the Dog

[FireChan]

Imagine if the Patriots thought that of Belichick when he was with the Browns.

 

Who was the Browns #1 overall QB and one of the best WR's in history during BB's tenure?

Edited December 8, 2014 by FireChan

[CardinalScotts]

wow look at other teams

[TPS]

I know that everyone sports the company line because that is the professional thing to do and we are in season

 

I think back to all of the moves that Whaley has actually made to improve the organization......

 

Now Doug Whaley answers to just the Pegulas

 

I think to some of the players that Whaley has brought in that have not been utilized to their max by the coaches....

 

Mike Williams comes to mind

 

In pre season Mike Williams was killin it from the way things were making it sound.....then in almost no time at all he is riding the bench and now cut.

 

There have been other situations along these lines.

 

I am just wondering if Whaley might be looking forward to bringing in another coaching staff and is not happy with this one? I wonder how influencial he was in bringing in Schwartz?

Gms don't bring in assistant coaches, the head coach does. I actually believe that Marrone was interested in Schwartz once he was fired, and was not happy with Pettine's run D. He was more than happy to prep Pettine for the Brown's job.

 

That said, I do like Schwartz as the next HC. He has a very similar background to Belicheck, who also failed at his first HC job.

[bigK14094]

Imagine if the Patriots thought that of Belichick when he was with the Browns.

That!!!!

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

I think this off season three things could happen:

 

1) TP (and KP) decides to completely clean house up to and including RB, DW, and all the coaches. I kind of doubt this will happen as from what I've read, TP appreciated RB's help during the purchase process so likely he stays. I do believe RB likes DW so puts a good word in for him and DW also keeps his job. I hope this happens as I believe the Bill's would be hard pressed to find a better GM He's made more good moves than bad, the one bad one people will bring up is QB, while I don't disagree this hasn't worked out very well, 20 other teams have the same problem. It takes more luck than anything to find the answer at QB

 

2) Whaley instructs DM to fire Hackett and DM refuses. Then DM also gets shown the door. In defense of DM, if I were him I'd argue that it will be difficult to bring in a new OC unless DM's contract is extended as who wants to work for a lame duck coach. If I recall correctly that was the same argument Wade Phillips made to RW at the time, but it didn't work that time either. It's also possible that Whaley puts many conditions on DM hoping he'll not accept them giving him an excuse to fire him. Wade had a a much longer and successful resume than DM does, so for Wade, he could play that card and not worry about getting rehired. For Marrone if he refuses to meet conditions and gets fired, he'll likely struggle to get another shot even in college, so not so sure Doug would be dumb enough to go down that route. (I'm certain these words will get many responses)

 

3) All the off season stories about friction between DM and the front office are true as this thread alludes too and DM is fired for that.

 

So will see what happens in a month, will be very surprised if at least Hackett isn't gone by New Years.

[harv shitz]

I thought Marrone's resume was a bit light on qualifications to be named an NFL Head Coach. Problem is nobody wanted the job!

 

What if Marrone is fired, and NOBODY wants the job again? It just blows the mind that this team has this kind of talent, yet again for 16 years, we can't even get decent QB play, or coaching/play-calling that makes any sense?

[Rico]

I think it would depend on if Brandon is truly out-of-the-picture on the football side. If he's still involved at all, then it's highly unlikely Marrone is gone, at least not this off-season anyways.

[K-9]

Good post. I agree on all fronts.

 

I think Whaley could and would fire Marrone at the end of this season (if we lose to the Pack and the Pats, which we may not). I wouldn't bet on it, and maybe not even predict it. But I think he may, depending on what the Pegulas think of Marrone (and to some degree, what Brandon's input is).

 

I agree. I don't think Marrone comes back if he loses out.

 

Conversely, 10-6 (playoffs or not) brings him back, I think.

 

This is when I'm reminded of the Bullough days. If the players sincerely don't respect Marrone, they may very well run for the bus if they feel a losing record gets him fired. That's not as bat-schit crazy as it sounds. Fred Smerlas threatened physical harm to anyone that played well for Bullough and made him look good as a result.

