McDermott still in over his head

[muppy]

the second half adjustments were stellar. And clearly the Pats had no answer to them

 

2 game in a row the defense rebounded in the second half. Im THRILLED with the Dubs and will take one however we can

 

It is as McDermott said. The guys displayed great mental toughness not to fold after halftime

 

Just who is making the adjustments deserves some flowers just saying

 

 

[FireChans]

18 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I mean that’s a pretty big time goalpost move from what I responded to lol my statement was you all are quick to absolve the offense completely of a terrible half of football if they have a great second half but will not do the same for the defense which is something that has come up multiple different times in recent seasons.

 

i think we have one of the worst defenses in the league outside of crunch time in games but its like a lightbulb goes on and they virtually get every necessary stop to get the team back in the game it makes absolutely no sense haha I’m all for dunking on the defense’s overall game stats but that’s not quite the same conversation 

The offenses’ “terrible” half of football was scoring 7 points.  The Pats average 19.7 PPG allowed.

 

The defenses’ terrible half of football was allowing 24 points. The Pats average 27 PPG.

 

This is the exact point lol. These “terrible” halves are not equal, but because Josh is so great, we feel like they are.

[The Wiz]

Just now, muppy said:

the second half adjustments were stellar. And clearly the Pats had no answer to them

 

2 game in a row the defense rebounded in the second half. Im THRILLED with the Dubs and will take one however we can

 

It is as McDermott said. The guys displayed great mental toughness not to fold after halftime

 

Just who is making the adjustments deserves some flowers just saying

 

 

No Muppy, not trying to mansplain anything.  Just TBDsplaining. 😜

 

Offense is good: Allen and Cook were 

Offense was bad: Brady was bad

 

Defense was good: Babich did a great job today

Defense was bad: McD needs to go

 

With all "jokes", was that a joke?  Maybe.  Aside, the real problem we are seeing is that the drafting/scouting has been bad in the top rounds.  I understand we draft late and likely need to pivot for another player but going BPA seems to be a bad model lately.  Samuel has been, for lack of a better term, useless and they put him on IR the same day that they decided to cut Moore.  So they in effect (cut two players) playing the same position while still not having a #1 boundary WR even with Palmer and Cooks.

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

15 minutes ago, FireChans said:

The offenses’ “terrible” half of football was scoring 7 points.  The Pats average 19.7 PPG allowed.

 

The defenses’ terrible half of football was allowing 24 points. The Pats average 27 PPG.

 

This is the exact point lol. These “terrible” halves are not equal, but because Josh is so great, we feel like they are.

I mean we’ll have to partially agree to disagree.  I think that’s a pretty big oversimplification in this case but you’re certainly entitled to the opinion.  Not only did the defense stop drives in the second half they were nearly instantaneous stops against an offense that has been playing well all year that greatly lengthened our comeback time. And the one td allowed was on a mostly busted play that only used 14 seconds of clock.
 

Time  never was an issue largely because of the defensive effort. Even if that Shakir play went for an INT we still very likely win that one there was so much time left   

 

just looking at ppg does not even tell half the story in this one imo.  I don’t think the pats even bled 7 minutes of clock that entire second half. 
 

the defense was a bit worse than the offense in the first half is fine but I think you’re downplaying how good they were in the second half quite a bit.  That was like what we did to the jets level of domination lol 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[folz]

33 minutes ago, FireChans said:

In real NFL terms, requiring your QB and offense to rip off 5 straight TDs to win a game disqualifies your defensive performance.
 

Allen and co are completely taken for granted. The standards are not the same. McD’s standard is only allow 31 points instead of 35 and we’ll call it a triumphant performance.

 

Allen and the offenses’ standard is “score a TD every time you touch the ball to give us a chance to win the game at the end.”

 

It’s legitimately Stockholm syndrome at this point.

 

Well, it is more like score points (TD or FG) half of the time you touch the ball. Over the last 5 wins, the Bills have scored on 52% of their possessions (granted, there were also two kneel-down drives at the end of games in that batch). They have scored a TD on 45.8% of their possessions. Also, over those 5 wins, the Bills have outscored their opponents 212 to 134.

