UFO Found on Ocean Floor?

[ALF]

Edward Snowden searched the CIA's networks for proof that aliens exist. Here's what he found

 

As a former employee of the CIA and contractor for the National Security Agency, Snowden had access to some of the nation's most closely held secrets.

And, like any curious mind with access to the CIA's version of Google might do, he went in search of answers to some of society's most pressing questions.

As it turns out, the US government is not aware of any intelligent, extraterrestrial life, he says.
"For the record, as far as I could tell, aliens have never contacted Earth, or at least they haven't contacted US intelligence," Snowden writes in his recent memoir, "Permanent Record."

 

Also, the moon landing did indeed occur.
"In case you were wondering: Yes, man really did land on the moon. Climate change is real. Chemtrails are not a thing," he adds.

I had ridiculous access to the networks of the NSA, the CIA, the military, all these groups. I couldn't find anything," 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/23/us/edward-snowden-joe-rogan-conspiracies-trnd/index.html

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Lat me repeat myself

 

Soooo your saying Billions of tax $ are going to (some) waste?

 

NASA's Planet-Hunting Probe Joins the Search for Intelligent Aliens

https://www.space.com/breakthrough-listen-nasa-tess-seti-search.html

 

 

Scientists with the TESS mission will work with the Breakthrough Listen project. 

Keep it going NASA  I like being employed for a non-existent entity 

 

NASA's newest planet hunter is joining the hunt for intelligent aliens.

Scientists working on the space agency's Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite (TESS) mission will collaborate with the $100 million Breakthrough Listen project in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI), members of both teams announced today (Oct. 23).

[/dev/null]

6 hours ago, ALF said:

Edward Snowden searched the CIA's networks for proof that aliens exist. Here's what he found

 

As a former employee of the CIA and contractor for the National Security Agency, Snowden had access to some of the nation's most closely held secrets.

And, like any curious mind with access to the CIA's version of Google might do, he went in search of answers to some of society's most pressing questions.

As it turns out, the US government is not aware of any intelligent, extraterrestrial life, he says.
"For the record, as far as I could tell, aliens have never contacted Earth, or at least they haven't contacted US intelligence," Snowden writes in his recent memoir, "Permanent Record."

 

Also, the moon landing did indeed occur.
"In case you were wondering: Yes, man really did land on the moon. Climate change is real. Chemtrails are not a thing," he adds.

I had ridiculous access to the networks of the NSA, the CIA, the military, all these groups. I couldn't find anything," 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/23/us/edward-snowden-joe-rogan-conspiracies-trnd/index.html

 

Somewhere in California DR is curled up in a fetal position mumbling #notmysnowden

[snafu]

6 hours ago, ALF said:

"In case you were wondering: Yes, man really did land on the moon. Climate change is real. Chemtrails are not a thing," he adds.

 

Uh huh...

There's obviously an additive that forces us to deny that chemtrails are a "thing".

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Edward Snowden says the government isn’t hiding aliens – but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist

https://www.yahoo.com/news/edward-snowden-says-government-isn-120026020.html

 

color me surprised 

Corrections & Clarifications: An earlier version of this article misstated the title of Edward Snowden's book, "Permanent Record.

19 hours ago, /dev/null said:

 

Somewhere in California DR is curled up in a fetal position mumbling #notmysnowden

 

[4merper4mer]

23 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

Edward Snowden says the government isn’t hiding aliens – but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist

https://www.yahoo.com/news/edward-snowden-says-government-isn-120026020.html

 

color me surprised 

Corrections & Clarifications: An earlier version of this article misstated the title of Edward Snowden's book, "Permanent Record.

 

Th US government having no knowledge of aliens does not disprove aliens.  It is just another data point in the multitude that all trend in that direction.  There hasn't been a single data point indicating intelligent alien life ever discovered.  

 

Snowden's revelation is interesting but not surprising.  To be fair, it wouldn't be safe to simply assume he is a reliable source.  Personally I assume this detail is true because it lines up with every other detail available since the beginning of time, but I can see why someone might be reluctant to take Snowden at his word.

 

I enjoy reading about the discovery of these planets even if it is a bit scary for future generations.  At some point we may discover a viable target and our technology should evolve.  Whether it is realistic to ever have a human payload traveling that far is still a question, but it will be answered in time.  The universe is likely 100% ours, but it may turn out that we are locked in our little room called Earth.  Even then, we would find fascinating ways to expand and explore from afar.

Edited October 26, 2019 by 4merper4mer

[ALF]

NASA scientist creates engine concept that can reach 'close to the speed of light'

 

A NASA scientist has created a new concept for an engine that he says can move "close to the speed of light" – all without any moving parts or need for fuel.

 

The paper, written by David Burns from NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center, discusses a "helical engine" that can be used to travel across interstellar distances, send astronauts to the moon in approximately one second and Mars in less than 13 minutes, according to The Sun, which first reported the news.

