JoeF Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Eric a Texan Houston is offering a 5th and we want a fourth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 I would never take a 5th rounder for Moulds. To me, the first overall pick of the 4th round would give us a slipping talent. The first pick in the 5th round just doesnt do it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted March 31, 2006 Author Share Posted March 31, 2006 I would never take a 5th rounder for Moulds. 647923[/snapback] I agree..but having an article with written by Megan Manfull is too funny...almost sounds like a made up name... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Eric a TexanHouston is offering a 5th and we want a fourth... 647922[/snapback] If I'm levy hold out for the 4th or unless the texans offer a 5th and a conditional pick that could become a 3rd next year based on playing incentives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 If this article is true, there is no way we should not hold out for the fourth. Just flat say no deal never a deal. They want him and there wouldnt be a good reason to call our bluff. They're not going to get a player that can help them in the next 2-3 years like Moulds will with that fourth pick instead of a fifth pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 If this article is true, there is no way we should not hold out for the fourth. Just flat say no deal never a deal. They want him and there wouldnt be a good reason to call our bluff. They're not going to get a player that can help them in the next 2-3 years like Moulds will with that fourth pick instead of a fifth pick. 647928[/snapback] Totally agree...we'll turn right to Philly and hand Moulds over to them if the Texans start dragging their feet over this. They're the ones who are going to miss out on Moulds if they arent smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC-Bills Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 I would never take a 5th rounder for Moulds. To me, the first overall pick of the 4th round would give us a slipping talent. The first pick in the 5th round just doesnt do it for me. 647923[/snapback] I am with you bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 "The only part of the deal that has yet to be finalized is what the Texans will give the Bills as compensation. " In other words, "I bought a car but we haven't agreed to the price." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted March 31, 2006 Author Share Posted March 31, 2006 "The only part of the deal that has yet to be finalized is what the Texans will give the Bills as compensation. "[/i] In other words, "I bought a car but we haven't agreed to the price." 647937[/snapback] The Texans have bought the car with Moulds' new contract..they just need the keys from the Bills....and those are worth the first pick in the fourth round. I like the idea of having 14 hours to study the remains of the draft and pick the gem remaining... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 The Texans have bought the car with Moulds' new contract..they just need the keys from the Bills....and those are worth the first pick in the fourth round. I like the idea of having 14 hours to study the remains of the draft and pick the gem remaining... 647941[/snapback] As do I, but knowing our luck this offseason, I just get the sinking feeling we're going to get dicked on this deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Odd that interviews and press conferences are scheduled when compensation not complete. Better be the 4rth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 This article also comes in its entirety from one Greg Johnson, whom Megan Manful calls "Moulds' agent". Who goes out of his way to twice say it's not a done deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrock6986 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 we will end up with a 4th rounder. the ball is in marv's court. all he has to do is play hardball. if we end up with a 5th rounder, then we will start to see what marv is made off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Who is Houston trying to BS? They are trying to act hardnosed and say that they'll give a 5th rder just because they don't want anyone to be thinking about their 3rd rder. When it's all over and done with they'll reluctantly give up their 2nd pick in the 4th. I say screw 'em. Moulds is at least worth a mid 3rd rder, MINIMUM! If we can't get this then keep him, he's worth it. Don't let these jerks or the Eagles start their low balling ways. Now the Texans' GM Casserly says no more progress will be made towards this trade until Monday, April 3rd. That's too much time, don't be surprised if another team comes out of the woodwork in the meantime. If Minnesota doesn't match the offer by 11:00 pm tomorrow, then Burleson becomes a Seahawk. The Vikes have two 2nd rd. picks, #48 and #51. I would love the Bills and Vikes to strike a deal on Saturday, April Fools' Day. Now wouldn't that be sweet?! It would be TOO funny if the Texans lost out on Moulds after they couldn't close the deal with Givens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 One Texans poster offered this scenario. I could live with this. Texans Receive Moulds Bills 4th Round Pick Bills Receive Texans 4th Round Pick Texans 5th Round Pick basically moulds for 5th and swap 4s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Great concept but only if we swap 2nds. That's a difference of 100 points on the value chart which equates like the 4th pick in the 4th rd. We're getting closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsguy Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Eric a TexanHouston is offering a 5th and we want a fourth... 