Rocky Landing Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Maybe I'm still a little allergic to the no-huddle since Jauron's disastrous attempts. But, I'm a little wary of Hackett's plans for a no-huddle offense. I do believe we have the front line for it. An effective no-huddle, imo, requires giving the QB time in the pocket. I suspect EJ will have that. But, I also think that an effective no-huddle requires a lot more experience-- not just under center, but in our receivers, as well. We've given EJ a lot of weapons to succeed (hopefully, including protection). I just hope that the pace of a no-huddle isn't setting him up for failure. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 More plays, more opportunities. Run as many as you can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I don't mind the no huddle at all. I'd would like to see us vary the pace, however. Much easier to catch the defense leaning the wrong way when you do that. Slowing the pace may actually allow the D to get a subpackage on the field that you like to match up against and speeding it up keeps that personnel on the field. OLine is key and EJ has to have TOTAL command of the situation. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 It's a double edge sword. The more plays they run the better. At the same time, going 3 and out in a minute isn't doing our defense any favors. If they find a way to run the no huddle effectively them yes. If they don't have it working by the 3rd game I say they slow it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I would like to see them employ it as needed. I think the genius of how this offense has been constructed (at least on paper) is its versatility. Jackson, Spiller and Brown combined with the beef up front means the Bills can slow it down and pound the rock whenever they need to. But the talents of SWAT, Williams, Goodwin and Woods, the Bills can also open it up, spread the field and play speed ball. Football is about the match ups, I think having the ability to go no huddle for an entire game or being able to deploy a ground and pound game plan any given week can be a weapon. It would keep defenses off guard and play to the Bills' strengths and their opponents' weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I like the no huddle ... when it's appropriate. We shouldn't be married to it. If it's not being effective, abandon it. When it's effective, it tires the opposing defense. When it's ineffective, it tires OUR defense. And if we are up by 2 scores or more, don't use the no huddle. Kill the clock. I'd just like to see them be smart about it. If used properly, I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle flap Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 No-huddle ≠ Hurry up They can run no-huddle the entire game. The key is getting to the line quickly, but there's no reason they need to snap the ball right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) No-huddle ≠ Hurry up They can run no-huddle the entire game. The key is getting to the line quickly, but there's no reason they need to snap the ball right away. The no huddle is designed to be a hurry up offense. You're right in what you said but I believe the bills average something around 21 seconds between plays last year which was the fastest in the nfl last season. It's true, hurry up is a faster offense but they ran the no huddle with a hurry up mentality. Edited July 12, 2014 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogger Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I don't like no huddle for the sake of no huddle. I like switching it up. After a successful play, run up to the line or when you see a clear advantage, but sometimes huddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 The no-huddle should be used sometimes. An offense completely devoted to it is foolish IMO. An offense should change pace as the defense adjusts. Keep them on their heels. You need to be nearly unstoppable on offense to run the no-huddle full time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle flap Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 The no huddle is designed to be a hurry up offense. You're right in what you said but I believe the bills average something around 21 seconds between plays last year which was the fastest in the nfl last season. It's true, hurry up is a faster offense but they ran the no huddle with a hurry up mentality. Oh I realize that- I just thought it was worth mentioning that they don't have to hurry while running a no-huddle. I think that with their personnel and their packages, they should push the pace the majority of the time. I also think that people wouldn't be so critical of the no-huddle if we had seen better execution last year. Moving the chains and putting up points are the most important things, regardless of the tempo. You need to be nearly unstoppable on offense to run the no-huddle full time. I'm glad that this is what the Bills are aspiring to do- be unstoppable. Quite a far cry from Jauron's "play not to lose" mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 If I think of "hurry up" and/or "no huddle" offenses, I immediately think of two QBs. Jim Kelly and Peyton Manning. I love me some EJ, but ... ... there's a reason not many teams exclusively use a hurry up offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I'd prefer to see a more methodical approach in our offense. Use the no-huddle, only when necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 If I think of "hurry up" and/or "no huddle" offenses, I immediately think of two QBs. Jim Kelly and Peyton Manning. I love me some EJ, but ... ... there's a reason not many teams exclusively use a hurry up offense. That's a bingo!! You design your offense around your QB...not your QB around your offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 It's not that simple. It depends on the team we play, their strengths, and what we are doing well in that game. A variable tempo makes more sense and knowing when and how to effectively go back and forth. Someone mentioned Kelly and Manning. Brady is one of the best at it, but you don't see the Pats doing it for an entire game. An easy example is why the hell did we maintain the no huddle up tempo offense at the end of our home opener when we were up? Why did we not bleed off time and make it very difficult to have Brady go all the way down the field. I saw Hackett improve with his scheming later in the year. When we do run an up tempo offense we need