ExiledInIllinois Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Seems like this thread is a perfect launching pad for all of us to tone down the vitriol that has permeated the site over the last few years. We're all Bills fans fans, each entitled to our own opinion, and healthy discourse is the lifeblood of a robust and active fanbase. To that end, I'm removing my signature that called out another poster and embarking on a campaign of presenting my own opinion while respecting differing opinions with both ears (and mind) open. Go Bills! Wow... It just took you 14 years to figure that out! ;-) I am just busting your balls... Just kidding. I never could figure out why people get called out in sigs. On mobile devices now, the sigs aren't even there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Wonderful thread. Must be the offseason for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJasper Probincrux III Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I never stepped foot on Facebook or Twitter and never will. Yes, but you're increasingly in the minority. Younger fans by in large don't use this format for this purpose. When you're not growing you're dying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) Yes, but you're increasingly in the minority. Younger fans by in large don't use this format for this purpose. When you're not growing you're dying. By in large maybe, but other than face to face with my family, personally I haven't found as good a way to discuss the Bills anywhere as TBD. Have to chalk it up to difference of opinion I believe as to me Twitter could never compare with a community like this. Your mileage may vary Edited January 4, 2014 by J-Gun Boone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) Yes, but you're increasingly in the minority. Younger fans by in large don't use this format for this purpose. When you're not growing you're dying. Like the previous poster said above, to an extent. Think of TBD like a book or radio and Twitter and Facebook the movie/TV. Do you still read books & listen to radio? Find them better than the movie? Of course! You can't grow forever... There is always a threshold. It just isn't true that not growing means dying... Books and radio will never die. Edited January 4, 2014 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I also would like to see Edward's Arm post again. He's a nice guy who does know his football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO'14 Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I agree wholeheartedly regarding your thoughts on the Shoutbox. It is, as you say, "dominated" by a small group of posters who have no football insights and instead use it to carry on inane conversations between themselves. Occasionally, it is a rapid-fire, valuable tool for discussing the Bills and football, but most of the time it is nonsensical or personal musings from about four or five users who have nothing to add to the discussion re: football. If the shoutbox is only for Football insight then might as well shut the boards. Seriously, what insight does anyone really have. BIlls play BAD Football for 4 months of the year. What kind of SO CALLED INSIGHT does one bring during the offseason? People have to lighten up on here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I agree wholeheartedly regarding your thoughts on the Shoutbox. It is, as you say, "dominated" by a small group of posters who have no football insights and instead use it to carry on inane conversations between themselves. Occasionally, it is a rapid-fire, valuable tool for discussing the Bills and football, but most of the time it is nonsensical or personal musings from about four or five users who have nothing to add to the discussion re: football. Everyone who uses the Shoutbox has football insights. Most of those who "dominate" it also realize that there is only so much to be said about the Bills and that it's well-covered within the threads. Myself not included, I will opine that many of the frequent Shoutbox users have an incredible amount of football/Bills knowledge and insight. I will also point out that the same group does not take themselves - nor do they take the Bills or football - too seriously. That's admirable. Lighten up, Francis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Blizzard Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I have to say, I haven't been very active on the Stadium Wall this season. Frankly, after a decade-plus of mediocre to downright horrible football, my passion has faded. It wouldn't take much to reignite the spark. Remember the 4-0 start in 2008 and the 3-0 start in 2011? Even an occasional 3 game winning streak during the heart of the season would be worth some enthusiasm. But it's been years since we've had an elite QB or a team well-rounded enough to get to the playoffs or even finish strong. So forgive me if I haven't felt like discussing our QB woes or Stevie's behaviour for the umpteenth time.. Go Bills.