Sanners Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I remember living in SoCal listening to sports talk radio and the Chargers were considered one of the worst teams in the league. They drafted Jammer, which was highly panned by all the "experts". They already had their QB of the future in Brees, but people said he sucked. San Diego was a wasteland. I see some similarities between the Bills and SD of 2002. Sometimes your really have to suck before you get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Number 76 Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I remember living in SoCal listening to sports talk radio and the Chargers were considered one of the worst teams in the league. They drafted Jammer, which was highly panned by all the "experts". They already had their QB of the future in Brees, but people said he sucked. San Diego was a wasteland. I see some similarities between the Bills and SD of 2002. Sometimes your really have to suck before you get better. I don't remember Quentin Jammer being panned at all. I remember him being highly touted. Like Dareus--so your analogy might still be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanners Posted August 26, 2011 Author Share Posted August 26, 2011 I don't remember Quentin Jammer being panned at all. I remember him being highly touted. Like Dareus--so your analogy might still be good. Jut recalling my days in Southern California, where they questioned the pick of Jammer, with "so many needs". Seems similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Seems similar because of a high draft pick? I don't get it. I don't see LaDanian Tomlinson on this roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Also labeled Jammer a bust too, if I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Seems similar because of a high draft pick? I don't get it. I don't see LaDanian Tomlinson on this roster. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
switz1610 Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Fitz is less than half the player brees is... from college to now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amstel Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I wouldnt mind a draft that produced a Brees and a Tomlinson..... Then again given time Macel and Aaron might be the defensive version of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I've decided that I still have interest in the Bills. But they have robbed me of all the passion. Who do the Bills have to get fired up about? I don't know how much longer I can hold these season tickets. If that's how it was in SD, then I'm right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koufax Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Seems similar because of a high draft pick? I don't get it. I don't see LaDanian Tomlinson on this roster. Spiller is no LT, but even though he got 339 carries as a rookie for a 5-11 team, he averaged just 3.6 yards per carry, fumbled once per 67 carries, and had one 20+ every 48 carries, while Spiller Averaged 3.8, fumbled once per 37 carries, and had one 20+ for every 74 carries. LT with a huge 10 to 0 TD spread, but was the go to guy in all goal line carries. And receiving LT averaged 6.2 yards per catch with no TDs and a long of 27 and three fumbles while Spiller averaged 6.5 with a long of 41 and 1 TD and no fumbles. Again, clearly Spiller is no LT, but nobody is. But if you look at the averages when they touched the ball, Spiller isn't so far off. Buffalo has a worse O-Line and has Freddie Jackson, plus CJ hasn't learned to block. But when touching the ball as a rookie CJ wasn't that different from LT, and I am optimistic he will touch the ball more and do better this year. Having moved to San DIego just in time for the 2002 Chargers season and followed the team since, I see a lot of parallels. Unfortunately remember that after an 8-8 2002 the Chargers finished 4-12 in 2003 and the #1 pick before starting their run. I think we have more talent on our roster than people think, and I am taking the over compared to the general mood around here. This year should be an up year compared to last year and I see a more consistent improvement than the Chargers up and down 2001-2002-2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamRoller67 Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I remember living in SoCal listening to sports talk radio and the Chargers were considered one of the worst teams in the league. They drafted Jammer, which was highly panned by all the "experts". They already had their QB of the future in Brees, but people said he sucked. San Diego was a wasteland. I see some similarities between the Bills and SD of 2002. Sometimes your really have to suck before you get better. I've never heard one expert or true NFL fan say Drew Brees "sucked" at any point in his career. They challenged his height & his arm strength at the NFL level, but nobody ever claimed he sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I wouldnt mind a draft that produced a Brees and a Tomlinson..... Then again given time Macel and Aaron might be the defensive version of that We could have got our Brees if we had drafted Ryan Mallet in the 3rd round! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggieScooby Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 We could have got our Brees if we had drafted Ryan Mallet in the 3rd round! Mallett wouldn't work in CG offense and behind our OL. Love that kids arm and football IQ tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyjustbcuz Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I remember living in SoCal listening to sports talk radio and the Chargers were considered one of the worst teams in the league. They drafted Jammer, which was highly panned by all the "experts". They already had their QB of the future in Brees, but people said he sucked. San Diego was a wasteland. I see some similarities between the Bills and SD of 2002. Sometimes your really have to suck before you get better. Who is our Drew Brees? Are you suggesting that Ryan Fitzpatrick will develop into a Drew Brees? I really doubt it, I think his intelligence helps him through some of his physical limitations and give him an ability to be a average QB if all his abilities are maximized! Do you really think Fitzpatrick is part of the future of the Bills franchise? I don't..I think he is a stop gap until whomever we draft or sign next off-season develops into a franchise QB. Well our Bills have for the most part "as you put it" sucked for over a decade straight, and they still haven't gotten better!! So I don't understand your analogy or thinking at all???