mitchmurraydowntown Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I know how people would like to get Geno but him being available could get us multiple picks this year, maybe even a first & second this year. I'd like to have the ability to pick up a few Corners or WRs, who's in ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I know how people would like to get Geno but him being available could get us multiple picks this year, maybe even a first & second this year. I'd like to have the ability to pick up a few Corners or WRs, who's in ? I'd rather have a qb than a corner and WR And if he slides to 8 why do you think there will be a bounty for him if 8(including us) mostly qb needy teams pass on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 How many years must we suffer with no QB before people realize that you MUST HAVE ONE. Thank your lucky stars and select the kid if he's there at 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotpockets28 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I understand you from the point of us having lots of holes to be filled so we need more picks...but honestly if geno is there and the bills trade the pick the entire staff should be fired and banned for life from the nfl... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagon Circler Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Geno Smith is the ONLY QB in this draft I would take at #8. If he's there, grab him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Take the QB. There is talent on the roster to compete, except at QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 He won't be there at 8.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 How many years must we suffer with no QB before people realize that you MUST HAVE ONE. Thank your lucky stars and select the kid if he's there at 8 +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section242 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) If he's available at 8 then the other teams likely to draft a QB passed on him Edited February 25, 2013 by Section242 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) If a team wants to trade up for Geno they are going to want to get ahead of the Cards and Bills Edited February 25, 2013 by Max997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Trade away the 8 pick...fall down to the 16-20 level, grab your stud TE/WR and then your QB at 41 and extra 2nd round pick for LB Geno will be gone by 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I'm thinking the Cards go Barkley ahead of Smith and Smith will be there if the Bills want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Take the QB. Would you rather have a decent steak or three decent hamburgers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I know how people would like to get Geno but him being available could get us multiple picks this year, maybe even a first & second this year. I'd like to have the ability to pick up a few Corners or WRs, who's in ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 The knock on Smith is when the first read isn't open he struggles with progressions. He's a great athlete, there is no questioning that, but being a great athlete doesn't equate to NFL success from a QB standpoint. Anyone who watched him at the combine today would also notice the inconsistency when throwing the deeper routes down field. So he is erratic with the deep ball and struggles after his initial read is gone, but it is wiped away because he can run a sub 4.6 forty time and throw a ball 10-15 yards farther than Fitz? No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Take the QB. Would you rather have a decent steak or three decent hamburgers? well put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Take the QB. Would you rather have a decent steak or three decent hamburgers? Can the hamburgers stop the run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 The knock on Smith is when the first read isn't open he struggles with progressions. He's a great athlete, there is no questioning that, but being a great athlete doesn't equate to NFL success from a QB standpoint. Anyone who watched him at the combine today would also notice the inconsistency when throwing the deeper routes down field. So he is erratic with the deep ball and struggles after his initial read is gone, but it is wiped away because he can run a sub 4.6 forty time and throw a ball 10-15 yards farther than Fitz? No thanks. It's interesting that a former NFL QB, and future Hall Of Famer, pretty much had the opposite opinion of Smith throwing the ball today...I'm not sure what your watching and evaluating with Smith, but you're not even close...And I've seen almost every pass he's thrown over the past 3 years...Did he struggle at times? Yes he certainly did...But you don't throw for 98 TD's to only 21 INT's, and complete 67.4% of your passes in major College Football by accident...Smith can do it all, and when he's right, he does it with ease...And I have no idea where this great athlete, but not a good QB idea comes from with Geno...Everyone and their Mother knows the kid went to great lengths to be a pocket passer first and foremost. He even frustrated his coaching staff by not taking off and running more...He is a great athlete...But he's a traditional pocket QB... The real knock on Smith is his personality and demeanor when things are not going well...He has a tendency to hang his head a bit and get down on himself...That is the real concern NFL Teams have about him...He's a total gym rat and he loves football...He's humble and he wants to be the best...Does he need work? Of course he does...They all do...Even Andrew Luck needs work...But from a production, tools, smarts, and athletic ability standpoint Smith is more than worthy of #8 overall...Though I fully expect him to be gone by then...If not, and the Bills pass...I'll call it stupid just like most of the decisions they normally make on Draft day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotpockets28 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Take the QB. Would you rather have a decent steak or three decent hamburgers? are they from Mcdonalds or Burger king? I can go either way on this question just by your"e response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Take the QB. Would you rather have a decent steak or three decent