647922[/snapback] What is interesting to me is this: "The Texans have agreed to pay Moulds $14 million over four years, in a deal that includes a $5 million signing bonus. " Moulds contract with Buffalo calls for him to receive $7.1 million in 2006. It seems to me he is going to take a big paycut to play anywhere else. I am guessing his contract with Houston will be backloaded. Maybe something like $1.25 million 2006, $2.25 million 2007, $4.25 million 2008, $6.25 million in 2009. He plays two years and makes about $8.5 million (salary plus bonus) from Houston. He will probably get cut before he sees the bigger numbers in 2008-9. It seems to me he could make more taking a paycut and staying in Buffalo. Maybe the Bills wanted him to play for $2 million per year? Don't let the door hit you in the behind, Eric! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 For those who think the Bills would be robbed if they ONLY got a fifth rounder, remind me what Philly just got for Owens who is vastly superior to Moulds a WR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Who is Houston trying to BS? They are trying to act hardnosed and say that they'll give a 5th rder just because they don't want anyone to be thinking about their 3rd rder. When it's all over and done with they'll reluctantly give up their 2nd pick in the 4th. I say screw 'em. Moulds is at least worth a mid 3rd rder, MINIMUM! If we can't get this then keep him, he's worth it. Don't let these jerks or the Eagles start their low balling ways. Now the Texans' GM Casserly says no more progress will be made towards this trade until Monday, April 3rd. That's too much time, don't be surprised if another team comes out of the woodwork in the meantime. If Minnesota doesn't match the offer by 11:00 pm tomorrow, then Burleson becomes a Seahawk. The Vikes have two 2nd rd. picks, #48 and #51. I would love the Bills and Vikes to strike a deal on Saturday, April Fools' Day. Now wouldn't that be sweet?! It would be TOO funny if the Texans lost out on Moulds after they couldn't close the deal with Givens. 647975[/snapback] I seriously doubt we would get a second rounder for EM do to the fact that we said we would take a 4th already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 If we can get a fourth take it and run like the wind. Lets see is we can make Houston blink, and see if we can make other teams interested. Philly desperately needs a WR, especially a vet. Get it done Marv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 As do I, but knowing our luck this offseason, I just get the sinking feeling we're going to get dicked on this deal. 647958[/snapback] Only if Marv blinks those droopy eyes of his. Tell 'em no, then don't take their calls for 1/2 the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 One Texans poster offered this scenario. I could live with this. Texans Receive Moulds Bills 4th Round Pick Bills Receive Texans 4th Round Pick Texans 5th Round Pick basically moulds for 5th and swap 4s 647990[/snapback] Not a bad idea, or some variation of that kind of swap. Move up seven spots, to the first pick on Day 2, and still get the extra 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 I would never take a 5th rounder for Moulds. To me, the first overall pick of the 4th round would give us a slipping talent. The first pick in the 5th round just doesnt do it for me. 647923[/snapback] I'm sorry, but a 5th, or even a 4th dopesn't compute. Didn't the McCardell deal grab a 3rd last year? A a 2nd or a 3rd (since Houston's 3rd is like a late 2nd - maybe). 4th or 5th? Let Moulds sit. The percentage of 3rd & 4ths ever amounting to anything is fairly small, with only a few exceptions. (McGee). Tell Houston to go away unless they pony up.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 I would never take a 5th rounder for Moulds. To me, the first overall pick of the 4th round would give us a slipping talent. The first pick in the 5th round just doesnt do it for me. 647923[/snapback] Exactly. i like the 1st pick of the 4th, because it gives us first crack at a guy that should have gone on day 1, but fell for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 The "we'll wait until Monday" attitude of the Texans may come back to bite them in the arse. Hopefully, Marv and the Eagles are working weekends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiew Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 So, does this mean I should wear my Moulds Bills shirt when I go to the Bills vs Texans game this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBob Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 