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

I think this off season three things could happen:

 

1) TP (and KP) decides to completely clean house up to and including RB, DW, and all the coaches. I kind of doubt this will happen as from what I've read, TP appreciated RB's help during the purchase process so likely he stays. I do believe RB likes DW so puts a good word in for him and DW also keeps his job. I hope this happens as I believe the Bill's would be hard pressed to find a better GM He's made more good moves than bad, the one bad one people will bring up is QB, while I don't disagree this hasn't worked out very well, 20 other teams have the same problem. It takes more luck than anything to find the answer at QB

 

2) Whaley instructs DM to fire Hackett and DM refuses. Then DM also gets shown the door. In defense of DM, if I were him I'd argue that it will be difficult to bring in a new OC unless DM's contract is extended as who wants to work for a lame duck coach. If I recall correctly that was the same argument Wade Phillips made to RW at the time, but it didn't work that time either. It's also possible that Whaley puts many conditions on DM hoping he'll not accept them giving him an excuse to fire him. Wade had a a much longer and successful resume than DM does, so for Wade, he could play that card and not worry about getting rehired. For Marrone if he refuses to meet conditions and gets fired, he'll likely struggle to get another shot even in college, so not so sure Doug would be dumb enough to go down that route. (I'm certain these words will get many responses)

 

3) All the off season stories about friction between DM and the front office are true as this thread alludes too and DM is fired for that.

 

So will see what happens in a month, will be very surprised if at least Hackett isn't gone by New Years.

 

I doubt Russ gets touched now that he's back on the business side. His track record in that capacity is pretty impressive, actually.

 

I think your idea of DM being asked to fire NH might happen.

 

GO BILLS!!!

Edited December 9, 2014 by K-9

[Kelly the Dog]

I agree. I don't think Marrone comes back if he loses out.

 

Conversely, 10-6 (playoffs or not) brings him back, I think.

 

This is when I'm reminded of the Bullough days. If the players sincerely don't respect Marrone, they may very well run for the bus if they feel a losing record gets him fired. That's not as bat-schit crazy as it sounds. Fred Smerlas threatened physical harm to anyone that played well for Bullough and made him look good as a result.

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

 

 

I doubt Russ gets touched now that he's back on the business side. His track record in that capacity is pretty impressive, actually.

 

I think your idea of DM being asked to fire NH might happen.

 

GO BILLS!!!

The problem with that is I think it's Marrone's offense. They work together and Hackett designs a lot of the plays in the playbook and calls most of them during the game, but I believe it's Marrone who decides who plays, what formations (2-3 TE and bunch) they run and how much of it they run in each game. Firing NH wouldn't change much unless Whaley ordered that too, and that would be harder to do, plus put Marrone in an untenable situation with his GM.

 

Schwartz really complicates matters, too. It's hard to fire Marrone, keep Schwartz, and not piss Schwartz off giving the job to his contemporary. The only thing that works IMO is fire Marrone, hire Malzhan or Sumlin from college to be HC but just run the offense, give Schwartz a big raise and Assistant HC title and more responsibility, which will help him get his next HC job. I would actually like that I think.

[Webster Guy]

Cant judge a coach or win playoff games without a solid qb that has a decent enough Oline line to keep him upright and to create some holes here and there for the runners.

 

Until then I wouldnt fire anyone because you don't know what kind of coach he is yet.

[Fixxxer]

Cant judge a coach or win playoff games without a solid qb that has a decent enough Oline line to keep him upright and to create some holes here and there for the runners.

 

Until then I wouldnt fire anyone because you don't know what kind of coach he is yet.

 

it's easier to overreact, imagine every negative scenario and fire......

 

[K-9]

The problem with that is I think it's Marrone's offense. They work together and Hackett designs a lot of the plays in the playbook and calls most of them during the game, but I believe it's Marrone who decides who plays, what formations (2-3 TE and bunch) they run and how much of it they run in each game. Firing NH wouldn't change much unless Whaley ordered that too, and that would be harder to do, plus put Marrone in an untenable situation with his GM.

 

Schwartz really complicates matters, too. It's hard to fire Marrone, keep Schwartz, and not piss Schwartz off giving the job to his contemporary. The only thing that works IMO is fire Marrone, hire Malzhan or Sumlin from college to be HC but just run the offense, give Schwartz a big raise and Assistant HC title and more responsibility, which will help him get his next HC job. I would actually like that I think.

 

I can see that. But if we finish 10-6, which I think Marrone may need to do anyway, the ONE glaring biggest issue with the team is the offensive performance but Marrone is the HC that got us to 10-6 and we can't fire half of him for designing the offense. And for political reasons, I'm positive you don't fire a coach after a 10-6 season. So, NH becomes the sacrificial lamb in the equation and Marrone has a choice to either stay or not.