 

And, it's not like it is just the Bills that get scored on. It is a scoring league now. The Pats have hit 31 points or more six times this year. They are averaging 27.3 points/game on the year. Even with Burrow missing 9-10 games, the Bengals still have six games of 30+ points. And, obviously, despite their poor showing vs. the Ravens (sans Higgins), we know that Burrow/Chase/Higgins/Brown/Geiseicki can score a lot of points on a lot of people (when healthy and motivated, which they mostly were against us). Gotta give the other teams props for being good some times too...it's not always because we suck. I mean Burrow was making some unbelievable throws and both the Bengals' and Patriots' WRs made some outstanding catches, etc.. One team was playing for their playoff lives and another was trying to beat their division rival for the AFC East crown. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, zow2 said:

It's wonderful to have Allen & Co. save the day once again by going 4-0 when the opponent scores 31+ points.  In the playoffs though, a team will not win the Super Bowl or even advance to the Super Bowl if there is not a semblance of a complete team.  

Both units, and special teams can't disappear for a half come playoff time.  You won't pull those games out.

 

Bills have allowed 5 of 14 teams to score over 29 points this year: NE, CIN (w/Burrow/Chase/Higgins), BAL (healthy), TB, and MIA. We are 4-1 in those games.

Philly allowed 3 teams to score over 29 points last season: GB, TB, Wash. They went 1-2 in those games---and went on to win the SB. Not saying our defense is anywhere near theirs last year (nor does our overall season look as good), just, you can lose some games, have off days, have good offenses score points on you, and still go on to win a SB.

 

Over the Bills other 9 games, opponents are averaging 17.4 points per game.

 

Bengals and Ravens are both top (playoff-level) offenses when healthy (which they both were when we played them). They both scored a lot of points, but the Bills still got the Wins, so... And Last season (without the QB injuries), the Ravens were averaging 30.5 points per game and the Bengals were averaging 27.8 points per game. As noted above the Pats are averaging 27.3 point/game this season. Tampa is a pretty good offense (though no Evans and Godwin when we played them), and Miami, ok, no excuse for that one, other than 2nd game against a division rival. But every team has some clunkers throughout the year.

 

Also, it wasn't just the defense that didn't show up in the first half in New England. The Bills offense's first 3 drives netted 14 plays for 39 yards and 3 punts. We didn't put a point on the board until less than 4 minutes to go before the half. And at that point, it was already 21-0.  It was a total team effort in falling behind and a total team effort in coming back. Yet to some of you guys, first half was all the defense's fault, 2nd half was Josh winning the game all by himself. It just isn't reality. Plus, special teams actually had a good first half. Davis had a couple of nice kickoff returns and the coverage unit did not allow any good returns. Wishnowsky dropped a punt at the 6-yard line, another out of bounds at the 12, and had a 45-yard punt with only a 3-yard return.

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

 

the defense was a bit worse than the offense in the first half is fine but I think you’re downplaying how good they were in the second half quite a bit.  That was like what we did to the jets level of domination lol 

 

They let up like a 60 yard rushing TD the SECOND we took a lead lol.

[Freak-O]

How many of you watched that non catch from the sideline, waited for advice from the replay guy and didn’t get one and had to make a decision on if to throw the flag? No one. We all watched it on TV and made the imaginary decision to throw the flag after several replays shown AFTER the next play. 

[Shaw66]

24 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

If the new Hawkeye replay angles thing malfunctioned or wasn’t happening this game for whatever reason, I’m not sure there’s anything any team’s replay folks couldve done outside of watching the game feed which is on a 10+ second delay

 

All they likely saw if that was the case was the broadcast of the play at game speed which doesn’t even look very close to a drop.  I doubt they even got the one abbreviated replay that was shown on the broadcast because the snap was immediately after 
 

I think there’s a healthy dose of fans not really knowing how unfair this process has been for years going on here lol when a team hurries to the line, you likely never got a slow motion replay on your game feed at all and obviously not the Jumbotron either in an away game..  The broadcast is substantially delayed and the home team isn’t gonna give you the gift of an in-stadium replay.  That was all supposed to change this year but I have a feeling the league messed something up here 

 

In the past in that scenario the challenge by the away coach is pretty much just a shot in the dark based on what they saw on the field 

Thanks for this. I didn't know that there's only limited video available to the teams to decide whether to challenge. 