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvanvol Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 No one mentioned TimGraham? I liked the Ask Tim Graham threads until it became the epic meltdown that caused him and Lori to leave..... I still think it is a bit silly that they left because of that though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 No one mentioned TimGraham? I liked the Ask Tim Graham threads until it became the epic meltdown that caused him and Lori to leave..... I still think it is a bit silly that they left because of that though Absolutely. I agree. I wrote a long-winded response to Tim's exit and some people were supportive while others merely tattered the post because they were of the opinion that due to Tim being a published writer he should be subjected to personal attacks. When, what was lost on those individuals was that when Tim was here posting, it was his "personal" time. Yes, he has / had a column and at the time was employed by ESPN so some would say he would come on here to try and get his "numbers up" in regards to those viewing or reading his content...to which many of us said - bullsh*t because he didn't need this board to do that. More importantly, it was pretty obvious he came here to post as just the average guy with above average information and insight. So try to be bullied for simply sharing in the cause was ridiculous....I'm with ya. I already said enough in previous posts, but I'm glad someone else brought up Tim Graham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 That's because PPP is grossly undermoderated, and that PPP-like stuff doesn't fly in the other parts of this board. PPP is just moderated just fine, as long as your views don't stray anywhere to the left of Attila the Hun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SactoBillFan Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 This has to be one of the frienliest threads I've read in a while. I must have been on one of my hiatuses when Lori left but have noticed she was missing. She was a great poster and a really sweet person. Reading this thread has brought me down memory lane along with Lori a few others: CableLady common man ICE Bob Lamb The Dean Nodnarb R. rich joesixpack Nervous Guy #89 good to hear from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Thanks for the memories. I feel this board saved my sanity and my life - many years ago. I use to sit at the computer and laugh until I cried and my husband thought I was nuts. Sorry to say I just don't laugh anymore. Not everything in this world is gloom and doom. The Bills can have a winning season if they get it in their heads WIN and stop making all those metal errors. Depression has made me a hermit except for working and my store. The Bills are not like I had it in the past. Friends to many who still contact me on facebook. The annual Tasker Christmas cards makes my year. I have not gone to training camp or a game in at least 3 years. Sucks to get old. Hang in there. Better days are coming. I still pop in once a month. You are nuts. You're just our kind of nuts. You ever find your lost uncle? Was he under the couch like I said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Absolutely. I agree. I wrote a long-winded response to Tim's exit and some people were supportive while others merely tattered the post because they were of the opinion that due to Tim being a published writer he should be subjected to personal attacks. When, what was lost on those individuals was that when Tim was here posting, it was his "personal" time. Yes, he has / had a column and at the time was employed by ESPN so some would say he would come on here to try and get his "numbers up" in regards to those viewing or reading his content...to which many of us said - bullsh*t because he didn't need this board to do that. More importantly, it was pretty obvious he came here to post as just the average guy with above average information and insight. So try to be bullied for simply sharing in the cause was ridiculous....I'm with ya. I already said enough in previous posts, but I'm glad someone else brought up Tim Graham. Personal attacks aren't allowed by anyone against anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Personal attacks aren't allowed by anyone against anyone. That's right, BigBuff. You moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Absolutely. I agree. I wrote a long-winded response to Tim's exit and some people were supportive while others merely tattered the post because they were of the opinion that due to Tim being a published writer he should be subjected to personal attacks. When, what was lost on those individuals was that when Tim was here posting, it was his "personal" time. Yes, he has / had a column and at the time was employed by ESPN so some would say he would come on here to try and get his "numbers up" in regards to those viewing or reading his content...to which many of us said - bullsh*t because he didn't need this board to do that. More importantly, it was pretty obvious he came here to post as just the average guy with above average information and insight. So try to be bullied for simply sharing in the cause was ridiculous....I'm with ya. I already said enough in previous posts, but I'm glad someone else brought up Tim Graham. I agree with this. I remember when Tim Graham and Lori used to post. For some reason, people like to attack the people with inside information. I'm surprised Wawrow still posts occasionally. He gets abused every time. It ain't right. These people have to walk a tightrope between asking tough questions and ticking people off, or keeping information private until it is the proper time to divulge it. Yet for some reason, they would get abused on this forum for not being more open, or asking tougher questions, or otherwise behaving in ways that would be professional suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I agree with this. I remember when Tim Graham and Lori used to post. For some reason, people like to attack the people with inside