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IDK how I feel about this. As a lot of posters alluded, he disappears for stretches. I feel like the money could’ve been better invested to a high level FA or trade. We are not a rebuilding team. The Bills are literally 2 blue chip players away from dethroning KC. Maybe Beane knows something we don’t? Maybe he realizes Garrett/Crosby/Metcalf will be unattainable? The positives are he is a homegrown player that can rack up 8-10 sacks along w/ being force against the run. Going into year 5 does he have the chance to get better? I’ll give the Tremaine Edmunds argument that he is still only 24. We shall see. Trust the process !

Other than stats a case can be made that that D had more talent (Edmunds, Milano, TJ, Poyer, White), but this D has shown signs of playing the system better, and our OL has more talent to give the D more rest.

While you can hope the player will be a 10 year or more franchise guy, the bottom line is you draft a player for 4-5 years and with free agency, you can't count on him playing for you more than 5 seasons. Since you cannot guarantee the guy will even make it to a 2nd contract with your team, age shouldn't be a factor. Remember when we drafted Edmunds, he'd still be so young after 5 years? How did that work out? 5 years of mediocre play & gone via FA. Draft a player who can contribute for 5 years & don't look ahead to a 2nd contract, because odds are he won't be getting a 2nd contract with your team.

While we're naming names, add Groot to the list of no-shows last night. He spent more time on the ground than upright. I don't think we pay him or at least I think we shouldn't. Another Edmunds situation as far as I'm concerned. He just never showed me enough and never shined-through when we needed it most.

People complain about cooper usage - "Cooper probably needed surgery" - INJURY EXCUSE! People complain about Coleman - "He's young" - HEARD THAT WITH EDMUNDS A team... that was expected by many pundits to finish 3rd in the division... went to the AFC championship and almost knocked off a dynasty (7 AFC championships in 7 seasons is ridiculous)... and people want to fire the coach that got them there, and the GM who put the team together.

I’d LOVE to have him coming off the bench. He’s smart, disciplined and can make a play here or there. But he’s not someone I pay big money for. The Bills need more difference makers. Groot is a fantastic piece to a rotation but he’s not the guy. Sadly he’s going to demand “the guy” money so much like Edmunds you gotta let him go.

100%. I was an Edmunds hater, but the guy was available all the time, so sick of seeing Baylon Spector even active on game day.

When Beane trades up, watch out. He traded up for Edmunds in 2018, up for Cody Ford in 2020, up for Elam in 2021, and up for Kincaid in 2022. Not exactly an all-star lineup. Plus, who knows if he would have hit, if only by chance, on all those picks he surrendered to trade up. No GM hits on everything, and they all have picks that are howlers. But for whatever reason, Beane tends to do worse than his top peers in the early rounds and better in the later ones. Given this, maybe he should be looking to trade way down, like into the third and fourth rounds, when he may tend to rely on the judgment of his experts instead of his own and McDermott's.

Christ, we couldn't even get many here to realize it was Tremaine Edmunds on the Bills, not Edmonds. One guy even called him Edwards. * And don't try to figure out who the £¥€% McKittrick was. 🤨

I love when Edmunds comes up on a running play and runs straight into a lineman.

Whoever is running the Bears pro personnel dept should be fired for the Edmunds decision alone. No way could he have watched Bills games and thought Edmunds was worth $17M/yr. He wasn’t worth a dime more than Milano in his prime.

I was thinking the other day on how likely it is that we will be drafting a RB. Then thought further on how it seems like we invest a lot at RB in the draft, but do we? It's hard to really say something is a lot without context. So I took every draft from 2017 to current, assigned each draft pick a point value based on the attached draft value chart. https://overthecap.com/draft-trade-value-chart Then I measured where each team is spending the highest budget by position. I looked at it as a % of the total a team has. In the graph below it is stacked by the total draft capitol each team has had since 2017. Buffalo came in 4th to the lowest in that area because we always pick so late. But as far as the %'s go, that is relative to each teams individual draft capitol. So if Buffalo has 37293 and has spent 13.4% at WR, the total capitol they spent at WR is 5,014 (13.4% of the 37293) Note: A good Samaritan called out that the LB category was likely underrepresented and he was correct, it didn't include position "ILB" which excluded Edmunds so he is now added in. That update is down thread a bit.

Yeah, we should resign Tremaine Edmunds as soon as we can. That's the kind of guy you can rely on. Beat me by 30 seconds

Josh Rosen still being developed... Dion Dawkins traded for a 3rd cause he is too mean... Steph Diggs never traded for... Hamlin gone cause he cares to much, Rapp gone or never signed cause he hits too much, Zay Jones still starting because he is gonna be a great one... Tremaine Edmunds still with the Bills cause he is only 14 yrs old and has tremendous upside... Rex Ryan on his 2nd stint with the team after Adams fired Phil Jackson cause "who knew Basketball didnt translate well to football"... Jim Kelly hired as LB coach cause thats where he played 2 way in HS and we had an open spot.. Dorsey still OC cause he is the only OC that would stay... Rexies Bro is DC... and Adams looking to get Brett Hull out of retirement as K cause his kick ins are clutch... oh wait that was only a skate in the crease.. no matter... he gets him anyways.. the new stadium doesnt get built but the Highmark has the best renovated bathrooms in the league... and lastly... he eschews free agent signings in lieu of using the money on tropical heat lamps so we can grow palm trees outside Highmark....