 

Probably a moot point anyway, as I honestly think he needs better than 8-8, if not 10-6, to stay on and that's a tall order. The Pegulas and the consultant they bring in to evaluate the organization, are big wild cards though.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[Kelly the Dog]

I can see that. But if we finish 10-6, which I think Marrone may need to do anyway, the ONE glaring biggest issue with the team is the offensive performance but Marrone is the HC that got us to 10-6 and we can't fire half of him for designing the offense. And for political reasons, I'm positive you don't fire a coach after a 10-6 season. So, NH becomes the sacrificial lamb in the equation and Marrone has a choice to either stay or not.

 

Probably a moot point anyway, as I honestly think he needs better than 8-8, if not 10-6, to stay on and that's a tall order. The Pegulas and the consultant they bring in to evaluate the organization, are big wild cards though.

 

GO BILLS!!!

Yup. But if he finishes 10-6 I think you have to keep him and Hackett.

[yungmack]

The difficulty I have with all this "fire Hackett" talk is that I'm not at all certain he's the problem. He was saddled with three jamokes at QB last year, now has a dreadful QB who seems to be checking down on every play, has had to work with an inept O-line for two years, and must work around Marrone's personnel decisions about "the best 5 players," and who's getting the start or is not even in uniform on game day. I also suspect that Marrone does a whole lot of interfering in offensive planning and in the play-calling. I would love to see some in-depth, investigative reporting by one the crack reporters who follow this team about just how much authority Hackett has, and how much of the God-awful performances week after week are the responsibility/blame of Marrone.

[White Linen]

It's impossible imo to blame Hackett more and above Marrone. I think Doug completely changed his style this year with the players and media alike. It's backfiring big time. The defensive players clearly love playing with each other and the enthusiasm is palpable. You look at the other side of the ball that the head coach is in total command of and there's nothing cohesive about it and they aren't playing for each other.

[K-9]

Yup. But if he finishes 10-6 I think you have to keep him and Hackett.

 

Don't know about that. Even at 10-6, the offense will be looked at as the Achilles heel of this team, as the element that needs to be changed to get to the next level.

 

But if that does occur, I won't be half as pissed about that as you will. I've liked a lot more than I've disliked of these play designs. The All 22 doesn't lie: we CONSTANTLY have more than one receiver open at any given time. Even in the redzone. And it's painfully obvious we don't have a QB that's willing to or can't get the ball to them consistently. Or some other untimely breakdown on the OL kills the play.

 

I understand your frustration with the personnel packages, but that's a work in progress as pieces get added moving forward. I understand why Hackett prefers multiple TEs even if I don't always like it. I'd like to think he can adapt like we did back in the day. Yes, we need the QB of course, but Kelly's offense wasn't created overnight, either.

 

I'd like to think that anyway.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[Kelly the Dog]

Don't know about that. Even at 10-6, the offense will be looked at as the Achilles heel of this team, as the element that needs to be changed to get to the next level.

 

But if that does occur, I won't be half as pissed about that as you will. I've liked a lot more than I've disliked of these play designs. The All 22 doesn't lie: we CONSTANTLY have more than one receiver open at any given time. Even in the redzone. And it's painfully obvious we don't have a QB that's willing to or can't get the ball to them consistently. Or some other untimely breakdown on the OL kills the play.

 

I understand your frustration with the personnel packages, but that's a work in progress as pieces get added moving forward. I understand why Hackett prefers multiple TEs even if I don't always like it. I'd like to think he can adapt like we did back in the day. Yes, we need the QB of course, but Kelly's offense wasn't created overnight, either.

 

I'd like to think that anyway.

 

GO BILLS!!!

IF we finish 10-6 that means we beat the Packers and the Patriots, and that would mean, unless a completely bizarre game, that our offense played well enough to beat a very good team twice. That would be massive improvement right when we needed it most and likely gets us into the playoffs. It would also mean we didn't tank out west against Oakland. I would still blame the offense for not getting into the playoffs if we lose to them, because I felt that they could have done better, but if we finish 10-6 I will totally be in favor of keeping them, not disappointed we have to.