What is interesting to me is this: "The Texans have agreed to pay Moulds $14 million over four years, in a deal that includes a $5 million signing bonus. " Moulds contract with Buffalo calls for him to receive $7.1 million in 2006. It seems to me he is going to take a big paycut to play anywhere else. I am guessing his contract with Houston will be backloaded. Maybe something like $1.25 million 2006, $2.25 million 2007, $4.25 million 2008, $6.25 million in 2009. He plays two years and makes about $8.5 million (salary plus bonus) from Houston. He will probably get cut before he sees the bigger numbers in 2008-9. It seems to me he could make more taking a paycut and staying in Buffalo. Maybe the Bills wanted him to play for $2 million per year? Don't let the door hit you in the behind, Eric! 648039[/snapback] The article in the Chronicle says he will get a $5 Million signing bonus. That leaves $9 Million to be distributed as salary over the four years. His first year year salary will probably be in the neighborhood of $1 Million, which means he will earn roughly the same this year as he was scheduled to make with the Bills just in salary. Then he'll probably get $2.5 to $3 Million per for the next three years to cover the other $8 Million, which he was scheduled to make next year but he almost certainly would never have seen. What it does is ensures him that he will be compensated this year just as he would have been had he stayed a Bill, and the chance to earn the rest of his Bill's contract (and then some) over the next three years because his cap hit won't ever get huge over the life of the contract. Also, there may very well be incentives built in that could push the deal higher in the subsequent 3 years that are not being publicized. Like roster bonuses, making the pro bowl (which he has not done in some time) and games played, catches and yardage, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 What it does is ensures him that he will be compensated this year just as he would have been had he stayed a Bill, and the chance to earn the rest of his Bill's contract (and then some) over the next three years because his cap hit won't ever get huge over the life of the contract. Also, there may very well be incentives built in that could push the deal higher in the subsequent 3 years that are not being publicized. Like roster bonuses, making the pro bowl (which he has not done in some time) and games played, catches and yardage, etc. 648807[/snapback] Strange how employees have to accept whatever comes their way once they have spited their employers. If this indeed comes to pass, EM would make roughly the same salary (I am guessing that next year, he would also have been compensated according to your current theorized offer above), be the # 2 guy and still have a QB without a good OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Strange how employees have to accept whatever comes their way once they have spited their employers. If this indeed comes to pass, EM would make roughly the same salary (I am guessing that next year, he would also have been compensated according to your current theorized offer above), be the # 2 guy and still have a QB without a good OL. 648856[/snapback] He will make about a million dollars less for the Texans this year than he would for the Bills (6 mil vs 7+ mil). Next year, he will likely make about 2-3 mil when he was schedule to make 7 mil on the Bills. But they knew he was never going to get that money from the Bills when he signed it. Billsguy must have smoked a joint because he just made a 4 year 14 million deal into 19 mil with his figures. What it comes down to is that Moulds just wants out. And you cannot blame him. Frankly, I think he just knows that he burned a few bridges here by his big mistake in the Miami game. I think he knows it, based on the fact he never really denied it, and he never complained that he was fined $93,000. That's a lot of money for anyone, and NO ONE allows that to happen to them if they are innocent, especially a pro athlete and a union member. Good luck to him. I liked him for a long, long time and I think his ability has waned and I think after years of trying hard, he gave up and threw a hissy fit out of frustration. It was a big mistake but things arent black and white. It's time for him and the best thing for him to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark VI Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 It's time for him and the best thing for him to move on. 648868[/snapback] To move on and collect a 5 Mil bonus check the second he arrives in Houston. What a world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 It's time for him and the best thing for him to move on. 648868[/snapback] Agreed. But when he drew a line in the proverbial sand a few weeks back, I really thought he wanted to either make more money before retiring or play for a potential winner. Going to the Texans will give him neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 To move on and collect a 5 Mil bonus check the second he arrives in Houston. What a world. 