 

"A new concept for in-space propulsion is proposed in which propellant is not ejected from the engine, but instead is captured to create a nearly infinite specific impulse," Burns wrote in the paper's abstract. "The engine accelerates ions confined in a loop to moderate relativistic speeds, and then varies their velocity to make slight changes to their mass. The engine then moves ions back and forth along the direction of travel to produce thrust. This in-space engine could be used for long-term satellite station-keeping without refueling."

 

The concept, which Burns admitted he is not sure is viable, takes inspiration from high-tech particle accelerators, similar to what is seen at the Large Hadron Collider at CERN.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/science/nasa-creates-engine-concept-speed-of-light

[ICanSleepWhenI'mDead]

Of course, it would take no energy at all to speed up the ions in one direction while slowing them down in the other, so yeah, this thing oughta work right out of the box.

 

How'd he get a job at NASA?

[Warcodered]

16 hours ago, ALF said:

NASA scientist creates engine concept that can reach 'close to the speed of light'

 

A NASA scientist has created a new concept for an engine that he says can move "close to the speed of light" – all without any moving parts or need for fuel.

 

The paper, written by David Burns from NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center, discusses a "helical engine" that can be used to travel across interstellar distances, send astronauts to the moon in approximately one second and Mars in less than 13 minutes, according to The Sun, which first reported the news.

 

"A new concept for in-space propulsion is proposed in which propellant is not ejected from the engine, but instead is captured to create a nearly infinite specific impulse," Burns wrote in the paper's abstract. "The engine accelerates ions confined in a loop to moderate relativistic speeds, and then varies their velocity to make slight changes to their mass. The engine then moves ions back and forth along the direction of travel to produce thrust. This in-space engine could be used for long-term satellite station-keeping without refueling."

 

The concept, which Burns admitted he is not sure is viable, takes inspiration from high-tech particle accelerators, similar to what is seen at the Large Hadron Collider at CERN.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/science/nasa-creates-engine-concept-speed-of-light

Disregarding whether his engine would work or not a lot in this article seems pretty stupid. Saying it could travel to the moon in 1 second and mars in 13 minutes is ridiculous and ignores at least two fundamental things. 1. There is a limit to how fast you can accelerate without it killing you and I'm guessing 0-almost the speed of light would do it. 2. You have to slow down so you don't hit it or fly by it and again you can only slow down so fast.

[4merper4mer]

Any signals detected?

[4merper4mer]

On October 28, 2019 at 7:19 PM, 4merper4mer said:

Any signals detected?

I guess not.

[Foxx]

21 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

I guess not.

well, looks like you've found Uranus anyways.

i kid... i kid...

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

The aliens gave us, well the government a time machine ya see. 
 

How else would the Smoking Man know that the Bills would never win a SB as long as he lived? 
 

The Truth is out there. 

Edited November 3, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost

[4merper4mer]

On October 16, 2019 at 10:32 AM, 4merper4mer said:

I saw a video from some science chick saying that if space was all the oceans on Earth, we've looked at basically a hot tub full of water in our searches.  Is that basically what you're saying?

I can see why @Patrick_Duffy doesn't want to answer this, but it also leads me to think that he knows the answer and doesn't like it.  Congrats Pat, you're coming around.  Almost there.

[Dante]

On 10/16/2019 at 7:18 AM, Patrick_Duffy said:

 

Whatever dude.This stuff could come out after you and I are dead, it could come out 50 years from now or more. Nobody knows. Doesn't change the fact that you or I or anyone else for that matter knows for a fact of what's out there in space and what's not.

 

But anyways.... you do you bra, have at it.

It could be there is no "space" at all. At least not as it's been explained to us. Think the movie "The Village" Something to ponder. 

Edited November 5, 2019 by Dante

[Patrick Duffy]

2 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

I can see why @Patrick_Duffy doesn't want to answer this, but it also leads me to think that he knows the answer and doesn't like it.  Congrats Pat, you're coming around.  Almost there.

Man you're really sad. Did you not get the hint when I said for you to "you do you, have at it"? I know things are hard for you to understand but that means "go ahead and think what you want and I'm going to think what I want and done with this ignorant back and forth with your non sense".

 

Maybe you can grasp it this time homie. I hope I have been more clear for you this time. So again, have at it brah......

 

 

[4merper4mer]

57 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

Man you're really sad. Did you not get the hint when I said for you to "you do you, have at it"? I know things are hard for you to understand but that means "go ahead and think what you want and I'm going to think what I want and done with this ignorant back and forth with your non sense".

 

Maybe you can grasp it this time homie. I hope I have been more clear for you this time. So again, have at it brah......