 

I complain about the formations a lot. I think we really ruined a chance at a much better offense. But I also know if Bryce Brown didnt fumble and Chandler didnt flub the recovery we could have easily won the KC game. If Orton hits an open Sammy on fourth down on the final play we win another game. We were close.

 

Hackett is young. Marrone is young. They are less than two years into their careers in these jobs. There is really no apprenticeship for being a Head Coach or Pro OC and calling plays. They can get better. There are things I like about both of them and things I don't like. But if they finish 10-6 I'll be in full favor. I just don't think that is going to happen.

Edited December 9, 2014 by Kelly the Dog

[K-9]

IF we finish 10-6 that means we beat the Packers and the Patriots, and that would mean, unless a completely bizarre game, that our offense played well enough to beat a very good team twice. That would be massive improvement right when we needed it most and likely gets us into the playoffs. It would also mean we didn't tank out west against Oakland. I would still blame the offense for not getting into the playoffs if we lose to them, because I felt that they could have done better, but if we finish 10-6 I will totally be in favor of keeping them, not disappointed we have to.

 

I complain about the formations a lot. I think we really ruined a chance at a much better offense. But I also know if Bryce Brown didnt fumble and Chandler didnt flub the recovery we could have easily won the KC game. If Orton hits an open Sammy on fourth down on the final play we win another game. We were close.

 

Hackett is young. Marrone is young. They are less than two years into their careers in these jobs. There is really no apprenticeship for being a Head Coach or Pro OC and calling plays. They can get better. There are things I like about both of them and things I don't like. But if they finish 10-6 I'll be in full favor. I just don't think that is going to happen.

 

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I think they both stay if 10-6 happens, although I don't know if that means playoffs at this point. There may be a couple 10-6 finishers with better conference records, but until someone says we're out of it, we're gonna win the friggin' SB.

 

But if it WERE a case of a sacrificial lamb having to be offered up, I could see the possibility of Marrone asking Hackett to step down.

 

I appreciate your softening stance on them as well. You may no be as intractable as you let on.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[John from Riverside]

The difficulty I have with all this "fire Hackett" talk is that I'm not at all certain he's the problem. He was saddled with three jamokes at QB last year, now has a dreadful QB who seems to be checking down on every play, has had to work with an inept O-line for two years, and must work around Marrone's personnel decisions about "the best 5 players," and who's getting the start or is not even in uniform on game day. I also suspect that Marrone does a whole lot of interfering in offensive planning and in the play-calling. I would love to see some in-depth, investigative reporting by one the crack reporters who follow this team about just how much authority Hackett has, and how much of the God-awful performances week after week are the responsibility/blame of Marrone.

 

He wasnt checking down every play when he first took the reins

[Fixxxer]

He wasnt checking down every play when he first took the reins

 

The last couple of weeks he's missing guys streaking open in front of him. It's odd.

[SJDK]

I think this off season three things could happen:

 

 

 

2) Whaley instructs DM to fire Hackett and DM refuses. Then DM also gets shown the door. In defense of DM, if I were him I'd argue that it will be difficult to bring in a new OC unless DM's contract is extended as who wants to work for a lame duck coach. If I recall correctly that was the same argument Wade Phillips made to RW at the time, but it didn't work that time either. It's also possible that Whaley puts many conditions on DM hoping he'll not accept them giving him an excuse to fire him. Wade had a a much longer and successful resume than DM does, so for Wade, he could play that card and not worry about getting rehired. For Marrone if he refuses to meet conditions and gets fired, he'll likely struggle to get another shot even in college, so not so sure Doug would be dumb enough to go down that route.

 

So will see what happens in a month, will be very surprised if at least Hackett isn't gone by New Years.

i agree with Whaley wanting to axe Hackett. Before they axed him they brought in the "special assistant" guy from Baltimore and the QB coach from Detroit. It just makes sense to cut bait with him. If Marrone presses to keep Hackett (I actually don't believe he will) then Marrone will be gone. I think we can count on a few things this offseason... 1) Hackett is gone. 2) we acquire 2 guards that will start for us from free agency or the draft. 3)Spiller will be gone unless he signs for a very big hometown discount. 4) We draft a running back and a big WR or tight end. I promise to refer to this the day after the draft

[Fixxxer]

i agree with Whaley wanting to axe Hackett. Before they axed him they brought in the "special assistant" guy from Baltimore and the QB coach from Detroit. It just makes sense to cut bait with him. If Marrone presses to keep Hackett (I actually don't believe he will) then Marrone will be gone. I think we can count on a few things this offseason... 1) Hackett is gone. 2) we acquire 2 guards that will start for us from free agency or the draft. 3)Spiller will be gone unless he signs for a very big hometown discount. 4) We draft a running back and a big WR or tight end. I promise to refer to this the day after the draft

 

I hope we draft another QB. I hope Pegula's personal brand as an owner is to draft one every draft until they find a franchise QB.

