KOKBILLS Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Sure did. Here's the full transcript. http://www.noodls.co...45xxx1400960414 Wow!...Just... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Obvi. Weed is way worse than beating a women. It's not about what's worse, it's about what affects the game. Substances do. Personal issues don't. The NFL isn't a court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's Tailor Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 It's not about what's worse, it's about what affects the game. Substances do. Personal issues don't. The NFL isn't a court. Weed is a PED? That's news to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Weed is a PED? That's news to me. Pot Enabling Drug. had to try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) Weed is a PED? That's news to me. Didn't say it was. The NFL has strict rules about drug use because of the possible effects on the game. They don't judge things based on morality. That's not their MO. They aren't the law. Acting like they should be is stupid. There's a personal life and a professional life. The NFL shouldn't and doesn't try to bridge those gaps. Edited July 24, 2014 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jo39416 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 It's not about what's worse, it's about what affects the game. Substances do. Personal issues don't. The NFL isn't a court. Oh, so this doesn't negatively affect how people feel about the game. Gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 wtf - Chris Mortensen @mortreport 1m Ray Rice's additional game check fine docked from 2013 base salary of $1 million, not 2014 base of $4 million. That's $58,823 vs. $235,294 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) Oh, so this doesn't negatively affect how people feel about the game. Gotcha. I didn't say it made sense, I said that's how the rules work. And no, are you gonna boycott the NFL now? Let me be clear, the Ravens organization should be the ones doing something. The commissioner shouldn't go above the rules on a moral whim. Edited July 24, 2014 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard bills fan Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Harbaugh said Rice made a mistake. No, a mistake is when you buy Cheerios and your wife wanted corn flakes. Rice committed a felony. This. It's unbelievable he only got 2 games. I think this will turn into a huge blackeye for the NFL after the media runs with it. I hope he is required to undergo mandatory counseling by the NFL? This is domestic violence and needs to be dealt with strongly. My fear is this was not the first time or the last time this will happen with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 wtf - Chris Mortensen @mortreport 1m Ray Rice's additional game check fine docked from 2013 base salary of $1 million, not 2014 base of $4 million. That's $58,823 vs. $235,294 im sure thats following standard protocol there. im not familiar with it, but it would be strange if it wasnt. This. It's unbelievable he only got 2 games. I think this will turn into a huge blackeye for the NFL after the media runs with it. I hope he is required to undergo mandatory counseling by the NFL? This is domestic violence and needs to be dealt with strongly. My fear is this was not the first time or the last time this will happen with him. he is mandated counseling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 It's not about what's worse, it's about what affects the game. Substances do. Personal issues don't. The NFL isn't a court. I see what you are saying . way to go nfl.. ....yea...........Go Irsay ! im sure thats following standard protocol there. im not familiar with it, but it would be strange if it wasnt. he is mandated counseling. with protocol . i would agree . The mandated counseling is really swell . The woman was dragged. not lovingly carried or close even . And its for all the world to see . Ray Rice aint right . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Didn't say it was. The NFL has strict rules about drug use because of the possible effects on the game. They don't judge things based on morality. That's not their MO. They aren't the law. Acting like they should be is stupid. There's a personal life and a professional life. The NFL shouldn't and doesn't try to bridge those gaps. If they didn't try to "bridge those gaps" there would be no suspension at all. The fact that there is a suspension means that what's you're saying is a load of bunk. They NFL absolutely has a code of conduct and the commish has pretty much carte blanche to dole out punishments as he sees fit. Apparently, knocking out your fiance is worthy of 2 games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 If they didn't try to "bridge those gaps" there would be no suspension at all. The fact that there is a suspension means that what's you're saying is a load of bunk. They NFL absolutely has a code of conduct and the commish has pretty much carte blanche to dole out punishments as he sees fit. Apparently, knocking out your fiance is worthy of 2 games... You're right. My mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 If they didn't try to "bridge those gaps" there would be no suspension at all. The fact that there is a suspension means that what's you're saying is a load of bunk. They NFL absolutely has a code of conduct and the commish has pretty much carte blanche to dole out punishments as he sees fit. Apparently, knocking out your fiance is worthy of 2 games... It probably would have been only a one game suspension if it wasn't for the look that Rice gave to the dude standing outside the elevator when he was dragging her out. Like, "Oh, fuk, now I have to deal with THIS yahoo who just saw me drag my knocked out wife out of the elevator?!