Edmunds and Rousseau are both mediocre 1st round picks who will not be worthy of a 2nd contract with the Bills. Tremaine poached tackles his whole career and after 4 seasons, Groot averages 6.2 sacks. Is that a game wrecker?...elite?....worth 20M/ yr? Can we just admit that defensively Beane's failed in the first 3 rounds. So much so that we resorted to desperation signing a 33 yr old pass rusher. And I guarantee you Donald made Von, not visa versa. If by some act of God we can trade for Maxx/ Myles....at least they're still in their 20's.....

This thread seems like it's a disguised, "bashing Tremaine Edmund's thread"... And I'm all for it as the dude sucks

Yeah Beane is late to the party when it comes to the value of drafting and developing WR talent. He's had a couple day 3 guys pan out as high end WR3's in Davis and Shakir. But everything else Allen has had at WR has had to be acquired at great expense thru trade or free agency. Those moves tend to yield very short term rewards and then you gotta' double down with another vet etc.. But they are necessary when you don't take shots in the draft. WR is not an easy position to evaluate........there is a high failure rate, for sure. You gotta' take shots. Over the years we've pointed out a lot of players Beane has passed over who would have been excellent additions to the WR corps. But also, Beane's obsession with trading up on day 1 and 2 for anything but a WR has cost them some picks that would have been well spent on WR. The Edmunds trade up cost them pick 65. The next WR selected after pick 65 was Michael Gallup........who would have been an outstanding fit with Allen. The next year they traded up for Cody Ford. It was only 2 spots up but the next WR picked after the selection they dealt(158) was Darius Slayton. Two guys who would have provided a key missing element for the team in the early 2020's. So it's not even just the actual picks it's a combination of non-swings and failed trade-ups.

Rousseau sucked in the AFC Championship game. He’d been setting the edge all year and he gave it up at least 5x in the AFCCG including Mahomes TD. I don’t care if you didn’t see it on film, after the first 2 times Reid baited your ass inside you should have learned. I can’t believe how often he gave that edge up. So I’m in the let him play out his 5th year camp. If he explodes, we pay the man. Otherwise it’s another Tremaine Edmunds dump and hopefully we get a good comp pick. We can’t keep running back the same D-line that is the reason we get bounced out of the playoffs every single year.

Sign Rousseau... sure... but sign him with the awareness of how streaky he is and in really important games he seems to disappear... that should factor into the money equation... the reality is that I feel it is gonna be a Tremaine Edmunds situation.... where player is ok... never gonna be a game wrecker, we aint gonna pay him like one, but some one will and then will regret it.... That said... you get him on a good deal I am fine with that... otherwise look to upgrade thru the draft... or however, cause he isnt so good that we cannot upgrade... Now, maybe a game wrecker on the other side and a big body in the middle that requires a DT helps him out but he is not a Watt or Bosa or Parsons Garrett etc.... (although a bit more durable...at least recently)

This is 7 years of Brandon Beane, with #8 coming up. He is outperforming the league averages, and no reason to believe he won’t do it again this year. If we’re realistic with ourselves, there are guys below that can find their way into the “Solid Starter” category too. Kincaid, Coleman, Bishop, Williams, R. Davis, Solomon, Van Pran-Granger and Grable all have a realistic shot. 66% (50%) in RD1 (4/6) Allen, Edmunds, Oliver, Rousseau Elam, Kincaid 43% (33%) in RD2 (3/7) Epenesa, Cook, Torrence Ford, Basham, Coleman, Bishop 38% (19%) in RD3 (3/8) Phillips, Brown, Bernard Singletary, Knox, Moss, Williams, Carter 66% (8%) in RD4 (2/3) G. Davis, Johnson R. Davis 20% (4%) in RD5 (2/10) Teller, Shakir Neal, Joseph, Fromm, Doyle, Shorter, Ulofoshio, Solomon, Van Pran-Granger 27% (2%) in RD6 (3/11) Benford, Hamlin, Bass Grable, Hardy, Tenuta, Stevenson, Wildgoose, Hodgins, Johnson, McCloud 11% (1.5%) in RD 7 (1/9) Jackson Proehl, Sweeney, Johnson, Anderson, Spector, Austin, Broeker, Clayton