 

That points out how the NFL still doesn't have replay right.  They need much more of their quick auto-reviews. That "completion" should have caused a brief interruption of the game while someone looked at the replay. 

 

It's true for every big play. If there's a question at all, pause the game for 20 seconds. 

 

It's especially true for near-TDs. There's an automatic review for every TD, but there's no review for every play that would have been a touchdown but for the fact an official ruled the runner down. You shouldn't have to use a challenge on a play like Cook's magnificent dive into the end zone. That play should be automatically reviewed. 

[ProcessTruster]

40 minutes ago, Freak-O said:

How many of you watched that non catch from the sideline, waited for advice from the replay guy and didn’t get one and had to make a decision on if to throw the flag? No one. We all watched it on TV and made the imaginary decision to throw the flag after several replays shown AFTER the next play. 

McD had no basis upon which to throw the challenge flag.. no replay, no nothing.   The Gillette gang withheld the scoreboard replay and they jumped to the next play b4 Bills staff had a chance to look at it.   Home cooking all the way.   Stop trashing McD based on what you saw, because the team did not have access in time to decide what to do.   This board is crazy.  

[Buffalo716]

Anybody discounting the adjustments our coaching staff made while keeping the team focused has a horseshoe up there you know what

 

Nobody will say the first half was great.. that's why they play two halves .. this is not Peewee football it is the NFL 

 

And the second half was a terrific terrific coaching job completely out coaching vrable and McDaniels 

 

The Patriots were on clamps

Edited 8 hours ago by Buffalo716

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

It’s actually even worse than that because the average Bills fan that doesn’t watch the league has had their entire perception changed.

 

Josh Allen is 4-1 this season when his defense allows 30+.
 

Mahomes, Lamar, and Joe Burrow are 0-5.

 

It’s not normal to have your QB rip off these miracle wins. The other best QBs in football can’t do it.

It's a tough way to win football games especially come playoff time. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

44 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Thanks for this. I didn't know that there's only limited video available to the teams to decide whether to challenge. 

 

That points out how the NFL still doesn't have replay right.  They need much more of their quick auto-reviews. That "completion" should have caused a brief interruption of the game while someone looked at the replay. 

 

It's true for every big play. If there's a question at all, pause the game for 20 seconds. 

 

It's especially true for near-TDs. There's an automatic review for every TD, but there's no review for every play that would have been a touchdown but for the fact an official ruled the runner down. You shouldn't have to use a challenge on a play like Cook's magnificent dive into the end zone. That play should be automatically reviewed. 

This is another problem that they supposedly ‘fixed’ this year with more technology but I think mcd was subtly complaining about someone with the league dropping the ball with the new replay angles. Could be me reading between the lines and him straight up lying though so take it with a grain of salt haha 
 

there’s supposed to be some whole new thing this year that nobody really properly understands where the teams instantly get all the angles that the league office has.  Up to this point the away team just virtually always got screwed 😂. 

[K-9]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Anybody discounting the adjustments our coaching staff made while keeping the team focused has a horseshoe up there you know what

 

Nobody will say the first half was great.. that's why they played two halves 

 

And the second half was a terrific terrific coaching job completely out coaching vrable and McDaniels 

McDaniels had ZERO answer for what the Bills did to Maye in the second half. The kid was flummoxed and it showed. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

The offenses’ “terrible” half of football was scoring 7 points.  The Pats average 19.7 PPG allowed.

 

The defenses’ terrible half of football was allowing 24 points. The Pats average 27 PPG.

 

This is the exact point lol. These “terrible” halves are not equal, but because Josh is so great, we feel like they are.

The patriots have also been playing the worst teams in the nfl  week in and week out all season, which helps their points against.  If they played potent offenses, their PA would be a good amount higher imo

 

I do agree with your point though.  

[CSBill]

This narrative is getting old, and is tedious, tiresome, and uninteresting. 

