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TB43 ages a lot more than Edmunds does… 😩

Not sure what the OP is really getting at, but the most recent time we drafted immediate starters in the 1st 2 rounds of the draft was last year in Kincaid and Torrence. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/draft.htm If you look at the Bills sorry draft history and looking for good players with our 1st two picks, you come back with 2018 (Allen & Edmunds), 2017 (White, Zay Jones & Dion Dawkins - although Jones is better in Jax then he ever was with us), 2007 (Lynch & Pusluszny), 2003 (McGahee and Kelsey), and 2001 (Clements & Schobel). Not exactly a great drafting history. I am excited about the last two drafts, especially 2022. So far there are 4 starters from that class (Cook (2nd), Bernard (3rd), Shakir (5th) & Benford (6th)) and that is even with the 1st rd miss in Elam. This rivals 2018 (Allen, Edmunds, Philips, Taron Johnson and Wyatt Teller) and 2017 (White, Jones, Dawkins, and Milano) What is the best class in Bills' history? 1985 - Bruce Smith, Chris Burkett, Frank Reich, Andre Reed and Dale Hellestrae? Of the 12 Bills draftees to play 200 or more NFL games, 3 come from the 1985 class. (Class also includes 2 of the 6 Bills HOF draftees who actually played for Buffalo.)

Edmunds got traded?!? Wow, the mob has lost their minds. Let’s blame him for everything.

Could be they changed it. I think including void years to lower a cap hit is fine, but in the context of a comp pick discussion i'd almost have to eliminate them. How do you calculate an APY including void years IE Leonard Floyd. Either you don't get the comp pick because you "cut him" and have dead cap on your books, or you get the comp pick, but his APY is calculated as a 1 year deal at the full value. I do know the bengals moving into the 3rd was because of bates making all-pro. There are a few other reasons that edmunds could've moved from 3rd to 4th beyond his playing time. They also moved the player 3rd round cut-off up i believe when factoring in the coaching hire 3rd round picks.

That is why I said the loss of Milano is the only one hat weakened a position. Bernard strengthened his position compared to Edmunds. And I was an Edmunds supporter. Jones return more than makes up for the loss of the oft injured Phillips. We are in very good shape physically.

I could be mis-remembering, but weren't you using "poor LB play" and Tremaine Edmunds in the same sentence? And again, I could be mis-remembering, but I don't think that sentence was to the effect of "good thing we have Edmunds so we don't see poor LB play in Buffalo"

This makes the Bills letting Edmunds walk for more money GENIUS !! If Edmunds got the money he got then Bernard will be worth a lot more money than Edmunds when it's all said and done . I was really leery at the beginning of the year when they decided to let Edmunds walk & gave Ed the big contract but once again Beane & McD know much better than i as the fan that i am . He's playing great I would really like to see this D with him & Millano on the field !!!! OMG .

Tomlin won one Super Bowl. Big Ben's first Super Bowl was Cowher's last year. McDermott's defenses have folded in the playoffs. We just haven't been good enough. Pittsburgh's front 7 back in the early Tomlin years was much more dominant then the Bills front 7. They had James Harrison, James Farrior Lamar Woodley Casey Hampton Lawrence Timmons, Brett Keisel etc. Just a better unit then ours. We had Tremaine Edmunds Jordan Phillips, Shaq Lawson etc. You get the picture. And last year when we finally had studs at LB in Milano and Bernard, they and a bunch of other guys were injured in the playoffs. Tomlin's teams the past many years have not been very good. They haven't sucked. But they have not been contenders. But Tomlin will be there a while. That's Pittsburgh's way. Unless they are 5-12, the Steelers will continue to be what they are. And that's fine with me. Because we have always matched up well against them since McDermott has been our head coach.

So very true....we were so smart with Edmunds & Davis, yet I think Josh's friendship influenced the quick decision. Now we know Kincaid is far superior and unfortunately we're stuck with an expensive blocking TE. We gotta start ending these contracts. The money from Knox and Von alone could be put to better use.

The comp pick formula should allow for qualifying offers like baseball does as when it comes to draft picks I see no problem giving an end of the second round pick for the loss of Edmunds who was the leader of the bills defense for 5 years but the nfl only starts comp picks in the third round. Of course depending on what Gabe Davis signs for Bills should get another 3round pick for him next year.

Not really a fair question. Edmunds has been starting for years. Now if Bernard has another year like this next year...

Tremaine Edmunds “Truthers” often spoke in absolutes too. Truth is, we have no idea what Terry thinks or what he would think if the unthinkable happened.

These must be Edmunds numbers i just looked at Bernards and his stats for this regular season because i didn't have the last game in those numbers are Bernard - 143 total tackles - 59 assists - 6.5 sacks - 3 INT's - 0 - FF - 2023 regular season . Edmunds - 113 total tackles - 44 assists - 0 sacks - 4 INT's - 0 - FF - 2023 regular season . Either way for the money the bears did;t get the better end of that deal was far as how much it cost them to get that production from Edmunds .

I think the guy you're referring to is Joe Marino, the host of Locked On Bills. He's normally great, but was extremely dismissive of the idea that Diggs might get traded and went as far as to say if anyone suggests it, you're "only showing that you're not an informed fan." Now that it has happened ... crickets. I hope he addresses this at some point, because he had a very similar take on Tremaine Edmunds and finally admitted that he was very wrong after several weeks of not addressing Bernard's outperformance last season. I listen to the guy every day and love his podcasts, but he seems to not be willing to take the L when it matters.

