Just in Atlanta Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 "I swear...if you took all the castaways from the Bills, you'd have a pretty damn good team. They just don't do it right at all." Was pretty high on this team. All we got, which is to say all the owner gets, is some freed up salary. A 4th rd pick does nothing. How can you trade your only card (WR depth) that actually was above average? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 welp, they cut McGahee this year after a couple of lackluster seasons. lets see how great they make Evans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 welp, they cut McGahee this year after a couple of lackluster seasons. lets see how great they make Evans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 What "castaways" would make a good team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 What "castaways" would make a good team? Pat Williams, Greer, Winfield, Clements, Jim Leonard, Peters, Fletcher, Spikes, Lynch, add Poz to that list now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defend Greece Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Qb-? Rb-lynch McGahee Henry Fb-Morris Wr-evans Owens Te-royal T -peters Chambers Walker G-dockery Williams C? De-? Dt-Williams Bannan Hardgrove Lb-spikes Fletcher Poz Crowell Palmer Mitchell Harris Cb-Clements Winfield Greer S- whitner Leonard Wire (lb) Yeah almost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekertesz88 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 I can see Maybin lining up next to Ray Lewis and Ed Reed already.........then being handed back the water bottles so he can return to his customary spot at the end of the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Pat Williams, Greer, Winfield, Clements, Jim Leonard, Peters, Fletcher, Spikes, Lynch, add Poz to that list now. Lynch? Poz? Spikes? Are we stretching things a little? PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 We've had plenty of talented players. Not many (any?) great players. We tend not to keep our talented players, though, so we can never actually build a successful team. We don't do it right, indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Pat Williams, Greer, Winfield, Clements, Jim Leonard, Peters, Fletcher, Spikes, Lynch, add Poz to that list now. what's funny is that we tried to re-sign almost all of those guys-- PW, AW, Greer, Fletcher, and Poz. Even Peters was more of a contract issue, and Clements would have broken the bank. Baltimore is good because they draft really well and hang onto their own great guys. I don't recall their trades and FA signings being all that great--trading for Boldin (sub-par year last year), and McGahee (sub-par career) weren't very successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_wag Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 seriously, it's a joke......while other teams develop draft picks we blow them or, in this case, piss them away for next to nothing......which is why this team is on a treadmill and that won't change until the owner goes.......you can't "build through the draft" when you keep screwing it up love to see things turn around but have lost the faith, especially when after a decade of losing they pull a move like this.....it really just says it all - anyone smoking the "rebuilding" pipe hasn't been around long enough to know it's a load of garbage with ralph in charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 what's funny is that we tried to re-sign almost all of those guys-- PW, AW, Greer, Fletcher, and Poz. Even Peters was more of a contract issue, and Clements would have broken the bank. Baltimore is good because they draft really well and hang onto their own great guys. I don't recall their trades and FA signings being all that great--trading for Boldin (sub-par year last year), and McGahee (sub-par career) weren't very successful. Good players don't want to a) be paid nothing and b) play for a losing franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanM.D. Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 welp, they cut McGahee this year after a couple of lackluster seasons. lets see how great they make Evans... Hopefully Evans doesn't leave Baltimore with the Brinks truck stuffed like McGahee did. Not only did Baltimore trade for him they gave him a big contract and he severely underperformed. Having said that I like Lee......Willis.....not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Lynch? Poz? Spikes? Are we stretching things a little? PTR Take off your Bills colored glasses and you will be hard pressed to find better players on our current roster. Spikes yes but he is so old now thats another issue. Poz, Ill give you Burnett but we start two MLBs now. Lynch is an argument, but he is better than Spiller and I always liked him better than Jackson, who is also good. Besides, you need a minimum of 2 RBs these days. Add in draft picks (who the Bills took v who they should have taken (not in hindsight)) and you have a team of pro bowlers v a team of crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Hopefully Evans doesn't leave Baltimore with the Brinks truck stuffed like McGahee did. Not only did Baltimore trade for him they gave him a big contract and he severely underperformed. Having said that I like Lee......Willis.....not so much. We got TWO #3s for McGoofus. I guess we couldn't pull off another deal that good again. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Pat Williams, Greer, Winfield, Clements, Jim Leonard, Peters, Fletcher, Spikes, Lynch, add Poz to that list now. Mary Ann, Ginger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanM.D. Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 We got TWO #3s for McGoofus. I guess we couldn't pull off another deal that good again. PTR Remember at the time he was the 'best back in the NFL' .....at least in his own mind. I guess the Ravens bought what he was selling on multiple levels.....picks and cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsLux Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Seriously, wouldn't you be stoked if you just traded a 4th round pick for Lee Evans? Does anyone really think the probabilities are high that any team (not just us) would get a 4th round pick that produces more than Evans (and yes, I know his age)? And by the way, it's been terrible rooting for a quality guy and a leader on the team. He was one of the few BILLS. I love the deep financial analysis on the salary cap. IF my memory serves me correct, we're currently way below it, and we've done nothing to put a few guys in front of Fitzpatrick to save him from getting killed.Maybe, just maybe, if we had a line, then Fitz would have the 3-4 seconds to see Evan breaking open down the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpcolosi Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 they were stoked when they got McGahee, who was younger and coming off a few better season than lee, too... oops. talk about a waste of millions. Nice job on that one Newsome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Seriously, wouldn't you be stoked if you just traded a 4th round pick for Lee Evans? Does anyone really think the probabilities are high that any team (not just us) would get a 4th round pick that produces more than Evans (and yes, I know his age)? And by the way, it's been terrible rooting for a quality guy and a leader on the team. He was one of the few BILLS. I love the deep financial analysis on the salary cap. IF my memory serves me correct, we're currently way below it, and we've done nothing to put a few guys in front of Fitzpatrick to save him from getting killed.Maybe, just maybe, if we had a line, then Fitz would have the 3-4 seconds to see Evan breaking open down the field. Amen Evans was drawing most of the coverage and opposing teams only really saw him as the Bills best WR threat, which left Stevie Johnson open and single covered most of the time. Just looking at the games after Evans was injured the offense didn't look nearly as good as when he was on the field. So, unless someone steps up to draw coverages away from Johnson i don't see the offense as being as successful as when the Bills had Evans. Yea, you are right, If I were a Raven fan I'd be stoked as they got the Bills best wideout for a 4th, Flacco must be drooling Anyway, best wishes to Lee Evans, a class act and I hope he gets a SB ring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 (edited) I see no reason why David Nelson can't be the new Stevie Johnson. Stevie if anything might be peeved that he will draw the double coverage now. But then again we also have the Wildcat threat in Smith. Oh and don't forget the bums we have on defense: Merriman, Williams, and some stiff named Dareus. We'll be lucky to win a game. . PTR Edited August 13, 2011 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamslam Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Seriously, wouldn't you be stoked if you just traded a 4th round pick for Lee Evans? Does anyone really think the probabilities are high that any team (not just us) would get a 4th round pick that produces more than Evans (and yes, I know his age)? And by the way, it's been terrible rooting for a quality guy and a leader on the team. He was one of the few BILLS. I love the deep financial analysis on the salary cap. IF my memory serves me correct, we're currently way below it, and we've done nothing to put a few guys in front of Fitzpatrick to save him from getting killed.Maybe, just maybe, if we had a line, then Fitz would have the 3-4 seconds to see Evan breaking open down the field. I agree, Willis was a bum. U all wanted lee gone....so accept it now. It's not hard to replace a reciever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbillsfan Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 it is like the old eddie murphy joke, if you give a man trapped in the desert a cracker , he will think it is the best damn thing he ever ate. The Ravens wr are a mess after boldin and maybe even boldin(he has received a pounding over the years ).Evans to them represents an up grade . To the bills he was an aging expensive player blocking younger player who will be more productive. CAN WE PLAESE MOVE ON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Seriously, wouldn't you be stoked if you just traded a 4th round pick for Lee Evans? Does anyone really think the probabilities are high that any team (not just us) would get a 4th round pick that produces more than Evans (and yes, I know his age)? And by the way, it's been terrible rooting for a quality guy and a leader on the team. He was one of the few BILLS. I love the deep financial