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cincinnati Kid Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 The night is always darkest before the dawn. I think we'll turn this ship around. We can only go up from here. Hey, one more thing. We got Buddy Nix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDO'Kearney Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 The night is always darkest before the dawn. I think we'll turn this ship around. We can only go up from here. Hey, one more thing. We got Buddy Nix. Exactly. This is all Buddy's grand plan to "Suck for Luck". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I've never heard one expert or true NFL fan say Drew Brees "sucked" at any point in his career. They challenged his height & his arm strength at the NFL level, but nobody ever claimed he sucked. I've lived on the central coast for Brees' whole career. There were a significant amount of fans and local commentators that, if I recall correctly, were very much of the opinion that he sucked. It was cool that he eventually proved them wrong, when he came together for the chargers that team was dangerous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I remember living in SoCal listening to sports talk radio and the Chargers were considered one of the worst teams in the league. They drafted Jammer, which was highly panned by all the "experts". They already had their QB of the future in Brees, but people said he sucked. San Diego was a wasteland. I see some similarities between the Bills and SD of 2002. Sometimes your really have to suck before you get better. As people have pointed out, there is no Drew Brees on this roster. It's also worth noting that in order to get its real QB of the future, San Diego had to lose enough games to get the first overall pick. They then used that pick on Eli Manning. Then San Diego and NY Giants did that draft day swap which resulted in the Giants getting Manning, and the Chargers getting Rivers and significant other compensation. Similarly, the Bills will also likely require some very early first round draft picks if they are to attain San Diego's level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 As people have pointed out, there is no Drew Brees on this roster. It's also worth noting that in order to get its real QB of the future, San Diego had to lose enough games to get the first overall pick. They then used that pick on Eli Manning. Then San Diego and NY Giants did that draft day swap which resulted in the Giants getting Manning, and the Chargers getting Rivers and significant other compensation. Similarly, the Bills will also likely require some very early first round draft picks if they are to attain San Diego's level. I think from day 1 Buddy and Chan came in with a 3.5 year plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I remember living in SoCal listening to sports talk radio and the Chargers were considered one of the worst teams in the league. They drafted Jammer, which was highly panned by all the "experts". They already had their QB of the future in Brees, but people said he sucked. San Diego was a wasteland. I see some similarities between the Bills and SD of 2002. Sometimes your really have to suck before you get better. Hope you are right and if so we will be the team of the century. Spiller is no LT, but even though he got 339 carries as a rookie for a 5-11 team, he averaged just 3.6 yards per carry, fumbled once per 67 carries, and had one 20+ every 48 carries, while Spiller Averaged 3.8, fumbled once per 37 carries, and had one 20+ for every 74 carries. LT with a huge 10 to 0 TD spread, but was the go to guy in all goal line carries. And receiving LT averaged 6.2 yards per catch with no TDs and a long of 27 and three fumbles while Spiller averaged 6.5 with a long of 41 and 1 TD and no fumbles. Again, clearly Spiller is no LT, but nobody is. But if you look at the averages when they touched the ball, Spiller isn't so far off. Buffalo has a worse O-Line and has Freddie Jackson, plus CJ hasn't learned to block. But when touching the ball as a rookie CJ wasn't that different from LT, and I am optimistic he will touch the ball more and do better this year. Having moved to San DIego just in time for the 2002 Chargers season and followed the team since, I see a lot of parallels. Unfortunately remember that after an 8-8 2002 the Chargers finished 4-12 in 2003 and the #1 pick before starting their run. I think we have more talent on our roster than people think, and I am taking the over compared to the general mood around here. This year should be an up year compared to last year and I see a more consistent improvement than the Chargers up and down 2001-2002-2003. The Defense should be better but I think the offense will be worse with the loss of Evans and no upgrades at any position. We could have got our Brees if we had drafted Ryan Mallet in the 3rd round! He would have gotten killed here with our line and his heavy legs. Ryan Tannehill out of Texas A&M could be our bress but with high level Athleticism (former WR) and powerful arm, Look for this Kid to do great things this year. Luck would be the obvious choice but I doubt we will be the worst team in the League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I remember living in SoCal listening to sports talk radio and the Chargers were considered one of the worst teams in the league. They drafted Jammer, which was highly panned by all the "experts". They already had their QB of the future in Brees, but people said he sucked. San Diego was a wasteland. I see some similarities between the Bills and SD of 2002. Sometimes your really have to suck before you get better. As others have said - we clearly do not have a Drew Brees. He was highly regarded out of college, and awas considered a slight steal at the top of the 2nd round. There has been no point in Fitz's career where he was valued at the level of the lowest point of Brees' career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I think from day 1 Buddy and Chan came in with a 3.5 year plan. I disagree, in one of Nix's first statements he said " we are not that far away" What he didn't realize is that the HC he hired went out and hired mostly college assistants to coach the team, and in doing so elongated the process of building a winner right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I disagree, in one of Nix's first statements he said " we are not that far away" What he didn't realize is that the HC he hired went out and hired mostly college assistants to coach the team, and in doing so elongated the process of building a winner right away. Good god its been one year people. You want instant results? Go play madden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I've never heard one expert or true NFL fan say Drew Brees "sucked" at any point in his career. They challenged his height & his arm strength at the NFL level, but nobody ever claimed he sucked. Brees really struggled early in his career, leading SD to draft Rivers 4th overall. Seems like a large investment into a QB if no one though he sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobu Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Well if our front office listened to our coaching staff, we would have drafted Brees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_want_2_BILL_Lieve Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Well if our front office listened to our coaching staff, we would have drafted Brees. And when they did we drafted Maybin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Good god its been one year people. You want instant results? Go play madden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Seems similar because of a high draft pick? I don't get it. I don't see LaDanian Tomlinson on this roster. But we have Freddie Jackson! So I guess you could say we are one up on the 2002 Chargers (Don't say this is wrong though, don't want Fred to feel disrespected and hurt in case he is reading this) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 So what if we don't have "our Drew Brees", neither does SD. We have our current place holder QB whos here until they get what they really need which is their Phillip Rivers QB. There is a foundation here for a good team, the problem is that the fans have no more patience which is whats gonna be needed for the next 1-2 seasons. Teams like the Colts, Saints, Chargers, Pittsburgh etc. didn't become the better teams in the league overnight, they went through years of failure, and drafting high to get to where they are. We aren't the only teams struggling to right the ship too. Detroit, Clevland, Cinncinatti, Oakland, kansas City, Houston, San Fransisco etc have all been cellar dwellers drafting at the top of the draft for years trying to rebuild their franchises. Teams like Carolina, Tampa, Miami, Jacksonville have been on a roller coaster ride of being good to drafting high the next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Seems similar because of a high draft pick? I don't get it. I don't see LaDanian Tomlinson on this roster. Can You Say SPILLER ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 What he didn't realize is that the HC he hired went out and hired mostly college assistants to coach the team, and in doing so elongated the process of building a winner right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 (edited) The difference is that the Chargers got better within a few years. The Bills have been this way for more than 10 years now Edited August 26, 2011 by figoferreira Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 (edited) So what if we don't have "our Drew Brees", neither does SD. We have our current place holder QB whos here until they get what they really need which is their Phillip Rivers QB. There is a foundation here for a good team, the problem is that the fans have no more patience which is whats gonna be needed for the next 1-2 seasons. Teams like the Colts, Saints, Chargers, Pittsburgh etc. didn't become the better teams in the league overnight, they went through years of failure, and drafting high to get to where they are. We aren't the only teams struggling to right the ship too. Detroit, Clevland, Cinncinatti, Oakland, kansas City, Houston, San Fransisco etc have all been cellar dwellers drafting at the top of the draft for years trying to rebuild their franchises. Teams like Carolina, Tampa, Miami, Jacksonville have been on a roller coaster ride of being good to drafting high the next season. Actually a lot of those teams sort of did get good overnight to the extent of having remarkable single season turnarounds. But more importantly the foundation for a good team that you say is here is not here. Ask anyone to name our best 5-6 core players and the first name out of anyone's mouth is a guy who has yet to play a down yet in the league. That's not a knock on Dareus who I'm as optimistic about as the next guy; but what does that say about the rest of the roster? Edited August 26, 2011 by BuffOrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsrhody Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 (edited) Drew Brees: 2002: 3200 yds 17 td 16 int 2003: 2100 yds 11 td 15 int (11 games) 2004: 3100 yds 27 td 7 int 2005: 3500 yds 24 td 15 int Brees wasnt all the great in his first two years as a started. In fact, he was pretty mediocre. Basically what I'm trying to say is we dont need a drew brees right now to improve our team. The quarterback piece may come later Edited August 26, 2011 by Billsrhody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSpeed Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I think from day 1 Buddy and Chan came in with a 3.5 year plan. There is a serious problem with this plan. The rookie contracts are now only 4 years long, and we don't re-sign our players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assquatch Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I've lived on the central coast for Brees' whole career. I'm familiar with the East Coast and the West Coast. Do you live on the Mississippi River? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I am cool with this analogy as long as we get the 1st overal pick this year and DONT TRADE IT AWAY!!!! I'm familiar with the East Coast and the West Coast. Do you live on the Mississippi River? He means teh Gulf Coast I pressume. Houston, New Orleans, Mobile, etc. There is a serious problem with this plan. The rookie contracts are now only 4 years long, and we don't re-sign our players. What dont you get - its a 3 year plan. this year 3 years, next year - 3 years, the eyar after- 3 more years. Its ALWAYS 3 years away!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantankerous Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Can You Say SPILLER ???????? LOL, Spiller is nothing like LT. Not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSpeed Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 What dont you get - its a 3 year plan. this year 3 years, next year - 3 years, the eyar after- 3 more years. Its ALWAYS 3 years away!!! So True! How many years should we give a head coach and GM to build a playoff team? This is Year 2. If it really is a 3 year plan we should be just a player or 2 away from the playoffs. This young team better look pretty impressive this year! Here's hoping... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I remember living in SoCal listening to sports talk radio and the Chargers were considered one of the worst teams in the league. They drafted Jammer, which was highly panned by all the "experts". They already had their QB of the future in Brees, but people said he sucked. San Diego was a wasteland. I see some similarities between the Bills and SD of 2002. Sometimes your really have to suck before you get better. Yeah, very similar. Except we don't have Brees, Tomlison, Gates, or an O-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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