hamburgers? Ignoring the metaphor, I personally would prefer the 3 hamburgers. (yummy ) Take the QB every time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Watching the kid today, he impressed me. He sounds like he wants to be in watching film and is motivated to achieve. Is he the answer? No idea. But at least we'd be addressing the most important position on the football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 It's interesting that a former NFL QB, and future Hall Of Famer, pretty much had the opposite opinion of Smith throwing the ball today...I'm not sure what your watching and evaluating with Smith, but you're not even close...And I've seen almost every pass he's thrown over the past 3 years...Did he struggle at times? Yes he certainly did...But you don't throw for 98 TD's to only 21 INT's, and complete 67.4% of your passes in major College Football by accident...Smith can do it all, and when he's right, he does it with ease...And I have no idea where this great athlete, but not a good QB idea comes from with Geno...Everyone and their Mother knows the kid went to great lengths to be a pocket passer first and foremost. He even frustrated his coaching staff by not taking off and running more...He is a great athlete...But he's a traditional pocket QB... The real knock on Smith is his personality and demeanor when things are not going well...He has a tendency to hang his head a bit and get down on himself...That is the real concern NFL Teams have about him...He's a total gym rat and he loves football...He's humble and he wants to be the best...Does he need work? Of course he does...They all do...Even Andrew Luck needs work...But from a production, tools, smarts, and athletic ability standpoint Smith is more than worthy of #8 overall...Though I fully expect him to be gone by then...If not, and the Bills pass...I'll call it stupid just like most of the decisions they normally make on Draft day... Watched him in the drills at the combine today while on the treadmill at the gym. I know what I saw out of him today. None of the QB's looked good for that matter. Most starting caliber NFL QB's can throw 10 yard outs and 15 yard post patterns as he could, but the deeper passes were not that impressive. I also have seen in games during the losing streak and heard talent evaluators say that he struggles with his progressions. He also had some very dynamic playmakers around him on that team to aid his TD totals as well as the privilege of being a member of the Big East Conference. Brohm even put up good numbers in a Big East career when the comp was a little more stout. Not sure which future HOF QB you heard talking, but everyone is entitled to their opinion, right? I wouldn't touch him in the first round and I also don't expect him to be anything more than average in the NFL. We already have one Tavaris Jackson on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share Posted February 25, 2013 If we could gain more picks including an additional 1st next year from a team that will start him, we'll be miles ahead from picking early from their pick. We could get lucky and they give us a top pick, including the one we we earn with a difficult season that will put us there. Imagine picking 1/2 next year, Johnny football being our first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FleaMoulds80 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) No thanks to Geno or any QB in this draft. The fact that he couldn't absorb a simple west coast play shown by Marriucci was VERY sad to see. He didn't get the verbage. Missed a block assignment from the guard, and missed a progression in the read. He BOMBED this test that RG3 nailed. http://www.nfl.com/v...making-his-case I mean this is a VERY simple play that i picked up in a heartbeat. I didn't get the verbage but it's a very easy play to diagram. He couldn't do either. His interview was SOOO scripted too. Edited February 25, 2013 by FleaMoulds80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggerdaddynj Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Every expert indicates there is no high first round value at QB but that, as in past years, QBs will go higher than they should. Does that mean we need to drink the Koolaid? We all know we need a QB but if there is no value there why buy high? In stark contrast, we know there is high first round value on D. Why not draft where you are getting value ... at D? I'm fine with taking a guy like Bray later (I'd love to go QB in the third) and developing him while drafting a D player who we know can play (and there will be one there for sure at 8). Where are all of the guys on this board who always vehemently objected to "reaching"? 'Cause that"s what we're doing by taking a QB at 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 No thanks to Geno or any QB in this draft. The fact that he couldn't absorb a simple west coast play shown by Marriucci was VERY sad to see. He didn't get the verbage. Missed a block assignment from the guard, and missed a progression in the read. He BOMBED this test that RG3 nailed. http://www.nfl.com/v...making-his-case I mean this is a VERY simple play that i picked up in a heartbeat. I didn't get the verbage but it's a very easy play to diagram. He couldn't do either. His interview was SOOO scripted too. Saw that too. I picked up that much faster than Geno. Doesn't mean he can't learn but i was surprised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 If he is there at 8 and there are willing partners then trade down. Smith is a bottom of the first round talent. Too many holes at WR, LB, and possibly G - pending FA decisions obviously. If Levitre and Byrd are resigned, we add a WR and a LB in FA I would have no problem taking Smith at 8. If any of the above does not happen I would take Warmack over Smith, possibly Patterson over Smith, or trade back and get a WR and LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FleaMoulds80 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Saw that too. I picked up that much faster than Geno. Doesn't mean he can't learn but i was surprised I'm sure he can learn but this was extremely disturbing. I saw RG3 do this last year and he could do this in his sleep. Geno missed EVERYTHING. Something an average Joe could pick up on but he couldn't? That is a major red flag if you ask me. Not impressed with Mr. Geno at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Odds are growing he'll be there. Sounds like KC traded for Smith and cards are in love with barkley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 The knock on Smith is when the first read isn't open he struggles with progressions. He's a great athlete, there is no questioning that, but being a great athlete doesn't equate to NFL success from a QB standpoint. Anyone who watched him at the combine today would also notice the inconsistency when throwing the deeper routes down field. So he is erratic with the deep ball and struggles after his initial read is gone, but it is wiped away because he can run a sub 4.6 forty time and throw a ball 10-15 yards farther than Fitz? No thanks. yeah only a 67.4% career completion rate and 98TDs to 21 INTs Geno Smith should be ashamed of himself being so erratic . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Every expert indicates there is no high first round value at QB but that, as in past years, QBs will go higher than they should. Does that mean we need to drink the Koolaid? We all know we need a QB but if there is no value there why buy high? In stark contrast, we know there is high first round value on D. Why not draft where you are getting value ... at D? I'm fine with taking a guy like Bray later (I'd love to go QB in the third) and developing him while drafting a D player who we know can play (and there will be one there for sure at 8). Where are all of the guys on this board who always vehemently objected to "reaching"? 'Cause that"s what we're doing by taking a QB at 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Take the QB. There is talent on the roster to compete, except at QB We have "talent" at WR relative to the rest of the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I know how people would like to get Geno but him being available could get us multiple picks this year, maybe even a first & second this year. I'd like to have the ability to pick up a few Corners or WRs, who's in ? If he's still available at #8, DRAFT HIM! If he is there at 8 and there are willing partners then trade down. Smith is a bottom of the first round talent. Too many holes at WR, LB, and possibly G - pending FA decisions obviously. If Levitre and Byrd are resigned, we add a WR and a LB in FA I would have no problem taking Smith at 8. If any of the above does not happen I would take Warmack over Smith, possibly Patterson over Smith, or trade back and get a WR and LB. Oh, but you don't know our strategy .... let productive players walk (i.e., Nelson), so we can create more needs and make drafting much easier--we know exactly what we need: a WR, a LG, a FS, etc.. It's been working for years, why change now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 The knock on Smith is when the first read isn't open he struggles with progressions. He's a great athlete, there is no questioning that, but being a great athlete doesn't equate to NFL success from a QB standpoint. Anyone who watched him at the combine today would also notice the inconsistency when throwing the deeper routes down field. So he is erratic with the deep ball and struggles after his initial read is gone, but it is wiped away because he can run a sub 4.6 forty time and throw a ball 10-15 yards farther than Fitz? No thanks. Nothing could be further from the truth. If any legit pro scout is putting this idea out there it is classic pre-draft chicanery. Anyone who would base their opinion of ANY QBs ability to throw the ball on a few scripted attempts at the combine when there is a whole library of college film to evaluate, coaches to consult, and scouts to compare notes with, just doesn't know how to evaluate talent. What matters most for Geno Smith at the combine is to impress teams during the interview process. If by any chance he's there at 8, and I highly doubt he will be, the Bills would be crazy to pass him up. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 If Geno is on the board at #8 the card with his name on it better be in Goodell's hand immediately. As in Spiller style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 The Cards will take him at 7 if he lasts that long. I will bet $$ on it. Arians runs a deep ball offense and Geno can make the throws Arians wants. The Barkely talk coming out of AZ is pure smokescreen. No way Geno Smith makes it to 8 (and if he does, and the Bills pass on him, I'm going looking for Buddy, personally). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Geno or bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Just getting around to watching the combine now. I was kind of worried about Geno's inconsistency in the past but man this guy is impressive! He has all of the tools and he really stood out. if this guy is there at 8 it's a no brainer but I doubt he falls past the first few picks. Another observation is Nassib looks small compared to some of the other guys. I always thought he was bigger. He reminds me a lot of Jake Locker but maybe not quite as athletic. I don't think he is worth the #8 pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D521646 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 The point I think people are saying with passing on Smith at 8 is that, there really isn't much of a drop-off from him to the Bray's of the world. If he's there at 8 and some team wants to give us another second we'd be fools not to take that deal. Not that I care much what the experts are saying on Smith and the rest of the QB crop, but what they are saying isn't good, and that should make you at least a bit worried. Lets face it, the MISTAKE if anything would be the Bills reaching this year. Go with sure talent at WR/LB, and draft a QB as a project, Manuel, Nassib, Bray, any of these guys will be there 2nd maybe 3rd round. Don't drink the Kool Aid, and to be honest I don't think Marrone and Nix are, so lets hope. Tim- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorom Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I know how people would like to get Geno but him being available could get us multiple picks this year, maybe even a first & second this year. I'd like to have the ability to pick up a few Corners or WRs, who's in ? reality says if someone wants Geno they would trade ahead of us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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