to ensure a lot of running designed plays, and vary the formations more. I would have loved to se us go to a spread when we run Spiller or Brown out there vs. big packages with FJ and Dixon. I'd rather see us run a much slower ground and pound at different times in some games. The downside of the no huddle is of you don't move the chains as we didn't last year, we gased out our defense, hence why they were 10th vs. much higher. Hackett needs to take a step forward in game planning and maturing in his approach with being more adaptive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 That's a bingo!! You design your offense around your QB...not your QB around your offense. With the qb carousel we had last season, we can only hope hackett figured that out. I think EJ was fine in it, but the others struggled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 If I think of "hurry up" and/or "no huddle" offenses, I immediately think of two QBs. Jim Kelly and Peyton Manning. I love me some EJ, but ... ... there's a reason not many teams exclusively use a hurry up offense. By the same token though it makes it easier for the QB to get into a rhythm and for the defense has less time to show exotic fronts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 With the qb carousel we had last season, we can only hope hackett figured that out. I think EJ was fine in it, but the others struggled. A no-huddle offense requires a no-huddle QB. EJ hasn't shown he can consistently execute those kind of plays at the pro level. How great would it be if this staff worked on re-establishing the RUN? With all this talk about the NFL turning into a "passing league" a throwback offense might be just what the doctor ordered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 A no-huddle offense requires a no-huddle QB. EJ hasn't shown he can consistently execute those kind of plays at the pro level. How great would it be if this staff worked on re-establishing the RUN? With all this talk about the NFL turning into a "passing league" a throwback offense might be just what the doctor ordered. EJ hasn't shown his full potential yet so ruling him out is premature. I don't know if he can but 10 games isn't enough for me to say he's "this type of" qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 (edited) Do I like the no-huddle? In the immortal words of T.O. - "no, not really." Use it to change up once they establish the power running game we all imagine Doug & Nat are building. EJ hasn't shown his full potential yet so ruling him out is premature. I don't know if he can but 10 games isn't enough for me to say he's "this type of" qb. Maybe, but EJ hasn't shown much when it comes to making fast reads of the D. Edited July 13, 2014 by Green Lightning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firemedic Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I like the no huddle ... when it's appropriate. We shouldn't be married to it. If it's not being effective, abandon it. When it's effective, it tires the opposing defense. When it's ineffective, it tires OUR defense. And if we are up by 2 scores or more, don't use the no huddle. Kill the clock. I'd just like to see them be smart about it. If used properly, I love it. Totally agreed, especially after seeing them blow a few games last year.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted July 13, 2014 Author Share Posted July 13, 2014 (edited) Do I like the no-huddle? In the immortal words of T.O. - "no, not really." Use it to change up once they establish the power running game we all imagine Doug & Nat are building. Maybe, but EJ hasn't shown much when it comes to making fast reads of the D. I believe this is one of the things that comes with experience. Even if Manuel was good at reading defenses in college, that won't immediately transfer to the NFL. I think another issue with the no-huddle, is that it severely limits the level of communication between players. It's not just Manuel's inexperience that concerns me. Our receiving corp is young, also. That's what bothers me about Hackett's apparent commitment to the no-huddle. That lack of communication might work great in training camp, against a defense (our own) that they know well. But, once they're up against the Bears, for example, I think the huddle is going to be pretty important. I know that limiting of communication happens on both sides of the ball in a no-huddle. But, I have to wonder who that will affect more: the Bear's D, or our O? And, I don't want to wait two or three games to see if it works. I think we should get our offense running smoothly before we start going no-huddle. Edited July 13, 2014 by Rocky Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJDK Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Everything in moderation. I'm sure a bunch of us can remember how frustrating it was watching Super Bowl 25. Especially the third quarter. A team that runs the ball as effectively as the giants did was torturous. But, then look at the no punt game. I agree that it requires some feel and thinking however (patriots game last year was exactly how not to run it). No huddle to get the lead, ball control and slow it down with the run after a 2 score lead is right on IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowgirlsFan Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Anything to keep the opposing defense honest and off guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thronethinker Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Well judging by all of the Super Bowls won by teams that ran the no huddle, I say .