Doc Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 I love this school of thought. So by your logic, Andrew Luck who had 18 batted down passes his rookie year, stares down his receivers. How about Matt Ryan, who had 16 last year? Yeah, but in their defense, they looked gooooood when getting them batted down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Wouldn't "getting the arms down" constitute holding? Wouldn't they physically have to bring these arms down by grabbing them and pulling them down? No. The technique involves getting down and attacking the knees of the defender so that their hands come down to protect themselves, assuming that they aren't already engaged enough to have the pass-rusher too off balance to maintain their rushing lane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 No. The technique involves getting down and attacking the knees of the defender so that their hands come down to protect themselves, assuming that they aren't already engaged enough to have the pass-rusher too off balance to maintain their rushing lane. That is correct, but as was pointed out on the Kiwanuka bat, the defender stopped the rush and stepped back to leap for the throw. There was little Urbik could do. It wasn't the case where the DL was able to jump while still engaged in the block. He read the play correctly and batted down the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) That is correct, but as was pointed out on the Kiwanuka bat, the defender stopped the rush and stepped back to leap for the throw. There was little Urbik could do. It wasn't the case where the DL was able to jump while still engaged in the block. He read the play correctly and batted down the ball. That's the one that Wood talked about where he said that it was a designed defensive playcall for the defender to engage, and then drop off into shallow pass coverage underneath. Edited August 4, 2014 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 That's the one that Wood talked about where he said that it was a designed defensive playcall for the defender to engage, and then drop off into shallow pass coverage underneath. Right, so it's hard to blame the OL for that one, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FistingBot Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Nothing worse (on any fan message board) than the pure douchebaggery of a post that contains the phrase "you do realize." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 4, 2014 Author Share Posted August 4, 2014 One of the batted down passes was not even a batted down pass. He literally hit the DL in the shoulder pad, the pass was low, it was not over the top, it was terrible field vision and an awful throw. The INT was just EJ never looking off and the Giants LB knew exactly where EJ was going the whole time. The other batted ball was also EJ staring down the play. So I guess Marrone has no idea what he is talking about...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 This was one Preseason game. To be followed by... They were just preseason games. It's only been a couple of regular season games. We're only halfway through the season. He was injured for part of the season, wait until you see what he does next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 4, 2014 Author Share Posted August 4, 2014 To be fair. EJ is clearly staring down his receivers. It seemed like the D-Line was purposely backing down to bat passes. jPP was no where near the pocket on the play he batted down the pass. BUT IF Mike Williams catches that TD pass he dropped. EJ'a performance looks much better. So like everything with EJ 1 step forward 1 step back and lots of uncertainty. Im actually going to agree with that....I thought EJ did stare down his targets a bit.....and on the play where Urbik didnt knock the defenders hands down he purposly seemed to take a step back and anticipate the pass (in which case Urbike should have taken a step forward and engage him......which you could see he realized a second too late what the DL was doing) Wrong. EJ stared down all of his receivers, so badly, that if you go and look at his last batted pass, the defender dropped away from his rush and was able to get his hands up to knock EJs pass down. He actually just stopped rushing on the play it was that bad. The offensive lineman(not sure who it was) almost fell forward a little... what should he have done? it's not football 101 in any way, in fact, it's called holding. Further evidence of EJs inability to look anyone off was his near INT. It was so bad that the linebacker didn't even have to watch the route. Sorry pal, EJs flaws are entirely his own, and 100% due to his play. Im not going to debate that EJ was staring down his receivers (because he was) however that is a thing that a LOT of young QB's do and not just EJ.....it is the OL's responsibility to engage the DL and not allow him to get his timing to knock down a pass.....case in point with Urbike.....when that DL took that step back Urbik should have take a step forward....and when the DL puts his hands up you SHOVE him to take him off balance and force the OL to bring his hands down.... It IS footbal 101.....which is why I am explaining it....and the reason why Marrone made mention of it last night Every D lineman in every game has his hands up at some point when the QB is dropping back. One of the tallest QBs has to see what's right in front of him (ober and over). Roll out, pump fake....something. The O-linemen can't get away with holding on every play... Its not holding.....that is why a OL is allowed to place his hands inside......all you have to do to keep them from jumping is give them a shove when they attempt to jump. Look...this isnt that difficult to understand and I dont want to fight about it. No. The technique involves getting down and attacking the knees of the defender so that their hands come down to protect themselves, assuming that they aren't already engaged enough to have the pass-rusher too off balance to maintain their rushing lane. You dont even have to be that extreme......you just give them a shove to the mid section and the DL will bring their hands down to balance themselves.....or they dont extend their wingspan all the way out because they are off balance. You dont have to hold at all to accomplish this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikef272002 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 This was one Preseason game. Right, but thats what we have said for the last 13 years after the first preseason game.. So ya, it's one preseason game, but they gave me no reason to think they're the same old Bills.. BUt ya, it's just one preseason game, your right...Same as the past 13 first preseason games.