 

 

Hey we can rely on different things to draw conclusions.  I was just trying to bring some math into the process and avoid emotions.  If you want to use 100% emotion and funny memes, that can be you.  I'll stick with facts.  I'm fine with "you doing you".  You might want to call it "feeling what you feel" instead of "thinking what you think" but maybe I'm splitting heirs.

[Patrick Duffy]

52 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Hey we can rely on different things to draw conclusions.  I was just trying to bring some math into the process and avoid emotions.  If you want to use 100% emotion and funny memes, that can be you.  I'll stick with facts.  I'm fine with "you doing you".  You might want to call it "feeling what you feel" instead of "thinking what you think" but maybe I'm splitting heirs.

 

[Warcodered]

12 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

I can see why @Patrick_Duffy doesn't want to answer this, but it also leads me to think that he knows the answer and doesn't like it.  Congrats Pat, you're coming around.  Almost there.

On 10/16/2019 at 8:32 AM, 4merper4mer said:

I saw a video from some science chick saying that if space was all the oceans on Earth, we've looked at basically a hot tub full of water in our searches.  Is that basically what you're saying?

I'm not sure that's accurate because space

On 8/22/2019 at 8:07 PM, Warcodered said:

Maybe @4merper4mer needs to see the size of the universe video.

 

 

It's like really big.

[4merper4mer]

6 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I'm not sure that's accurate because space

So maybe not a hot tub, maybe a thimble's worth?  

[LeGOATski]

I open this thread expecting to read something interesting or bizarre, but it's usually just @4merper4mer saying something dumb. ?

 

But, I feel like I should contribute more than just that...

 

http://video.foxnews.com/v/6088215683001/

 

Kaku did a great job of avoiding that last question. ?

[4merper4mer]

12 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

I open this thread expecting to read something interesting or bizarre, but it's usually just @4merper4mer saying something dumb. ?

 

But, I feel like I should contribute more than just that...

 

http://video.foxnews.com/v/6088215683001/

 

Kaku did a great job of avoiding that last question. ?

Good ole professor Kookoo keeping his name out there.  Exoplanets?  Really?  Why must he leave out so many pertinent data points?

[LeGOATski]

14 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Good ole professor Kookoo keeping his name out there.  Exoplanets?  Really?  Why must he leave out so many pertinent data points?

Kaku would be the Professor Mann character in Interstellar

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

A top Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee is accusing the Navy of withholding information about reports of unidentified aircraft after officially requesting more data on the mysterious encounters.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/06/navy-withholding-ufo-sightings-1698396

 

[sherpa]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

A top Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee is accusing the Navy of withholding information about reports of unidentified aircraft after officially requesting more data on the mysterious encounters.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/06/navy-withholding-ufo-sightings-1698396

 

 

Having read the link, it isn't quite what the headline suggests.

His complaint was that the Navy has not provided detailed information on the threat such things might pose.

Nobody knows what they could do, since nobody knows their potential capability, so how do you respond to such a request?

No story here.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

56 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

Having read the link, it isn't quite what the headline suggests.

His complaint was that the Navy has not provided detailed information on the threat such things might pose.

Nobody knows what they could do, since nobody knows their potential capability, so how do you respond to such a request?

No story here.

 

which seems to be the norm with interned stories 

 

I just copied something relatively new for 4mer 

[ICanSleepWhenI'mDead]

Just came across this article originally published about 2 years ago and thought some here might find it interesting.  My apologies if previously posted - - I didn't wade through the last 2 years of this thread to check:

 

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/why-we-ll-have-evidence-of-aliens-if-they-exist-by-2035?utm_source=pocket-newtab

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Watching Ancient Aliens earlier.  
 

The prime directive.  
 

do not interfere in the primitive races 

 

I guess they need better stealth technology 

 

[4merper4mer]

21 hours ago, ICanSleepWhenI'mDead said:

Just came across this article originally published about 2 years ago and thought some here might find it interesting.  My apologies if previously posted - - I didn't wade through the last 2 years of this thread to check:

 

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/why-we-ll-have-evidence-of-aliens-if-they-exist-by-2035?utm_source=pocket-newtab

It'll take 15 more years and this doofus will understand sitcom math.

[/dev/null]

On 11/8/2019 at 7:16 PM, SlimShady'sGhost said:

Watching Ancient Aliens earlier.  
 

The prime directive.  
 

do not interfere in the primitive races 

 

I guess they need better stealth technology 

 

 

The Prime Directive sounds great on Star Trek.  I doubt any advanced alien civilizations (or humans if we ever reach beyond Earth) would apply the same high minded approach

 

I think another Sci-Fi classic should be considered with any potential alien visitation:  War of the Worlds.  The big bad scary aliens came to conquer the Earth but were defeated by microbes and germs

 

If there is an alien visitation, I suspect Earth is in Quarantine until the visitors know the planets eco-system and existing biology is not harmful to them.