"Basham never got there. Elam never got there."? For every Elam and Basham, there's been a Josh Allen, Tre White, Christian Benford, Taron Johnson, Matt Milano, Greg Rousseau, Tremaine Edmunds, Dion Dawkins, Ed Oliver, James Cook, Khalil Shakir, Spencer Brown, Terrel Bernard, or O'Cyrus Torrence who have stepped into a starting role in Year 1 or Year 2 (like Bishop) and been solid to much more than that. That's not to say that our Year 1 or Year 2 players will all definitively be stars right out of the gate. But to point to just guys like Basham and Elam (I'll give you Ford too) and ignore all the successes is really looking at the glass (less than) half empty. Again, I go back to my original point. We're bringing back everyone on the roster from last year's Defense - except for Rasul Douglas, Von Miller, Dawuane Smoot, Kaiir Elam, Austin Johnson, Quintin Jefferson, and Jordan Phillips. Those guys were so bad that two weeks after the Draft, every single one of them (save for Elam who was traded for peanuts) is currently not on an NFL Roster. Do you really think that Joey Bosa, Maxwell Hairston, Tre White, T.J. Sanders, Michael Hoecht, Landon Jackson, Larry Ogunjobi, and Deone Walker aren't going to be able to fill the shoes of that murderer's row list above? They'd have to work hard at being bad to not be an upgrade over those guys. Given where we were at Cap wise and where we were picking in the Draft, I think Beane has done a masterful job of rebuilding this Defense.

Love your posts, but disagree with a lot of this perception and I think you are conflating situations to fit this narrative. What you're basically saying here is that if Cook had not posted the comment "15 mill year" and showed up to OTAs, he'd be signed for his desired amount. I dont think Beane was going up to $14M-$15M in any situation this offseason. But Beane DID offer him an extension of some kind. Beane was willing to pay him, it was just lower than Cook wants. To the opposite point, Edmunds didnt get paid, Singletary didnt get paid, Moss got traded, they were all "good soldiers". But the talent wasnt there to even get an extension offer. Benford, Rousseau, Bernard, and Shakir all got extensions this offseason because they have the talent AND were willing to accept team-friendly deals. Not because they showed up to OTAs and didnt post on social media. And for Benford, Bernard, and Shakir, they were all mid-late round picks so these low-dollar extensions are even more enticing for them. And outside of Diggs, who Beane had just handed a big new contract (even being known as a loud-mouth), I cant think of anyone else who tantrumed their way off the team. And even then, he still got paid. TWICE! So I dont buy what this post is selling. I think it's much more the situation that both Poyer and Hyde faced in their negotiations and unhappiness with their contracts: Beane has values placed on all positions, and he will only spend so much on certain positions. He has proven they do not place a high amount on Safety, and he's proving they have a similar low value amount on RB. And both Poyer and Hyde were good soldiers who showed up and did their jobs, but were never happy with their contracts, and never got paid.

Ravens media have amnesia or forgot about Lamar getting his ass handed to him in the 2021 Divisional game I guess. TJ's 101 yard pick 6 was legendary... Late 3rd Jackson literally knocked out of the game. Might be the best play of Edmunds career here.

Rousseau has 25 sacks in 4 seasons. Much like Ed Oliver, he flashes at times and then disappears for long stretches. Rousseau is pretty good against the run but we need way more out of him and he hasn’t delivered…at least IMO. You don’t build around Greg Rousseau’s. Just like they let Edmunds walk, draft Rousseau’s replacement this spring and let him walk at years end.

I disagree with much of what you said here. I suppose if you didn't know who Patrick Mahomes was prior to that draft season you can forgive their stupidity. But there was a Mahomes train that had been rolling on TSW since around June of 2016. @thebandit27 was the leader but I was all on board........as I always was with them finally just standing pat or trading up from their first pick to select the best QB on the board. And I was not in on Watson at all. @GunnerBill was a big Watson fan and if DeShaun's personal life hadn't undone him he likely remains elite as well, IMO. But it was Mahomes or bust for me at that point. So to pass on him and give him to the Chiefs was just idiotic and exasperating. And I always felt that he did his buddy Andy Reid a solid even though he should have been more cautious about helping a team in conference, whether he viewed them as a rival or not. The argument that Mahomes wasn't a "sure prospect" so the Bills should be excused for passing on him then just ENTIRELY discredits what the Bills did selecting not "sure prospects" Josh Allen 7th or the Ravens did selecting not "sure prospect" Lamar Jackson 32nd. It's not a valid defense unless you want to give the Bills no credit for their Josh Allen decision. And no, Beane was not at his best in his first year. The 2018 free agent class he signed was his worst. $100M for next to nothing. It basically caused the cap woes they suffer from today. It created the Bills need to push cap debt into the future at one of the highest levels in the league. Beane's pro personnel work was mostly bad that first 12 months. The Josh Allen pick was the best draft pick in Bills history, IMO. But would I have preferred to have that 1st and 2nd round pick used on something other than Tremaine Edmunds in hindsight? Hell yes. I could go on but you're just wrong about him being at his best. His first year on the job was largely a real on-the-job struggle story aside from Allen.