C.Biscuit97 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I was listening to the radio and heard a good idea. For 9 years in a league that is based on parity, we haven't made the playoffs. The players have all changed. The coaches have as well, but there is something to say about the quality of the coaches we have. I know they swept us, but does anyone really think Miami is a good team??? They just out coached us. So my question is would rather spend big bucks on a top coach (Cowher) or get a top free agent (Peppers i believe would be available and fill a major hole). What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Cowher or Peppers? No question about it. Cowher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Top coach. Coaching can maximize results from even average talent. I feel like the Bills have talent on their team. Obviously they need more, but I also feel that more could be done with the team we already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murra Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Cowher or Peppers? No question about it. Cowher. You're right, no question about it...Peppers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koufax Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Cowher over Peppers in a heart beat. This team needs a great coach. I actually think our talent is heavily underrated by all of us right now. We are not getting a pass rush without Schobel and we need Hardy to grow into a good receiver (few generally have an impact at that position as a rookie, so there is more hope for him than for Roscoe) and we need a tight end and center, but I think overall the talent on our team is good, and an exceptional head coach is what we need most of all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Why can't I have both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Big Man Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Top free agent for sure. An all star will play despite the weakness off a head coach, see Wade Philips, good players but he is still the son of a Bum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Cowher over Peppers in a heart beat. This team needs a great coach. I actually think our talent is heavily underrated by all of us right now. We are not getting a pass rush without Schobel and we need Hardy to grow into a good receiver (few generally have an impact at that position as a rookie, so there is more hope for him than for Roscoe) and we need a tight end and center, but I think overall the talent on our team is good, and an exceptional head coach is what we need most of all. Yeah maybe I'm delusional, but I think a good coaching staff is the missing ingredient at this point. Sure there are holes to fill in the roster, but that is always going to be the case. There's simply no excuse for this team not having shown progress this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Why can't I have both? Because Ralph needs a new Taurus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 What bad coaches have won a Super Bowl? There are plenty of cases of coaches with exceptional talent going out in the first round. And adding one top free agent doesn't exactly give us exceptional talent at any other position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 We need a top-notch coaching staff for sure. Cowher would be a dream come true. As for Peppers? That's just a dream. Carolina will franchise him and that'll be the end of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Top free agent for sure. An all star will play despite the weakness off a head coach, see Wade Philips, good players but he is still the son of a Bum. See: the team we just played. -Joey Porter? Was outstanding in Pittsburgh when he had a great head coach. Went to the Dolphins who had a schitty coach and did absolutely nothing. Dolphins get a good coach and Porter is in the running for defensive MVP. -Chad Pennington? Sucked balls, was competing with some guy named Kellen Clemons for the starting gig and was losing, and eventually cut outright by the Jets. Goes to Miami and rips half the league apart. I could go on with every team in the league who has "all-stars" that can't do schit with a bad head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 This team needs an identity/attitude overhaul - from somnambulant to some blue collar! I don't think I've ever had less respect for a Bills team - and like all long time Bills fans I've lived through absoltely horrible teams over the decades - but I think this is the worst I've ever felt. The absolute last straw was all the whining about the weather the last couple weeks by the players - WTF?!?!? I would honestly give my left nut for Cowher - give him the title of GM as well and total control. Maybe he could even lure LeBeau away as DC. Most important - I F'ing guarantee Cowher would at least bring an attitude where the fans could be proud of the toughness and effort of the players on the field - and I F'ing guarantee players wouldn't be bitching about cold weather under his regime - !@#$ing EMBRACE it. GDamn pussies! Don't think I've ever been more jealous of a team than watching the Steelers play this year - toughness and will - THAT's what Buffalo teams should be - that's what Buffalo fans DESERVE - I'm so sick of this sh--. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 This team needs an identity/attitude overhaul - from somnambulant to some blue collar! I don't think I've ever had less respect for a Bills team - and like all long time Bills fans I've lived through absoltely horrible teams over the decades - but I think this is the worst I've ever felt. The absolute last straw was all the whining about the weather the last couple weeks by the players - WTF?!?!? I would honestly give my left nut for Cowher - give him the title of GM as well and total control. Maybe he could even lure LeBeau away as DC. Most important - I F'ing guarantee Cowher would at least bring an attitude where the fans could be proud of the toughness and effort of the players on the field - and I F'ing guarantee players wouldn't be bitching about cold weather under his regime - !@#$ing EMBRACE it. GDamn pussies! Don't think I've ever been more jealous of a team than watching the Steelers play this year - toughness and will - THAT's what Buffalo teams should be - that's what Buffalo fans DESERVE - I'm so sick of this sh--. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgwalsh Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 This team needs an identity/attitude overhaul - from somnambulant to some blue collar! I don't think I've ever had less respect for a Bills team - and like all long time Bills fans I've lived through absoltely horrible teams over the decades - but I think this is the worst I've ever felt. The absolute last straw was all the whining about the weather the last couple weeks by the players - WTF?!?!? I would honestly give my left nut for Cowher - give him the title of GM as well and total control. Maybe he could even lure LeBeau away as DC. Most important - I F'ing guarantee Cowher would at least bring an attitude where the fans could be proud of the toughness and effort of the players on the field - and I F'ing guarantee players wouldn't be bitching about cold weather under his regime - !@#$ing EMBRACE it. GDamn pussies! Don't think I've ever been more jealous of a team than watching the Steelers play this year - toughness and will - THAT's what Buffalo teams should be - that's what Buffalo fans DESERVE - I'm so sick of this sh--. Jealous is a great word. I was born and raised in WNY but lived in the NYC area from 92 through 04. Now I'm back in WNY. When I was there I got the sense of what 'class' was like in sports teams - the NY Giants oozed it. Even when they sucked, they had class and it started at the top. You KNEW they would be back. They were overachievers and got trounced a few years ago but last year showed that their commitment to winning, period, is what the organization is all about. PS my step dad and step brother are from Pittsburgh - ages 55 and 24 respectively. I am openly jealous of their successes. OH and I'm watching the Penguins rock the Sabres right now too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I would honestly give my left nut for Cowher - give him the title of GM as well and total control. Maybe he could even lure LeBeau away as DC. Cowher underachieved terribly with arguably the best talent in the league. Why do people think he'd suddenly turn into a good coach here when he was a chronic choke artist with far more talent than the Bills will ever have? And the only reason DickL ended up back in Pittsburgh is because Billyboy missed the playoffs 4 times in 6 years w/o Coach LeBeau (but with arguably the league's most talented roster) and the Rooney's then forced him to hire Dick LeBeau back. Of course Dick LeBeau then proceeded to win him a Super Bowl while Bill mugged for the cameras and proclaimed his own greatness as LeBeau worked his ass off to keep Cowher from continuing to make a complete ass of himself on Sundays like he had been for the last 15 years. The guy is a complete clown and when he comes back for a pile of money he'll likely be exposed for the self-important buffoon that he is. I just pray to god almighty that it's not anywhere near Western New York. Don't think I've ever been more jealous of a team than watching the Steelers play this year - toughness and will - THAT's what Buffalo teams should be Then let's go steal Mike Tomlin, who is already 10X the coach Cowher ever was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Can I have a write in volt for top GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer860 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 A stud DE will turn this team around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Top coach unless I can have my pick of any QB in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 A stud DE will turn this team around.Horse hockey! It won't help the Bills win scoring 3 points a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bflojohn Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 By the way, the Sabres rallied to WIN 4-3!! It's always interesting how things work out. Maybe that's our sign better days are ahead.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Cowher underachieved terribly with arguably the best talent in the league.Why do people think he'd suddenly turn into a good coach here when he was a chronic choke artist with far more talent than the Bills will ever have? And the only reason DickL ended up back in Pittsburgh is because Billyboy missed the playoffs 4 times in 6 years w/o Coach LeBeau (but with arguably the league's most talented roster) and the Rooney's then forced him to hire Dick LeBeau back. Of course Dick LeBeau then proceeded to win him a Super Bowl while Bill mugged for the cameras and proclaimed his own greatness as LeBeau worked his ass off to keep Cowher from continuing to make a complete ass of himself on Sundays like he had been for the last 15 years. The guy is a complete clown and when he comes back for a pile of money