 

If the visitors are friendly they may also have Earth in Quarantine to protect the existing life from whatever they are carrying.  Look to our own history for an example.  When Europeans arrived the New World, they unknowingly carried with them countless diseases that the Old World had developed a resistance or immunity to.  Diseases that devastated the native populations

 

When the quarantine period is over, they will make their presence know.  Whether as friends or conquerors remains to be seen

[4merper4mer]

4 hours ago, /dev/null said:

 

The Prime Directive sounds great on Star Trek.  I doubt any advanced alien civilizations (or humans if we ever reach beyond Earth) would apply the same high minded approach

 

I think another Sci-Fi classic should be considered with any potential alien visitation:  War of the Worlds.  The big bad scary aliens came to conquer the Earth but were defeated by microbes and germs

 

If there is an alien visitation, I suspect Earth is in Quarantine until the visitors know the planets eco-system and existing biology is not harmful to them.

 

If the visitors are friendly they may also have Earth in Quarantine to protect the existing life from whatever they are carrying.  Look to our own history for an example.  When Europeans arrived the New World, they unknowingly carried with them countless diseases that the Old World had developed a resistance or immunity to.  Diseases that devastated the native populations

 

When the quarantine period is over, they will make their presence know.  Whether as friends or conquerors remains to be seen

If aliens were to exist and try to visit Earth, you have made potentially valid points, but only covered some of these points.

 

If they are advanced enough to travel the distances involved, they have likely conquered all disease and have the ability to detect and dispatch threats very quickly.   Could they adapt to what must be different gravity, pressure, seasonal cycles, atmosphere and on and on?  I'd think yes, because as complex as all of the above are, the distance issue is still probably tougher.  

 

Look at all the things we'd have to do to travel beyond our system carrying a human payload.  If it isn't impossible, which it very well may be, it is excruciatingly tough and frankly, likely not worth it.  We could transport future generations with techno guardians so much more easily.  For the generations already born, I could see a space faring craft that is a permanent dwelling but not really going anywhere except away from danger.

 

Aliens if they existed, which they demonstrably don't, would have the same issues. Von Neumann probes, controlled by AI and carrying DNA codes would already be here if they were ever coming.  They aren't.  Anything carrying a living being would likely be way after that. 

[/dev/null]

3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

If they are advanced enough to travel the distances involved, they have likely conquered all disease and have the ability to detect and dispatch threats very quickly.  

I beg to differ

 

Any civilization advanced enough to travel the distances involved would understand that they have not "conquered all disease and have the ability to detect and dispatch threats very quickly."  They would understand there are variables to measure and study before taking action

[4merper4mer]

6 hours ago, /dev/null said:

I beg to differ

 

Any civilization advanced enough to travel the distances involved would understand that they have not "conquered all disease and have the ability to detect and dispatch threats very quickly."  They would understand there are variables to measure and study before taking action

They would have technology that rapidly does that.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/article237149289.html

 

 

Strange ‘rotating disc’ caught on video by driver stuck in NC traffic. Is it a UFO?

 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a29771548/navy-ufo-witnesses-tell-truth/

[Hedge]

I think the whole thing is worth a watch, but this is queued to the relevant time that shows the possible source of some sightings. Imagine these swarms, at night, with lights on them.

 

 

I came across the video from this article, which is also interesting:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29505/the-navys-secretive-nemesis-electronic-warfare-capability-will-change-naval-combat-forever

 

[Deranged Rhino]

Hmm... not sure about this one. But sharing it for others to see (the video that is)

 

[Augie]

I came to THIS thread to get away from some of the crazies.....how crazy is THAT?   ?

[LeGOATski]

7 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Hmm... not sure about this one. But sharing it for others to see (the video that is)

 

Looks like junk. 

 

Even if it was an alien spacecraft, that guy's voice makes me want to disregard everything he says.

[Warcodered]

On 11/10/2019 at 4:44 PM, /dev/null said:

 

The Prime Directive sounds great on Star Trek.  I doubt any advanced alien civilizations (or humans if we ever reach beyond Earth) would apply the same high minded approach

 

I think another Sci-Fi classic should be considered with any potential alien visitation:  War of the Worlds.  The big bad scary aliens came to conquer the Earth but were defeated by microbes and germs

 

If there is an alien visitation, I suspect Earth is in Quarantine until the visitors know the planets eco-system and existing biology is not harmful to them.

 

If the visitors are friendly they may also have Earth in Quarantine to protect the existing life from whatever they are carrying.  Look to our own history for an example.  When Europeans arrived the New World, they unknowingly carried with them countless diseases that the Old World had developed a resistance or immunity to.  Diseases that devastated the native populations

 

When the quarantine period is over, they will make their presence know.  Whether as friends or conquerors remains to be seen

I don't know if it's an issue for us with isolated tribes then I'd say there is a decent chance it'd be a major issue with Aliens or us if we became interstellar like that.