648872[/snapback] I think that is a fair deal for him and the Texans. He's still a very decent if not good receiver and can probably help them a lot for 2-3 years. 5 mil bonus over four years is not a lot of money. What it likely comes down to is 6 mil cash this year, 2 next year, 3 in 2008 and 4 in 2009, which he probably won't see. So 10 mil for three years is not a lot of money these days, and not a big cap hit at all. He was scheduled to make that this year alone (as far as cap goes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Agreed. But when he drew a line in the proverbial sand a few weeks back, I really thought he wanted to either make more money before retiring or play for a potential winner. Going to the Texans will give him neither. 648874[/snapback] It kind of surprised me, too, because I thought he would want to go to a contender. But it does say it's probably not about the money because he could have gotten more from the Bills and maybe more from another team. That's why I think he had just decided that he was going to leave, and he wasn't going to go for the perfect situation but one where he felt wanted and comfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 I think that is a fair deal for him and the Texans. He's still a very decent if not good receiver and can probably help them a lot for 2-3 years. 5 mil bonus over four years is not a lot of money. What it likely comes down to is 6 mil cash this year, 2 next year, 3 in 2008 and 4 in 2009, which he probably won't see. So 10 mil for three years is not a lot of money these days, and not a big cap hit at all. He was scheduled to make that this year alone (as far as cap goes). 648880[/snapback] If I were Moulds I'd be slapping my agent around by now if they've truly agreed on that figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 I look at it this way: If a 5th is ALL the Bills can get from any team, then do it. in 2007, the cap savings might be worth more to the Bills then even fetching a 3rd rounder (providing the Bills put that cap space to good use). Bottom line is EM needs to go, the Bills need to get younger, and get players here who WANT to be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Eric a TexanHouston is offering a 5th and we want a fourth... 647922[/snapback] why not Moulds and a 7th for a 4th or Moulds and a 6th for a 3rd. try a few ideas out. This way they keep the same # of picks and the Bills are happier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlamnSam Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 Wow he sure busted the bank on that deal. Im glad to see Mr. Cancer go and Im sure his career will end like pearless prices' did. You have to give Murlarkey credit at least he jammed Moulds by breaking his game streak. Who was more of a team wrecker TO or Moulds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 Ummm, link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 I will play the village idiot, since I am qualified. I hope this post rolls down the board quickly and nobody responds to it because, A) Everyone is sick of new Moulds threads, not me though! That's why I'm responding to this newest, greatest latest one. B) If you give MM credit for anything, well, screw you! C) MM breaking a long time players streak really showed how classy he was, see B) D) Moulds or TO huh? Ya. E) There is no deal although, the rumour is 4 years not three so it's even less of bank buster than I said it would be. F) while I am no huge E Mo fan, to call him a team wrecker? In light of MM? G) Fug off H) Peerless Price? You can honestly compare the two? I) Fug Off J) I repeat, fug off, I'm probably gonna be banned because of this. Thanks a lot. See Ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlamnSam Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 I will play the village idiot, since I am qualified.I hope this post rolls down the board quickly and nobody responds to it because, A) Everyone is sick of new Moulds threads, not me though! That's why I'm responding to this newest, greatest latest one. B) If you give MM credit for anything, well, screw you! C) MM breaking a long time players streak really showed how classy he was, see B) D) Moulds or TO huh? Ya. E) There is no deal although, the rumour is 4 years not three so it's even less of bank buster than I said it would be. F) while I am no huge E Mo fan, to call him a team wrecker? In light of MM? G) Fug off H) Peerless Price? You can honestly compare the two? I) Fug Off J) I repeat, fug off, I'm probably gonna be banned because of this. Thanks a lot. See Ya 649089[/snapback] Im glad to see you have an opinion, I have mine. The link, well espn 103.3 sportscenter. It is 3 years 14 mil just waiting to work out the compensation for the Bills. Yes Murlarkey did do so good things here, remember Travis Henry he let him know his usefulness was limited. Murlarkey also let Moulds know he had little use here as a team wrecker. In the long run the things Murlarkey did do right will have big benefits, like getting rid of Moulds so other people can blossom, Evans, Losman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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