analysis on the salary cap. IF my memory serves me correct, we're currently way below it, and we've done nothing to put a few guys in front of Fitzpatrick to save him from getting killed.Maybe, just maybe, if we had a line, then Fitz would have the 3-4 seconds to see Evan breaking open down the field. Lee has averaged only 4.75 TD catches per season the last four years. So the answer to that question is yes. Look no further than Stevie Johnson who was a seventh round pick. This team has a bunch of WRs drafted fourth and beyond who have real shots at outproducing Evans...Marcus Easley was drafted in the 4th and he looks like he's the real deal. Roosevelt and Nelson were undrafted rookies yet looked great last year. I could see anyone of those guys having over 5 TD catches. Though I've always liked Evans, I'm stoked that he's gone. To me he was the best of the Bills' "never living up to their billing" players over the last decade. Was he ever a top 10 receiver in the league? But that's what we as fans were expecting from him. This whole past decade we've watched guys never quite get to the level where we thought they'd get to. So Lee was a quality guy on and off the field, but I could never get past looking at him and wonder why he never became our Andre Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Amen Evans was drawing most of the coverage and opposing teams only really saw him as the Bills best WR threat, which left Stevie Johnson open and single covered most of the time. Just looking at the games after Evans was injured the offense didn't look nearly as good as when he was on the field. So, unless someone steps up to draw coverages away from Johnson i don't see the offense as being as successful as when the Bills had Evans. Yea, you are right, If I were a Raven fan I'd be stoked as they got the Bills best wideout for a 4th, Flacco must be drooling Anyway, best wishes to Lee Evans, a class act and I hope he gets a SB ring My thoughts exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 (edited) Take off your Bills colored glasses and you will be hard pressed to find better players on our current roster. Spikes yes but he is so old now thats another issue. IIRC, Spikes, who was coming off an Achilles' tear, was pretty upset over the way Troy Vincent was treated. TKO also had no desire to mentor a bunch of young guys, and requested to be traded. Bottom line, once DJ came on board, Spikes was not a happy camper. welp, they cut McGahee this year after a couple of lackluster seasons. lets see how great they make Evans... IMHO, Evans will be more productive than McStupid could ever hope. Willis had talent but had zero internal motivation. Edited August 13, 2011 by Cynical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 The Bills have been, for about a decade, one of the farm teams for the rest of the NFL. They don't draft consistently, and when they do manage to get a decent player through the draft or UDFA, said players tend to get signed by competitive teams in free agency. And the complete inconsistency (or completely consistent suckiness) makes it impossible to attract decent FAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvrOfficiousJerk Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 (edited) Qb-? Rb-lynch McGahee Henry Et al. Yeah almost Getting rid of vets can be divided into these categories Aging - Owens, Mitchell, Sam Adams, Vincent Who would've seen that coming? - Morris, Hargrove, Bannan, Leonhard (I would say he was more Rex's pet project), Ron Edwards Over-priced - Clements, McGahee, Poz Who cares? - Royal, Crowell, everyone else Probably should've kept him around - Peters, Williams, Greer, Winfield, Fletcher (borderline aging), Jennings, Spikes (both previous are borderline bc injury prone) With all the names that have been dropped, I would be surprised if there was more than these seven players (for that matter, only four unconditionally) that were worth keeping around after they left. Granted, many of these names were serviceable, and kept around if for no other reason so that draft picks could be used elsewhere, but you'd have a hard argument that you could "make a team" with all of our castoffs after they left. FWIW, here's my extended list - QB - Zero RB - Lynch (still too early to make a judgment call); [not worried about McGahee (other than 2007 Pro Bowl season, has been vulturing/leeching yrds. and TDs from Rice), Henry (one 1,000 season after he left, then child support and drug problems took over)] FB - Morris (only a factor bc Belicheck plugs him into a system that squeezes talent out of aging veterans) WR - Zero [Evans (still too early); Owens (old when he got her, older after he left; a couple solid games a good year does not make)] TE - Zero [royal (really? I'm in Cleveland now and people cringe everytime the ball is thrown his way; an okay TE but hardly the next coming of Pete Metzelaars)] T - Jennings (great talent, but wayyy too injury prone), Peters (yea, shoulda kept him around), J. Scott (serviceable, but hardly a starter. If Big Ben was 3" and 30lb. less, he'd be on IR after Week 2) [not worried about Chambers, Walker] G- Zero C - Zero De- Ron Edwards (still making his way around the league, surprisingly enough, but who would've seen that coming?) Edited August 13, 2011 by OvrOfficiousJerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstealer Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 We got TWO #3s for McGoofus. I guess we couldn't pull off another deal that good again. PTR Trent and Cj Ahyou I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Contrary to popular opinion I disagree with most of you. I feel what the Bills have been lacking is "high end" talent. Most of the players we have lost don't fit that profile. So I'm of the opinion that letting them go is ok and I certainly don't want to overpay to keep those mid level players here. I for one am glad we didn't have Clements and Peters salaries and that we don't have Poz's. I also believe we are building the aforementioned "high end" talent. We are going to love Merriman, Williams, and Dareus. Guys to build a defense around (high end talent). I think Wood and Levitre are cornerstones on the line (again guys to build a line around). I still believe Spiller is going to be something special and Stevie is on his way, and Freddie is there (guys to build around). With the potential IMO of high end guys like A.Williams, Moats, Carrington, Byrd, and I believe someone will step up out of the other WR corps. Things are looking up fellow Bills fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Trent and Cj Ahyou I think Trent and Stroud I thought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 IMI, Evans was overrated in Buffalo. Everyone fell in love with Evans' ability to catch the deep pass consistently when Losman wad in town. But Losman's only game was the deep pass, he sucked in the short to intermediate game (same went for Evans). Evans had 2 1000 yards seasons out of 7. If anyone thinks Evans is going to put up career numbers in Baltimore, just look at how Donte Stallworth & TJ Hoosyourmama did in Baltimore. IMO (damn auto correct) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Qb-? Rb-lynch McGahee Henry Fb-Morris Wr-evans Owens Te-royal T -peters Chambers Walker G-dockery Williams C? De-? Dt-Williams Bannan Hardgrove Lb-spikes Fletcher Poz Crowell Palmer Mitchell Harris Cb-Clements Winfield Greer S- whitner Leonard Wire (lb) Yeah almost 7-9 Take off your Bills colored glasses and you will be hard pressed to find better players on our current roster. Spikes yes but he is so old now thats another issue. Poz, Ill give you Burnett but we start two MLBs now. Lynch is an argument, but he is better than Spiller and I always liked him better than Jackson, who is also good. Besides, you need a minimum of 2 RBs these days. Add in draft picks (who the Bills took v who they should have taken (not in hindsight)) and you have a team of pro bowlers v a team of crap. Lynch stunk last year with Seattle, with the only exception being that once in a lifetime run in the playoffs. That overshadowed a largely unimpressive showing with his new team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playboy reese 2.0 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Baltimore really wanted cotchery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 take Peters out of that probably should of kept and it is pretty accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Mary Ann, Ginger Overrated IMO. Mary Ann was way better. Prolly that school girl thing she had going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floridabillfan Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Once again we will see another former Bill wearing a super bowl ring with some other team. The front office is killing the team, and it's been one agonizing slow miserable death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 How can a "castaway" be someone who left as a free agent? Not in my Websters, especially with something called a salary cap in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf Fub Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 I don't get the outrage over this move. I know stats do not tell the whole story but if you sort by "receiving" on nfl.com you'll see that he was the 71th best WR in 2010, 62nd in 2009 and 19th in 2008. The later was one of his two 1000 yard seasons. I sorted based on yardage, not receptions, because he's a long ball player. (Which made him look better.) I think people give him the benefit of the doubt because he seems like a nice guy. (I'm sure he is a nice guy, I just remember when OJ was Buffalo's sweetheart. I don't know the man.) His career as a Bill makes me think of him as the Donte Whitner of the offense. Not a bad player (but not really that good either) than we spent a high draft pick to get. Flacco is a the best QB he will have played with so maybe the move will work in his favor. If it does, good for him. I don't think his performance, in Buffalo, would have been much better than last year, however. Let the young guys get their experience in the hopes that we will eventually be good again.(Plus, if we want a vet to take away playing time from the young guys, I'd rather have TO back. Even at his advanced age, he's better.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 How can a "castaway" be someone who left as a free agent? Not in my Websters, especially with something called a salary cap in place. The whiners are reaching in all directions for fuel to feed their projected self-loathing..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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