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Unless your offense is vastly superior to the other team's then the answer is they shouldn't run a no huddle. Both team's offenses get more snaps when the Bills run the no huddle. Do we really want other team's offenses having more snaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 NO.. to many young players on offense that would benefit from a huddle, confusion can turn to clarity much quicker with communication that a huddle provides. If running the ball is our bread and butter it just seems more logical to take the time to huddle up and keep the clock ticking. Keep and mind we have Brady twice a year and the less he is on the field the better. At least we have to be able to realize when the no huddle is not working during a game and adjust back to a huddle, instead of previous regimes which waited until after a loss or several losses before they realized that their schemes weren't working. But in the words of Darryl Talley " If you've got this well oiled machine, don't stop it on my account" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I like the idea of switching up tempos, I do believe there is a time to slow the game down just as there is a time to speed things up. Keeping it dynamic gives the Bills an opportunity to have more control. I do think that that our new found depth is n advantage in the hurry up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I agree - while I like the no huddle, we need to mix it up & be smart about it. There are time when we need to be able to eat up some clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Worked well last year.....so, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 The no huddle is a catch 22. If the offense is working and moving the ball down the field, it's not just a good thing, but a great thing. The defense doesn't have time for substitutions or for as many adjustments to what the offense wants to do. The problem is that when it is NOT working, that it puts tremendous pressure on your defense. We saw this last year late in games when the defense was tired. The Bills lost the battle of the clock and eventually, it cost them a win. At the end of the day, it's not the no huddle or nothing. It can be a mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Duck Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I'm skeptical, mainly because I think it might be a better idea to get used to the playbook at a slower pace, gel 1st running the plays, then move on to the no huddle, but also trying to keep an open mind because it does put Defenses on their collective heels when the Offense is in sync. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted July 13, 2014 Author Share Posted July 13, 2014 (edited) Interesting how as this discussion has slowly progressed, the poll has gradually shifted from "yes" to the no-huddle to slightly favoring "no." Many have pointed out that it doesn't have to be used so often-- only when it is effective. That is certainly true. What gives me pause are the statements that Hackett had made regarding his up-tempo, no-huddle philosophy. Here is a link to an interview that serves as a prime example: http://www.buffaloru...o-bills-offense On the plus side, the idea of running more plays to get all of your talent's hands on the ball is great. Four talented running backs? Get the ball to all four of them, and don't give the opposition a chance to adjust. Same with the receivers. That's a great philosophy when you have deep talent in those two positions, which we seem to have. What bothers me in this article, is Hackett's almost cavalier attitude regarding his up-tempo approach. When it was pointed out that his offense, last season, had run the third most plays in the NFL, his response was, "yeah, we should've ran more." It seems to me that the only way we would've run more plays is if we had made more first downs. In other words, if we had played more efficiently. I don't know that speeding up our offense would've increased our efficiency-- quite the opposite. There's a fine line between swagger, and arrogance, and I wonder which side of that line Hackett stands. Up-tempo is great, if your team is efficient. If your team isn't, increasing the tempo (IMO) isn't going to increase your efficiency. As I mentioned before, I want to see our offense running efficiently, against an opposing team, first. Then, increase the tempo. Edited July 13, 2014 by Rocky Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 (edited) Interesting how as this discussion has slowly progressed, the poll has gradually shifted from "yes" to the no-huddle to slightly favoring "no." Many have pointed out that it doesn't have to be used so often-- only when it is effective. That is certainly true. What gives me pause are the statements that Hackett had made regarding his up-tempo, no-huddle philosophy. Here is a link to an interview that serves as a prime example: http://www.buffaloru...o-bills-offense On the plus side, the idea of running more plays to get all of your talent's hands on the ball is great. Four talented running backs? Get the ball to all four of them, and don't give the opposition a chance to adjust. Same with the receivers. That's a great philosophy when you have deep talent in those two positions, which we seem to have. What bothers me in this article, is Hackett's almost cavalier attitude regarding his up-tempo approach. When it was pointed out that his offense, last season, had run the third most plays in the NFL, his response was, "yeah, we should've ran more." It seems to me that the only way we would've run more plays is if we had made more first downs. In other words, if we had played more efficiently. I don't know that speeding up our offense would've increased our efficiency-- quite the opposite. There's a fine line between swagger, and arrogance, and I wonder which side of that line Hackett stands. Up-tempo is great, if your team is efficient. If your team isn't, increasing the tempo (IMO) isn't going to increase your efficiency. As I mentioned before, I want to see our offense running efficiently, against an opposing team, first. Then, increase the tempo. this post is well sorted i would agree .One note though . I truly think Nathaniel agrees with you one hundred percent. And i agree with both of you. They need to become more efficient . match ups . ryhthym and knowing when the no huddle can take advantage of a tired defense is what i wish for. There is no " If "or " That ". the key is the right mix and controlling the tempo . Another point as made i noticed previously. And that is, it might be too soon to lean on a no huddle or even hurry up offense for this young crew. But when they do get the hang of it , this team might have the personell . I think it depends on the fat kids up front. Can they hold up. These are big boys this year . Mix it up Nate . Keep us guessing little Buddy ! Edited July 13, 2014 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 keep the fast paced O that they started last season, and lets hope the O stays healthy for a long while. If they can't get it done right by mid season then scrap it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voodoo poonani Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 If it's up tempo no huddle I worry about more drives that last 36 seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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