information. I'm surprised Wawrow still posts occasionally. He gets abused every time. It ain't right. These people have to walk a tightrope between asking tough questions and ticking people off, or keeping information private until it is the proper time to divulge it. Yet for some reason, they would get abused on this forum for not being more open, or asking tougher questions, or otherwise behaving in ways that would be professional suicide. I hear what you are saying. I like when Warrow posts, he gives pretty good insight. Tim Graham on the other hand I don't know. It seemed like he had really thin skin & the littlest things would bother him. There was one poster I know that would continuosly call him out & give him a tough time(can't remember his name) but if I was graham i would of just put him on ignore. My guess is due to his friendship with Lori, the moderators treated him with kid gloves too. I got suspended for a year with no warning for calling Graham out for taking a cheap shot at Ralph Wilson. My words could of been chosen better & I should of been reprimanded for that but come on a year with no warning? I guaranty if it was any other poster I said that to after them taking a shot at Wilson I would not even of gotten a suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Lori, ICE, Nodnarb, Nervous Guy. Neeraj, George Melino and The Kid from the D&C days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I like john w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvanvol Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I like john w He is still on here..... he even posted in this thread..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) Personal attacks aren't allowed by anyone against anyone. Awesome...I'm glad. Because football and all its glory and disappointment is PART of the joy of things like family, friends, and holidays. And when it turns ugly or rude or just mean, it belittles the simplicity in the joy of loving the game and our hometown team (even though I live in CNY, you get the point). And I truly do appreciate the Mods doing their best to sift through the garbage and make this an enjoyable place to be. But, I'm not entirely wrong about what this board was just a few years ago around the time that Lori and Tim left. That's right, BigBuff. You moron. Nice... Edited January 8, 2014 by BigBuff423 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 That's right, BigBuff. You moron. Moron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Lori, ICE, Nodnarb, Nervous Guy. Neeraj, George Melino and The Kid from the D&C days. WOW, Holy crap you bring up old memories Don't for get WEO was part of that crowd. now I'm curious who you are. There also used to be a JohnC over there who may or may not be the JohnC from over here. I used to keep a file of the guys I knew there, but when Orbital laid me off 1 year ago they locked my PC and I lost the file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#89 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 You are nuts. You're just our kind of nuts. You ever find your lost uncle? Was he under the couch like I said? I'm not in a looney bin - Under the bed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Dan's Revenge Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 The Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Several people listed Hogboy. Wasn't he also various incarnations of "Lenny"? Lenny in Sloan comes to mind. There were some really funny posters here back in the day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Lori, ICE, Nodnarb, Nervous Guy. Neeraj, George Melino and The Kid from the D&C days. WOW, Holy crap you bring up old memories Don't for get WEO was part of that crowd. now I'm curious who you are. There also used to be a JohnC over there who may or may not be the JohnC from over here. I used to keep a file of the guys I knew there, but when Orbital laid me off 1 year ago they locked my PC and I lost the file. I was 'Dom Iannello' on the D&C back in the day. ICE (Brian) is still kicking. He's in R.Rich's fantasy football league with me. A lot of the people listed throughout this thread (like R.Rich) still post, just maybe not as frequently. I find myself lurking far more than posting these days, especially during the season. The tone of the board has changed a lot and not for the better, IMHO. Yes, the Bills have sucked for almost a decade and a half but that's no excuse for some posters to treat fellow posters like garbage. If the team gives you that much angst, why subject yourself to the grief? Find a more enjoyable hobby. The constant bitching & moaning and personal attacks are really a put off. Anyhoo...didn't mean to hijack the thread. Back to your regularly scheduled reminiscing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Several people listed Hogboy. Wasn't he also various incarnations of "Lenny"? Lenny in Sloan comes to mind. There were some really funny posters here back in the day... We still have Beerball and we still all laugh at him. Does that count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketan Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Hawk-had a few classic posts-then quit-loved his take on why we drafted-Travares Tillman in 2000 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) I miss San Jose Bills Fan Oh wait, he is on my ignore list......lol Actually he is my favorite Edited January 12, 2014 by HOUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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