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You herd it hear last Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Whenever our defensive line swats passes, we praise them for their play, we never say the other QB sucks because we swatted a pass. It's a weird dynamic. There's nothing weird about a double standard in an irrational mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyHorseAteTheKid Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 I'll wait for Ron Jawarski to rip EJ for his machanics, before I jump on the 'Draft Bust' bandwagon!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You herd it hear last Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Wasn't Carrington good at batting down passes? I recall one of our recent guys being proficient at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Does that count the 3rd one where the defender in a vanilla preseason scheme did nothing on the play except drop back away from the online and react to EJs throw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Right, so it's hard to blame the OL for that one, no? Correct. That's just one of those situations where the defense runs a stunt, and guesses right, so they break the play. Stunts like that, or jail break blitzes, etc. are almost impossible to account for. They are huge gambles by a defense that, when they guess wrong, or fail, can lead to huge chunk yardage by the offense, but stop a play in it's tracks when guessed correctly. There isn't much a QB, offesnive lineman, or anyone else, can do to read these types of stunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Right, but thats what we have said for the last 13 years after the first preseason game.. So ya, it's one preseason game, but they gave me no reason to think they're the same old Bills.. BUt ya, it's just one preseason game, your right...Same as the past 13 first preseason games.. EJ went 16/21 w/ a TD in his first pre-season game last year. I know it's in the DNA for 90% of Bills fans (and god-given right) to irrationally B word and moan after the first "pre-pre-season" game of the year, but he threw seven passes last night. Seven. Not sure I'm willing to compare his two series of below-average QB play last night to the previous 13 years of failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Right, but thats what we have said for the last 13 years after the first preseason game.. So ya, it's one preseason game, but they gave me no reason to think they're the same old Bills.. BUt ya, it's just one preseason game, your right...Same as the past 13 first preseason games.. EJ has been here all 13 of those years!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 EJ has been here all 13 of those years!!!! Not to mention that in those past 13 years, even if our 1s looked semi-OK, our 2s and 3s would often get outplayed by the other teams 2s and 3s (lack of depth). I didn't see that so much last night... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 4, 2014 Author Share Posted August 4, 2014 Not to mention that in those past 13 years, even if our 1s looked semi-OK, our 2s and 3s would often get outplayed by the other teams 2s and 3s (lack of depth). I didn't see that so much last night... Heitz, I noticed that as well....it looks like not only is our talent level with our 1s getting much better....but the depth behind them are also looking much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Not to mention that in those past 13 years, even if our 1s looked semi-OK, our 2s and 3s would often get outplayed by the other teams 2s and 3s (lack of depth). I didn't see that so much last night... In fact, what we saw was the Giants leave their starting offense in an extra series so they could make up for being so bad the first two, followed by leaving their #2's in for a good while after the Bills had switched to their 3's. Both Giants TDs happened while they were mismatching strings against the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerstm Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 I saw that also. I'm not real worried about the batted passes in preseason.. wait.. the only thing I'mreally worry about in preseason is injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Perhaps Marrone will be prone to blame others but his QB, but he should get that out of his system quick. The O-line won't enjot that for long (see E. Wood after the Tampa game last year). I love this school of thought. So by your logic, Andrew Luck who had 18 batted down passes his rookie year, stares down his receivers. How about Matt Ryan, who had 16 last year? EJ, in 10 games had 4.... But you've already made up your mind about EJ, so there's not point in having a rational discussion that it could in fact be the OL's fault. If Luck stares down his receivers, he has a much better result while doing it, by that logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 4, 2014 Author Share Posted August 4, 2014 Perhaps Marrone will be prone to blame others but his QB, but he should get that out of his system quick. The O-line won't enjot that for long (see E. Wood after the Tampa game last year). If Luck stares down his receivers, he has a much better result while doing it, by that logic. WEO I see that you have this strong desire to be right here no matter what.......but now your saying that the HC who has MUCH more experience with not only football then you (and me) but in particular offensive linemen doesnt know what he is talking about..... Please just chew on that for a second? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 WEO I see that you have this strong desire to be right here no matter what.......but now your saying that the HC who has MUCH more experience with not only football then you (and me) but in particular offensive linemen doesnt know what he is talking about..... Please just chew on that for a second? John, coaches come and go. They are all geniuses when they get here, and bums when they go. You know all that. I'm not doubting Marrone knows more about football than all of us combined. Whether he is a good HC in the NFL is still in doubt. Who he publicly choses to blame (or why he choses to publicly blame anyone, for that matter) is a calculated risk on his part. That is my point. I'm just disagreeing with you. Relax.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair GM Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 sometimes I wonder what game people are watching. The JPP swat was NOT on Henderson. He handled JPP that play, JPP took a drop step when he realized he wasn't getting any push. EJ threw it right at him...EJ's fault. 2nd swat was on Urbik. Williams's near TD...tough to catch anything when the DB has your inside arm hooked. Am I alone in seeing how dominant Stefan Charles was? Dude was in the backfield every play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Batted balls have never been a problem for EJ and I doubt they will be going forward. But that one intended for Sammy in the right flat was a stare job all the way. He never deeked the D at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 4, 2014 Author Share Posted August 4, 2014 sometimes I wonder what game people are watching. The JPP swat was NOT on Henderson. He handled JPP that play, JPP took a drop step when he realized he wasn't getting any push. EJ threw it right at him...EJ's fault. 2nd swat was on Urbik. Williams's near TD...tough to catch anything when the DB has your inside arm hooked. Am I alone in seeing how dominant Stefan Charles was? Dude was in the backfield every play. The JPP play was just odd......Henderson SHOULD have been on JPP but instead went to help inside (when the OG didnt really need help)....had he been with JPP he probably doesnt swat that ball I totally agree that Mike Williams was armbarred....should have been a flag and 1st and goal. I thought Ej put the ball right where it needed to be on that play I was commenting on Charles last night......this guy should absolutely be the first reserve after Williams and Darius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 For those that Tivo'd the game.....go back and watch one of the swatted passes and look at Urbik's reaction afterwords....he knew that it was his responsibility to get the D linemen's hands down and didnt........and was upset after the play. For the record....not saying that EJ played well....its really hard to say one way or the other on 7 passes.......but let me ask everyone. If Mike Willaims comes down with that TD....what are the impressions of EJ Manuel this morning? Even if Sammy & Williams caught those passes, that wouldn't have changed my impression. He just does not look comfortable and fluid as a QB, everything just looks forced. I was hoping to see him look like he can play... I am neither an EJ hater, nor an apologist. I have been guilty in the past of getting my hopes up for a sh!tty QB; just not playing the game this time... GG summed EJ up the best in the "Ej looked calm and in control thread" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Even if Sammy & Williams caught those passes, that wouldn't have changed my impression. He just does not look comfortable and fluid as a QB, everything just looks forced. I was hoping to see him look like he can play... I am neither an EJ hater, nor an apologist. I have been guilty in the past of getting my hopes up for a sh!tty QB; just not playing the game this time... GG summed EJ up the best in the "Ej looked calm and in control thread" Well at least you have an open mind. A lot of smart people make judgements after 1 season. Moulds is a bust! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I actually dont think Sammy held up on the deep route...it looked to me like he got redirected a bit by the corner which altered his route and slowed him down...... Believe Sammy said something to that regard - that the corner forced him a bit wide, that he and EJ need to keep working on the fade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Believe Sammy said something to that regard - that the corner forced him a bit wide, that he and EJ need to keep working on the fade They had 2 series in game 1 of a 5 game preseason. That's more than enough time. Cut them both! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Well at least you have an open mind. A lot of smart people make judgements after 1 season. Moulds is a bust! Moulds sucked so bad his first couple seasons.... I have never said I am giving up on EJ. I am just concerned as hell; as it hurts this team in sooo many ways. I have learned enough through the years that it is ok to be critical. I root for him every play. I say the positives and the negatives. At the times the guy can throw a great ball and make things happen, other times it is over thrown or short (it happens to almost every young QB). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Moulds sucked so bad his first couple seasons.... I have never said I am giving up on EJ. I am just concerned as hell; as it hurts this team in sooo many ways. I have learned enough through the years that it is ok to be critical. I root for him every play. I say the positives and the negatives. At the times the guy can throw a great ball and make things happen, other times it is over thrown or short (it happens to almost every young QB). Fair enough. And I get freakjng out after game 4 of the regular season. But after game 1 of a 5 game preseason? Personally, that mindset would make me go insane. But to each his own. Personally, I love watching young players develop. It's the NFL. It's suppose to be hard. And while EJ certainly has his faults, I love the guy's mental makeup. Time will tell if he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Fair enough. And I get freakjng out after game 4 of the regular season. But after game 1 of a 5 game preseason? Personally, that mindset would make me go insane. But to each his own. Personally, I love watching young players develop. It's the NFL. It's suppose to be hard. And while EJ certainly has his faults, I love the guy's mental makeup. Time will tell if he does. I can deal with watching any position develop; except QB. I have been in Cali since 2010 so I haven't been to camp since '09. The reports are meh thus far and I was hoping that he would at least look more the part...That being said I wish they left him in longer; hopefully he plays a quite bit on Friday. The more he is on the field and plays against other teams the better.... I said in another thread, all we have is EJ; there is no other answer on this roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 Even if Sammy & Williams caught those passes, that wouldn't have changed my impression. He just does not look comfortable and fluid as a QB, everything just looks forced. I was hoping to see him look like he can play... I am neither an EJ hater, nor an apologist. I have been guilty in the past of getting my hopes up for a sh!tty QB; just not playing the game this time... GG summed EJ up the best in the "Ej looked calm and in control thread" Im sorry but if that is ****ty QB play then there are literally only 5 qbs in the league that meet your expectations and your just setting yourself up for dissapointment. Ely Manning looked like **** against our 1st team D.......and is a former Super Bowl QB.....does he also look forced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 I can deal with watching any position develop; except QB. I have been in Cali since 2010 so I haven't been to camp since '09. The reports are meh thus far and I was hoping that he would at least look more the part...That being said I wish they left him in longer; hopefully he plays a quite bit on Friday. The more he is on the field and plays against other teams the better.... I said in another thread, all we have is EJ; there is no other answer on this roster. Reed but you do understand that the QB position is the one position that you HAVE to develop the most right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Even if Sammy & Williams caught those passes, that wouldn't have changed my impression. He just does not look comfortable and fluid as a QB, everything just looks forced. I was hoping to see him look like he can play... I am neither an EJ hater, nor an apologist. I have been guilty in the past of getting my hopes up for a sh!tty QB; just not playing the game this time... GG summed EJ up the best in the "Ej looked calm and in control thread" I agree with this but not because it's in EJ's nature but because he tried to connect with his new WRs and had only one offensive series to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Im sorry but if that is ****ty QB play then there are literally only 5 qbs in the league that meet your expectations and your just setting yourself up for dissapointment. Ely Manning looked like **** against our 1st team D.......and is a former Super Bowl QB.....does he also look forced? First, Eli is an int machine and he is not elite, good but not elite. He is also learning a new offense and our D is pretty good at pass rushing.... Trent Dilfer & Brad Johnson are also former SB winning QBs...Just because a QB played in a SB does not make him a good/great QB. Second I am a lifelong Bills fan, do you really want to talk about setting yourself up for disappointment? LOL Now, the only way to win in this league nowadays is with a QB; it is a QB driven league. You must have one. Why do the Pats* always beat our ass (besides cheating of course)? Why did we whoop everyone else asses in the 90's our QB was better than theirs... I don't want us to be like the Bungles with Dalton or even the Cowgirls with Romo, good enough to keep but you aren't going anywhere with him. I also don't want us to be like the Jags or Vikes and draft another QB a few years after and we now have to replace other younger players as contracts are coming due and we can't afford them all. Again more wasted time. My goal isn't just getting playoffs, you play to win the whole damn thing and that is what our blue print needs to be. All in on EJ is the right move, we don't have the time to develop 2 and an experienced backup is a controversy waiting to happen. Could you imagine we had Vick or similar? Look at what this board is like with Tuel. If EJ isn't the guy, we don't have his replacement on our roster. Wait to you see the board if we do an RG3 trade in 2016 for a QB. Last year we went for a QB, honestly I wouldn't have chosen any of them - I see it as another busted class. Another comment is that our coaches have sucked this century as well and yes I know that things seem to be turning around. Hackett didn't impress much last year and don't get me started on Crossman. I am not sure if Hacket and our new QB coach are the right people to help EJ; I hope they are, but I am skeptical. Stafford is is an int machine as well. We can all say this is a different time, but we have said that in the past too...I root and hope like everyone else and want nothing more than to see the Bills win, but EJ needs to progress. His camp reports have been iffy and his play, yes just a couple series and a few throws in the game feels just like last year and