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) So the NFL is saying to all these kids watching.... 'Beat your woman....just don't be smoking weed when you do it!" wonder if that would cancel itself out? Or don't hit your dog while beating a women, or smoke weed. Amazing the leniency towards domestic violence by the NFL. And how is he not in jail. Edited July 25, 2014 by RyanC883 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Weed is a PED? That's news to me. What?? It is absolutely a PED Try going to a phish concert with and without. Def enhances that performance Getting frisky? See how well you rock that after engaging in some enhancement. A whole new level. Maybe not for football. But def a PED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 What?? It is absolutely a PED Try going to a phish concert with and without. Def enhances that performance Getting frisky? See how well you rock that after engaging in some enhancement. A whole new level. Maybe not for football. But def a PED A penis enhancing drug? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJasper Probincrux III Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 So Keith Olbermann goes on a giant rant on this topic tonight - then has Darryl Strawberry on later in the show to shill his new book. smh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 wherever you stand on the number of games deserved, i feel like i have seen a lot of false equivalency issues in the discussions (ive seen both comparisons to gordon who is a 3 time offender in a negotiated drug system, and also incognito which exposes the nfl to workplace issues). Exactly on Gordon. That was my point. It's comparing apples to oranges. Gordon follows the strict substance abuse policy which is spelled out in the CBA. Now Incognito although different due to harassment still falls under the personal misconduct policy so you can in essence compare the two as they fall in the same bucket. One can argue the merits of what is worse and what should be the punishment, but they are still under the venue of personal misconduct. Roethlisberger got 4 games I think. Actually I think it was 6.... It was 4. I'm positive on that one, as the buzz was how the back up was able to get them to come out 3-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Lastly, the court ordered counseling is from just that, the courts which is standard in domestic violence crimes. The NFL nor the Ravens can mandate counseling as it is not in their CBA. It's what the players agreed two years ago and stands for 8 more years. It may not be right, but it's a fact. The issue is there should be some type of change negotiated in the next CBA. This goes towards drug abuse as well as some of these issues. Someone like Josh Gordon really needs to get into an extensive rehab facility to dry out, and work on his issues. His issues go beyond just wanting to get high every once in awhile. Lastly, there is speculation Goodell was lenient with Rice as he's been in the past a model player and good in the community for 6 years. I'm not taking this opinion, just sharing what is the speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Exactly on Gordon. That was my point. It's comparing apples to oranges. Gordon follows the strict substance abuse policy which is spelled out in the CBA. Now Incognito although different due to harassment still falls under the personal misconduct policy so you can in essence compare the two as they fall in the same bucket. One can argue the merits of what is worse and what should be the punishment, but they are still under the venue of personal misconduct. It was 4. I'm positive on that one, as the buzz was how the back up was able to get them to come out 3-1. I understand they are both conduct - but was pointing out one was in the workplace and exposed the league to legal liability while the other was only tied to the nfl because a guy that did something terrible on his own time, nowhere near team facilities/functions happened to be a player. It makes sense to me that the nfl would be more aggressive in locker room conduct than casino elevator conduct within that bucket. And I believe Big Ben got 6 but by completing some programs etc.... Had it reduced to 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Firstly let me start by saying I have never been violent with my wife or children but would be violent with anyone who attempted to harm her or my children in any way. That said I believe it is a shame the NFL does not have a "rule" about things like this. When this situation happened no rule was in place and the NFL should not be giving the room to make a "rule" at the time. This is a "rule" that needs to be made but you cannot change laws when you see something happen and then enforce them towards those who broke these laws before they were in existence. That said if there is already a "rule" in place and they did not enforce it that shame on them! As far as game suspensions that should be up to the team. I believe they should just suspend the paycheck as the suspension is more a harm for the team then the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 This. It's unbelievable he only got 2 games. I think this will turn into a huge blackeye for the NFL after the media runs with it. I hope he is required to undergo mandatory counseling by the NFL? This is domestic violence and needs to be dealt with strongly. My fear is this was not the first time or the last time this will happen with him. When was the last time the media 'ran with' a story about domestic violence? Unfortunately, we as a society don't care about violence toward women. If we did, Ray Rice would be sitting in a prison cell for the next five years. Wife beaters are rarely if ever punished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Deadspin @Deadspin 52s Keith Olbermann took down the NFL last night for the Ray Rice fiasco: http://deadsp.in/j2KD3Bt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jo39416 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/24/john-harbaugh-ray-rice-is-a-heck-of-a-guy-who-made-a-mistake/ I wish someone at that news conference had the balls to ask John if he would have felt that way if it was his daughter who was dragged out of that elevator. Continues to be disgusting behavior all around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 I haven't read through this thread so I apologize if it is beating a dead horse but this is appalling and disappointing. This was Goodell's chance to send a message on a topic that is WAY too prevalent amongst athletes. He should have gotten 8 games (twice a PED suspension). The way that people are being punished is starting to resemble the inconsistent manner in which the NHL punishes people. This was a big, fat fail for Roger Goodell and the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 I think everyone is missing the bigger picture here. Don't think of this as another example of the NFL doing something stupid. Think of it a perfectly good reason to tell DirecTV that they can cancel your NFL Sunday Ticket automatic renewal because you have no intention of providing money to an organization that clearly has no problem with men beating their wives. Stay focused, people. Get the Ticket for free! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Security Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Exactly on Gordon. That was my point. It's comparing apples to oranges. Gordon follows the strict substance abuse policy which is spelled out in the CBA. Now Incognito although different due to harassment still falls under the personal misconduct policy so you can in essence compare the two as they fall in the same bucket. One can argue the merits of what is worse and what should be the punishment, but they are still under the venue of personal misconduct. It was 4. I'm positive on that one, as the buzz was how the back up was able to get them to come out 3-1. I think it now was actually 6, but they challenged, and it was reduced to 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 First Take getting blasted for their show today on this: http://deadspin.com/first-take-discusses-a-womans-responsibility-to-avoid-b-1610831462 … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 First Take getting blasted for their show today on this: http://deadspin.com/first-take-discusses-a-womans-responsibility-to-avoid-b-1610831462 … Michelle Beadle was attacking them on twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Roger Goodell To NFL Players: 'Murdering Your Wife Will Result In Automatic 4-Game Suspension' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Roger Goodell To NFL Players: 'Murdering Your Wife Will Result In Automatic 4-Game Suspension' Later, when asked why three prominent NFL players received no suspensions for murdering their wife, Goodell stated, "We are a zero tolerance league when it comes to murdering your wife, unless, of course, she deserved it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufcomments Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Hey... She still married him after that.... She must be bat sh?t crazy!!! Not surprising she stayed. Big Money = Big drama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Michelle Beadle was attacking them on twitter. Stephen A. might be suspended for longer than Ray Rice. He's been feverishly apologizing on Twitter for the past few hours but keeps putting his foot back in his mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 If Rice was on the rams and not the ravens the suspension would be longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 If Rice was on the rams and not the ravens the suspension would be longer. He surely isn't the first to be charged with this - I'd imagine there's precedent here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 He surely isn't the first to be charged with this - I'd imagine there's precedent here. The NFL is a perception business. The tapes of Rice were just brutal. People saw it. This is just a flat bad PR move because of the video. It doesn't really matter what the precedent is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section242 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Stephen A. might be suspended for longer than Ray Rice. He's been feverishly apologizing on Twitter for the past few hours but keeps putting his foot back in his mouth. They once did a whole show on Skip Bayless being called out for averaging like .6 points per game on a high school basketball team after saying he was like Pete Maravich. Short of saying a racist comment or sexually harassment ESPN wouldn't do anything to hurt ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) The NFL is a perception business. The tapes of Rice were just brutal. People saw it. This is just a flat bad PR move because of the video. It doesn't really matter what the precedent is. Oh, I get it. I was just making a bit of a point in reply to the fact that the logo on his helmet is the deciding factor. I'd imagine to the nflpa the precedent still matters a lot even if fans are outraged. I'm not sure what the last few guys that beat a wife got but I'm guessing that the fact that it's not in the headlines as "rice gets 2 games while joe wifebeater got 6" means that the 2 is probably standard, if not a little stronger due to the video Edited July 25, 2014 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Later, when asked why three prominent NFL players received no suspensions for murdering their wife, Goodell stated, "We are a zero tolerance league when it comes to murdering your wife, unless, of course, she deserved it." Probably provoked him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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