Regardless of round, take the QB that gathers the most buzz among scouts.

[Georgia Bill]

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I think they both stay if 10-6 happens, although I don't know if that means playoffs at this point. There may be a couple 10-6 finishers with better conference records, but until someone says we're out of it, we're gonna win the friggin' SB.

 

But if it WERE a case of a sacrificial lamb having to be offered up, I could see the possibility of Marrone asking Hackett to step down.

 

I appreciate your softening stance on them as well. You may no be as intractable as you let on.

 

GO BILLS!!!

You guys are crazy! Marrone and Hackett will both be back next year, even if we go 7-9. They're going to get another chance.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

I think we aquire one guard and the other is on the team now. Richardson with a year under his belt, could be the answer. Henderson wit ha year under his belt and a good guard on one side could make Ubrik, Richardson, or anyone else look much better.

 

 

i agree with Whaley wanting to axe Hackett. Before they axed him they brought in the "special assistant" guy from Baltimore and the QB coach from Detroit. It just makes sense to cut bait with him. If Marrone presses to keep Hackett (I actually don't believe he will) then Marrone will be gone. I think we can count on a few things this offseason... 1) Hackett is gone. 2) we acquire 2 guards that will start for us from free agency or the draft. 3)Spiller will be gone unless he signs for a very big hometown discount. 4) We draft a running back and a big WR or tight end. I promise to refer to this the day after the draft

[Fixxxer]

I think we aquire one guard and the other is on the team now. Richardson with a year under his belt, could be the answer. Henderson wit ha year under his belt and a good guard on one side could make Ubrik, Richardson, or anyone else look much better.

 

Let's hope Kujo can at least be able to be the swing tackle going forward or move inside. The lack of news about him, good or bad, it's alarming.

[Solomon Grundy]

 

 

Who was the Browns #1 overall QB and one of the best WR's in history during BB's tenure?

 

I'll raise u one. Who was the Patriots #1 QB, WR when BB took over?

[FireChan]

I'll raise u one. Who was the Patriots #1 QB, WR when BB took over?

 

He didn't get #1 overall, he got a Hall of Famer in the 6th round.

[BillsVet]

Cant judge a coach or win playoff games without a solid qb that has a decent enough Oline line to keep him upright and to create some holes here and there for the runners.

 

Until then I wouldnt fire anyone because you don't know what kind of coach he is yet.

 

Would it be only appropriate then to judge GM's who can't get decent starting QBs or offensive linemen?

[thewildrabbit]

I don't think Whaley will make any moves on his own. I feel he will wait to see what the new owners think about the team, and take it from there. Then the Pegula's are reported to be interested in hiring a senior adviser as a consultant. I would think that any NFL consultant with a reasonable NFL IQ would suggest making changes to the offensive coaching staff. Quite possibly Marrone along with his entire offensive staff, and most definitely Hackett will be gone. A wasted season with a championship defense, and a JV offense

 

Lets get real here. I just don't see the Bills keeping pace scoring wise with either the Packers or the Patriots. Then the Raiders just managed to beat the 49ers in Oakland with Derek Carr throwing 22 of 28 for 258 yards, 3 TD's. Their opponent in the 49ers currently have the #3 defense in the NFL.

 

7-9 could easily be all she wrote this year.

[BuffOrange]

 

 

I thought Marrone's resume was a bit light on qualifications to be named an NFL Head Coach. Problem is nobody wanted the job!

 

What if Marrone is fired, and NOBODY wants the job again? It just blows the mind that this team has this kind of talent, yet again for 16 years, we can't even get decent QB play, or coaching/play-calling that makes any sense?

 

Funny little secret: the biggest reason big-name coaches don't want this job is even their massive egos know they can't win without a QB. That sorta tells you how overrated those guys actually are.

 

There are still bright young minds that will jump at the chance of taking 1 of 32 precious jobs in the world. You just quite obviously cannot trust Russ Brandon to have any clue on what those guys look like.