he needs to progress this year... Yeah I do have high expectations of QB play, why do we have to settle for mediocrity? As fans of this team, we have grown accustomed to Collins, Van Pelt, Johnson, Flutie, old and decrepit Bledsoe, JP, Edwards, Holcumb, Fitz and everyone is either a "hater" or "apologist". Since when is it a bad thing to actually hope we have a winner for a QB? Since when is it a bad thing to say his play has been concerning to date (some good and some bad)? A few mis-fires or mis-reads are expected, his stature and presence in the pocket is lacking, he stares his WRs down and he looks like a robot out there...he doesn't look like he "plays" the game. Call me a concerned fan Reed but you do understand that the QB position is the one position that you HAVE to develop the most right? Do you think we have the right coaches to develop him? I agree with this but not because it's in EJ's nature but because he tried to connect with his new WRs and had only one offensive series to do so. Did he look any different than last season? How have his camp reports been thus far? He has played with these WRs in Camp, Sammy and Williams may be new, but Woods (who played with the 2nd stringers) and the rest were on the squad last year too... What about not adjusting after the 1st blocked pass, or even the second? What about staring his WRs down? It is like you can't even discuss or share concerns, either you hate or are an apologist..How many times have we all hoped that x QB would develop and ended up with the same result??? Damn I sound sooo jaded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 First, Eli is an int machine and he is not elite, good but not elite. He is also learning a new offense and our D is pretty good at pass rushing.... Trent Dilfer & Brad Johnson are also former SB winning QBs...Just because a QB played in a SB does not make him a good/great QB. Second I am a lifelong Bills fan, do you really want to talk about setting yourself up for disappointment? LOL Now, the only way to win in this league nowadays is with a QB; it is a QB driven league. You must have one. Why do the Pats* always beat our ass (besides cheating of course)? Why did we whoop everyone else asses in the 90's our QB was better than theirs... I don't want us to be like the Bungles with Dalton or even the Cowgirls with Romo, good enough to keep but you aren't going anywhere with him. I also don't want us to be like the Jags or Vikes and draft another QB a few years after and we now have to replace other younger players as contracts are coming due and we can't afford them all. Again more wasted time. My goal isn't just getting playoffs, you play to win the whole damn thing and that is what our blue print needs to be. All in on EJ is the right move, we don't have the time to develop 2 and an experienced backup is a controversy waiting to happen. Could you imagine we had Vick or similar? Look at what this board is like with Tuel. If EJ isn't the guy, we don't have his replacement on our roster. Wait to you see the board if we do an RG3 trade in 2016 for a QB. Last year we went for a QB, honestly I wouldn't have chosen any of them - I see it as another busted class. Another comment is that our coaches have sucked this century as well and yes I know that things seem to be turning around. Hackett didn't impress much last year and don't get me started on Crossman. I am not sure if Hacket and our new QB coach are the right people to help EJ; I hope they are, but I am skeptical. Stafford is is an int machine as well. We can all say this is a different time, but we have said that in the past too...I root and hope like everyone else and want nothing more than to see the Bills win, but EJ needs to progress. His camp reports have been iffy and his play, yes just a couple series and a few throws in the game feels just like last year and he needs to progress this year... Yeah I do have high expectations of QB play, why do we have to settle for mediocrity? As fans of this team, we have grown accustomed to Collins, Van Pelt, Johnson, Flutie, old and decrepit Bledsoe, JP, Edwards, Holcumb, Fitz and everyone is either a "hater" or "apologist". Since when is it a bad thing to actually hope we have a winner for a QB? Since when is it a bad thing to say his play has been concerning to date (some good and some bad)? A few mis-fires or mis-reads are expected, his stature and presence in the pocket is lacking, he stares his WRs down and he looks like a robot out there...he doesn't look like he "plays" the game. Call me a concerned fan Do you think we have the right coaches to develop him? Did he look any different than last season? How have his camp reports been thus far? He has played with these WRs in Camp, Sammy and Williams may be new, but Woods (who played with the 2nd stringers) and the rest were on the squad last year too... What about not adjusting after the 1st blocked pass, or even the second? What about staring his WRs down? It is like you can't even discuss or share concerns, either you hate or are an apologist..How many times have we all hoped that x QB would develop and ended up with the same result??? Damn I sound sooo jaded Damn Reed....that is a lot - First....and off the top. I am in no way not calling you a true bills fan. - You say that we need a QB....but in our conversation the names came up of at least 3 QB's come up in the conversation......EJ Manuel does NOT have to become a top 5 QB in order for this team to win the Super Bowl - The patriots are brought up.....but what teams have been a thorn in the patriots side.......The GIANTS.......and the JETS....never of those teams had top 5 QBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 You tried to make this point 6 times last might. Completely unconvincing. Coach Marrone agreed with him on the post game PC. Having played OLine in the NFL I take Coach Marrone's word for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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