he'll likely be exposed for the self-important buffoon that he is. I just pray to god almighty that it's not anywhere near Western New York. Then let's go steal Mike Tomlin, who is already 10X the coach Cowher ever was. The same actually goes for Mike Tomlin too....He is riding the co-tail of the best DC in the league right now. His Offense is stinking up the joint and the defense has bailed them out repeatedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Can I have a write in volt for top GM Bring back Bill Polian please. Oh well, I can dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I was listening to the radio and heard a good idea. For 9 years in a league that is based on parity, we haven't made the playoffs. The players have all changed. The coaches have as well, but there is something to say about the quality of the coaches we have. I know they swept us, but does anyone really think Miami is a good team??? They just out coached us. So my question is would rather spend big bucks on a top coach (Cowher) or get a top free agent (Peppers i believe would be available and fill a major hole). What do you think? I'd take Cowher FTW...And hopefully a lot of em.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson from Gamehendge Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Lets go get Turner Gill! (ok, maybe not...but SYRACUSE SHOULD!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Cowher underachieved terribly with arguably the best talent in the league.Why do people think he'd suddenly turn into a good coach here when he was a chronic choke artist with far more talent than the Bills will ever have? And the only reason DickL ended up back in Pittsburgh is because Billyboy missed the playoffs 4 times in 6 years w/o Coach LeBeau (but with arguably the league's most talented roster) and the Rooney's then forced him to hire Dick LeBeau back. Of course Dick LeBeau then proceeded to win him a Super Bowl while Bill mugged for the cameras and proclaimed his own greatness as LeBeau worked his ass off to keep Cowher from continuing to make a complete ass of himself on Sundays like he had been for the last 15 years. The guy is a complete clown and when he comes back for a pile of money he'll likely be exposed for the self-important buffoon that he is. I just pray to god almighty that it's not anywhere near Western New York. What he said. Does ANYONE remember how badly Cowher's teams choked in the AFC Championship games, let alone numerous other big games throughout his coaching career? Oh, and then there's the small issue of Cowher's decision to keep Kordell Stewart under center when it was PATENTLY obvious the guy had no skills. Now Marty Schottenheimer, OTOH, I think would WANT to coach in Buffalo, and could do a good job with this team. But Cowher? No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berndogg Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Top free agent for sure. An all star will play despite the weakness off a head coach, see Wade Philips, good players but he is still the son of a Bum. I think Wade Phillips is an example of the opposite point. The cowboys cant win a playoff game and they have 52 pro bowlers (estimated number) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 What he said. Does ANYONE remember how badly Cowher's teams choked in the AFC Championship games, let alone numerous other big games throughout his coaching career? Oh, and then there's the small issue of Cowher's decision to keep Kordell Stewart under center when it was PATENTLY obvious the guy had no skills. Now Marty Schottenheimer, OTOH, I think would WANT to coach in Buffalo, and could do a good job with this team. But Cowher? No thanks. Am I missing something? You complain that Cowher's team choked in the playoffs, and that's a reason you do NOT want him? But then you would state you would like Marty "Chokenheimer", the HC that built a career of choking out in the playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cale Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 This team needs an identity/attitude overhaul - from somnambulant to some blue collar! I don't think I've ever had less respect for a Bills team - and like all long time Bills fans I've lived through absoltely horrible teams over the decades - but I think this is the worst I've ever felt. The absolute last straw was all the whining about the weather the last couple weeks by the players - WTF?!?!? I would honestly give my left nut for Cowher - give him the title of GM as well and total control. Maybe he could even lure LeBeau away as DC. Most important - I F'ing guarantee Cowher would at least bring an attitude where the fans could be proud of the toughness and effort of the players on the field - and I F'ing guarantee players wouldn't be bitching about cold weather under his regime - !