 

 

 

 

[KentuckyBillsFan]

I mean ultimately the only thing that matters is the playoffs. If we make the SB, I will fully congratulate McDermott. If we fall short of that again, then he just needs to go. There comes a point where it's put up or shut up, especially when you have the best player in the world at QB. 

 

I wish we would've moved on from him years ago personally but this HAS to be his last chance to get this team to the SB imo.. If not now, when?

[Paup 1995MVP]

3 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

That was a weird one where it really didn’t even look close to not a catch at game speed…I’ve been lookin at it all morning lol  

 

of course fans get the gift of hindsight knowing NE went down and scored a td on the first drive of the game too which factors in to the criticism.  Blowing a challenge on the first drive on just a guess is tough because you only get one more for the remaining 55 minutes or whatever it was.  It’s not really the timeout loss that’s the issue 

That's a solid point about blowing a challenge in the 1st 5 minutes of the game.  But there has to be a way for someone on the Bills sideline or in the coaching booth to see that right away and relay down to McDermott.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

15 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

That's a solid point about blowing a challenge in the 1st 5 minutes of the game.  But there has to be a way for someone on the Bills sideline or in the coaching booth to see that right away and relay down to McDermott.  

Yea theres supposed to be now but it’s new to this season for the league so not sure if something went wrong with the process on the nfl’s or our end 

 

up until this point pretty much all you got was the broadcast angles which are on delays…if a team rushed to the line and got the play off before the broadcast caught up you’d just have to guess which is why there were so many of those ‘why the hell did they challenge that’ type moments lol 

Edited 7 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

7 hours ago, vtnatefootball11 said:

It's games like this, against a well coached team, where McDermott's ineptitude is magnified. He just doesn't have a feel in critical game management situations. Not challenging that deep pass on the first drive was atrocious. It spotted the Pats 7 points early and we almost didn't recover.  The entire stadium knew it wasn't caught, the Pats were sprinting up the field to hike the ball, it's early in the first losing a timeout means nothing, why not challenge? Just terrible. He's always overthinking critical game management calls and for guys like Vrabel, Reid, McVay, others, it just comes natural. McDermott is not a bad coach, and I've been impressed with the way he's responded to criticism and challenged himself to grow and change in these last couple years, but he just doesn't have an elite football mind. It's painfully obvious when we go up against good coaches.  Even if Josh carries us to a superbowl this year, won't change how I feel about McDermott. 

 

I agree, you want to see a HC learn from past mistakes but it seems the same mistakes happen over and over again. Now we have slow starts in 1st half of games, how and why is this happening? How and why isn't it being addressed early instead of halftime? The non challenge is just bone headed, wht does McDermott lose other than a TO on that play? I hated the non challenge. Why would we think the patriots wouldn't try and run all over us like they did the first time? Why wasn't it addressed? Why are we still getting destroyed in the run game going into week 16? I realize there is a ton that fgoes into coaching but I need to see my HC take the necessary steps getting better in key areas and I just don't with him. He's a good HC with probably the best QB in all of football making him look way better than he truly is imo.  

[Cash]

1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

Thanks for this. I didn't know that there's only limited video available to the teams to decide whether to challenge. 

 

That points out how the NFL still doesn't have replay right.  They need much more of their quick auto-reviews. That "completion" should have caused a brief interruption of the game while someone looked at the replay. 

 

It's true for every big play. If there's a question at all, pause the game for 20 seconds. 

 

It's especially true for near-TDs. There's an automatic review for every TD, but there's no review for every play that would have been a touchdown but for the fact an official ruled the runner down. You shouldn't have to use a challenge on a play like Cook's magnificent dive into the end zone. That play should be automatically reviewed. 

 

For this particular call, I was calling real-time for McD to throw the challenge flag.  We didn't yet know if it was a catch or not, but the upside was worth a blind toss IMO.  So I think it's a very fair criticism of McD that he didn't throw the flag - if I can realize it well before the ball is snapped, so can he.  But I'm ALSO mad at the Replay Assist people, who sat on their hands when we would've benefitted, but leapt to overturn the Brandin Cooks bobble lest Vrabel have to use a challenge.  I don't particularly think they had it out for us or anything - it's incompetence not malice.