Agreed. I don't want a Whaley type move of stupidly giving away the store with trade ups, and McDermott did give away picks for Edmunds and Elam. I also think that quarterbacks AND receivers obviously benefit from very strong offensive lines. A quarterback like Josh can find any receiver given all day to throw. Your stats went back 20 years but the NFL is an increasingly offense oriented league, passing in particular. I think that the Bills should focus on wide receivers and blockers for depth. This would well serve to keep the Bills competitive. One last point.....I saw the blame that you placed on the Bills losses in recent big games, but you left out McDermott. I'm just sayin.....

Was reading article in todays BN that listed stats from Beanes draft class. I found it kind of interesting as in the past Beane often took people based on potential upside. Edmunds and Knox are a couple of names that come to mind. Even Allen is true of. Seems like his picks are more what can he do for me right away which likely reflects the fact that years back they more were drafting for long term future, but that has changed. The average age of the first nine picks was 22.8 years (oldest of any Beane class) and the average games of college experience was 46.4 (most of any Beane class); the six-year averages entering this draft were 22.0 years and 39.8 games. UCF offensive tackle Tylan Grable’s 58 college games are the most of any Beane pick.

You're right. Dion Dawkins Spencer Brown Ed Oliver Dalton Kincaid Tre White Tremaine Edmunds O'Cyrus Torrence Taron Johnson Matt Milano Greg Rosseau Cody Ford Devin Singletary James Cook Christian Benford None of the above played as rookies. There hasn't been a more accurate statement on this board because the above list proves it. Even though Josh Allen did play, he was supposed to sit and learn but was put in earlier because we were bad at that position.

Yeah, like I said, I feel that way too. They are just making the wrong decision at WR again, IMO. Same as they have the previous couple offseasons when they stupidly went all-in on Gabe Davis opposite their All Pro Diggs and did little else. Now they are expecting to replace Diggs and Davis with Coleman and Samuel(and a cast of cast-offs). That is an even greater leap of faith than those prior offseasons. It's not like the MLB position in that regard.......that was the first time they'd risked leaving themselves short at the position. This is them tripling down on not doing enough at WR. I was 100% behind their plan at MLB last year. Everybody they had used in place of Edmunds over the years had produced in limited roles. Pedestrian-Preston Brown lead the NFL in tackles under McDermott in 2017. There was AMPLE reason to trust in that decision. Not so much at WR. Skepticism should be the order of the day there.

Sorry but most fans have no loyalty to the players, personally I think your statement is way off. Players are always made out to be the enemy - Diggs, Miller, Edmunds, going back to players like Mario Williams....all of these guys ended up on fans sh*t lists. Most people are fans of teams, not of players. Teams aren't loyal to the players, why should the players be loyal to the team? Both sides know it's a business, and they are loyal up to a certain point.

They could have just let him walk and *maybe* if they hold their water and don't sign anyone to negate that value, get a comp pick. Instead, they definitely got a higher pick in hand........which (based on the Edmunds equation) could be more than a full round higher than a comp pick in the same 2025 draft. In 2017 the Texans traded a second round pick to the Browns to eat Brock Osweiler's $16M in cash and $10M in cap space. Those figures equate to $24.5M and $15.3M in todays cap dollars. So don't discount the value of finding a 3rd rounder on the street.

I agree with you on the not trading up twice. Sure, they did it in 2018 to get Josh and Edmunds but they’re already without a 3rd. I also don’t see our defensive-minded head coach going for WRs with the 1st 2 picks without having that 3rd. IMO Curtis Samuel will overall be a better WR for this team. His versatility will allow them to do more things with him. Whether they move up for a B. Thomas or just stay put and get an A. Mitchell, they can wait until the 4th or beyond to grab a 2nd rookie. They can also still pick up a decent veteran free agent like DJ Chark to fill out the WR room.

but we will suck without Edmunds because he made the pro bowl, etc.

These are Professional football players... Every single one is oozing with talent All it takes is one guy to understand his situation and seize the reins I wasn't panicked last year either because I knew they had a guy to take the spot... Your number one guy gets all the reps It's hard to improve when you don't get the reps... Bernard and Dodson both are really good football players and one of them were going to pop because they were getting professional treatment ... That was going to Edmunds before Shakir and Samuel are probably going to look two times better because they get practice reps... Then you add in Kincaid and knox who is still a physical freak Our line which is going to be very good... With James Cook and Ray Davis Coleman is going to play well when his number is asked and he's not going to be asked to be a superstar out the gate He's going to be asked to score touchdowns inside the 20

We essentially gave up the comp pick that we would have had extra from Edmunds for Douglas. Long term, yes that's a loss. Over the short term and what the team needed for last year it was an acceptable gamble IMO. Going into this season, we really could use that almost $10M in cap space. I like Douglas, think he could have a great year this season but am OK moving on.

Trying to be objective here. He also had Poyer and Hyde in their prime when they were fully healthy and available. Then inherited Milano and Tremain Edmunds in their prime. So is he one of our best coaches, or luckiest?