@#$ing EMBRACE it. GDamn pussies! Don't think I've ever been more jealous of a team than watching the Steelers play this year - toughness and will - THAT's what Buffalo teams should be - that's what Buffalo fans DESERVE - I'm so sick of this sh--. Amen, Sir. I am not upset at this team losing. I'm upset at the way they lose. Sure we beat teams with losing records. Now we're even losing to teams with losing records and we don't seem to care - top to bottom. At least it seems like Brandon is upset. Good. Hopefully that translates to a better plan going ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 i'd say coach.....even if we had peppers,i doubt this staff would unleash him properly.what really sucks is i heard on sirius this morning that the browns may want cower and schottenheimer.they were saying that coach schottenheimer and cower are very tight.i guess marty would be the gm and cower the coach.that would really suck if cleveland landed both of these guys....................go bills in"09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Although we sorely need a quality DE ...... Peppers is only one hit away from ending his career (as is any player). IMHO a quality coach (and staff) will give this team benefit for many years. So I'll pick the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Top coach for sure. A top coach can be the make or break decision factor when a free agent is debating on which team to sign with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I was listening to the radio and heard a good idea. For 9 years in a league that is based on parity, we haven't made the playoffs. The players have all changed. The coaches have as well, but there is something to say about the quality of the coaches we have. I know they swept us, but does anyone really think Miami is a good team??? They just out coached us. So my question is would rather spend big bucks on a top coach (Cowher) or get a top free agent (Peppers i believe would be available and fill a major hole). What do you think? Cowher...not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Quint Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 What he said. Does ANYONE remember how badly Cowher's teams choked in the AFC Championship games, let alone numerous other big games throughout his coaching career? Oh, and then there's the small issue of Cowher's decision to keep Kordell Stewart under center when it was PATENTLY obvious the guy had no skills. Now Marty Schottenheimer, OTOH, I think would WANT to coach in Buffalo, and could do a good job with this team. But Cowher? No thanks. The reason that everyone is saying that they want Cowher is because he's the opposite of Jauron. He's loud, animated, and is a "take no sh--" kind of guy. He would be an upgrade to what we have now, but I'd rather see Marty in here than Cowher. The price will be lower and he fits our team better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I'll take top coach over top FA any day of the week. Perfect example of top athletes not producing Redskins....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Cowher underachieved terribly with arguably the best talent in the league.Why do people think he'd suddenly turn into a good coach here when he was a chronic choke artist with far more talent than the Bills will ever have? And the only reason DickL ended up back in Pittsburgh is because Billyboy missed the playoffs 4 times in 6 years w/o Coach LeBeau (but with arguably the league's most talented roster) and the Rooney's then forced him to hire Dick LeBeau back. Of course Dick LeBeau then proceeded to win him a Super Bowl while Bill mugged for the cameras and proclaimed his own greatness as LeBeau worked his ass off to keep Cowher from continuing to make a complete ass of himself on Sundays like he had been for the last 15 years. The guy is a complete clown and when he comes back for a pile of money he'll likely be exposed for the self-important buffoon that he is. I just pray to god almighty that it's not anywhere near Western New York. Then let's go steal Mike Tomlin, who is already 10X the coach Cowher ever was. It's like there is a conspiracy against Donahoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellDressed Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 This team needs an identity/attitude overhaul - from somnambulant to some blue collar! I don't think I've ever had less respect for a Bills team - and like all long time Bills fans I've lived through absoltely horrible teams over the decades - but I think this is the worst I've ever felt. The absolute last straw was all the whining about the weather the last couple weeks by the players - WTF?!?!? I would honestly give my left nut for Cowher - give him the title of GM as well and total control. Maybe he could even lure LeBeau away as DC. Most important - I F'ing guarantee Cowher would at least bring an attitude where the fans could be proud of the toughness and effort of the players on the field - and I F'ing guarantee players wouldn't be bitching about cold weather under his regime - !@#$ing EMBRACE it. GDamn pussies! Don't think I've ever been more jealous of a team than watching the Steelers play this year - toughness and will - THAT's what Buffalo teams should be - that's what Buffalo fans DESERVE - I'm so sick of this sh--. I want to gamble in your casino!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJ91 Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I was listening to the radio and heard a good idea. For 9 years in a league that is based on parity, we haven't made the playoffs. The players have all changed. The coaches have as well, but there is something to say about the quality of the coaches we have. I know they swept us, but does anyone really think Miami is a good team??? They just out coached us. So my question is would rather spend big bucks on a top coach (Cowher) or get a top free agent (Peppers i believe would be available and fill a major hole). What do you think? Top coach. He could help Brandon find the best free agents after he settles in. You are right on about Tony Sporano, I never heard of the guy other then he coached with Parcells in Dallas. But I really like the job he's doing down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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