Game week thread - Bengals at Bills (flexed to 1pm ET)

[Herc11]

Someone needs to talk to Beane about the best ability... AVAILABILITY

[No_Matter_What]

1 hour ago, TFBillsfan said:

Just can’t stay healthy. He’s tied for most TD’s in the receiver group with 4. Ironically, tied with Coleman. 
 

When he plays, he’s impactful but thus far his durability is a major concern. 

 

29 minutes ago, boyst said:

BuT hE iS a PlAyMaKiNg DiFfErEnCe!1!

 

Dude doesn't play. maybe he will pan out over the career arc in 3-4 years it'll be different but it was a dumb pick at the time and it is a dumb pick now. luxury pick that was wasted. just awful. it's great when he can make a big play and shows up to help win but when he doesn't play we are missing a major part of our offense.

 

for those coming at me with the statement that we didn't know he would be injured.... that's not the point. the point is that we did not need the position. we needed a WR, a safety (contingency for Poyer and Hyde departure in this complex defense), and linebackers (remember, at the time we did not know if Bernard would be a successful starter and he was and is undersized).

 

i'll never like this pick even if he goes to the HOF.

 

17 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I wouldn’t.  Because we invested a 1st via trade up for Kincaid, that’s investment we don’t have elsewhere.  And if he’s on the field for some of these games we’ve not had him, given the closeness of the losses and clunkiness of our Offense, is reasonable to think we win them with him. 
 

You are, in fact, a bust if you can never play. 
 

Was Von not a bust of a signing due to injury?  Of course he was.  Doesn’t matter that he was elite for the few games we had him healthy that year. 

Unless my maths failed me, he has played in 42 out of possible 49 games as a Bill.

 

I know that in addition to missed games he has also played through injury last year but still. 

[wjag]

Hendrickson doubftful certainly helps.

[WotAGuy]

2 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

 

 

Unless my maths failed me, he has played in 42 out of possible 49 games as a Bill.

 

I know that in addition to missed games he has also played through injury last year but still. 

Facts are irrelevant. The perception is he has missed 42 of 49 games, and he needs to be put in a wheelchair and run out the door. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

On 11/30/2025 at 9:37 PM, 716to540 said:

Seems to me that every game, including today's, is a huge game for us. There's no "suddenly" about it.

Agree now EVERY game is a huge game for us and it is all because we underestimated the Pats in game 1 (handing them turnovers) and the abortion games  known as the Dolphin and Falcon game.

[Walking Tall]

1 hour ago, PaattMaann said:

 

I get it, he has not stayed healthy. But this is silly. Ill take his great production even just for half the games to be honest. 

Will you take his dropped pass last year at KC with that?

 

He’s made of balsa wood.

Edited 55 minutes ago by Walking Tall

[MasterStrategist]

Bosa week to week.  Hoping Fox is ready to step up and play meaningful snaps.

 

At this point, they should shut down Palmer for a couple weeks and let the ankle heal.

[balln]

51 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I wouldn’t.  Because we invested a 1st via trade up for Kincaid, that’s investment we don’t have elsewhere.  And if he’s on the field for some of these games we’ve not had him, given the closeness of the losses and clunkiness of our Offense, is reasonable to think we win them with him. 
 

You are, in fact, a bust if you can never play. 
 

Was Von not a bust of a signing due to injury?  Of course he was.  Doesn’t matter that he was elite for the few games we had him healthy that year. 

I blame Brady for his injuries. Offense pass game stinks. Our route spacing. Timing. Variety. Scheme. Attention to detail. Stinks. 

We have him in these heavy sets all the time. He’s actually a better blocker than I thot. But he can only really pick off DBs.
 

Josh is scrambling around all the time. Kincaid having to work extra hard to get open while getting mugged in the middle of the field all the time.

 

last year Allen was pretty inaccurate throwing to Kincaid (it’s backed up w #s) and his knee / PCL injury at Texans last year was bc of Allen throwing a bad throw  

Edited 38 minutes ago by balln

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, finn said:

"All about" is pretty strong. Look at the Patriots game, when Brady benched his best skill player in crunch time, or the Houston game, when he did nothing to protect Allen against a fierce pass rush, or his failure to do anything with Moore or Samuel, who both put up much better numbers with their former teams. 

 

You could say Coleman is a bust--or you could say Brady has failed to tap his potential. You could say Samuel sucks, Shakir is limited, Shavers does nothing, and Moore was a wasted signing--or you could say all of them would thrive with a coordinator who figured out how to use them, not utterly give up on him, as Brady appears to have done. How many screens to Shakir behind the line of scrimmage will it take for you to agree that another coordinator could do better? How many back-shoulder throws to Coleman, endless mesh routes, stupid gimmick plays, and utter lack of deep shots, except for that one to Palmer--one!--in the Atlanta game?

 

No argument that this WR corps is awful, but what would a good coordinator like McDaniels do with it, given that he didn't have much more than that to work with when he was coaching Tom Brady? Heck, look at what he's doing now with a group of receivers that, on paper, aren't much better than the Bills have: a fading Diggs, a journeyman in Mack Hollins, and a promising but often-struggling rookie in Kyle Williams? Yet they're 10-2, with a quarterback, line, and set of running backs that are not as good as what the Bills have.

 

No, Brady is the problem. Swap receivers with New England, and I guarantee you McDaniels would do as well or better with ours and Brady would do as badly or worse with theirs. 

 

 

1) Kyle Williams is the receiver you cite behind Diggs and Hollins?  

 

The fact that you don't know who Kayshon Boutte or Pop Douglas are basically tells me that you don't actually follow NFL football.

 

 Boutte has become one of the best deep threats in the league.   His ascent started prior to McDaniels arrival.

 

Douglas is an electric slot/gadget guy.  Another guy who was impactful prior to McDaniels.   How could you not remember him when he used to be the only guy with juice in that WR corps in years past?

 

Very impactful, dynamic, inexpensive, starting caliber players with complementary skills who are trending toward getting paid handsomely when their FA comes.

 

What really gives your angle away is that you know who their 5th or 6th receiving option is(Kyle Williams).......likely because he was in the draft last year and you probably start paying attention to draft eligible players after the season is over.  

 

There is no comparing their WR corps to that of the Bills.   Even if the Bills had the health that they have had in NE.   If Allen had that group and a healthy Hunter Henry instead of an absent Dalton Kincaid then Allen is likely in the process of repeating his MVP performance.......and then some.  

 

2) As for the old argument that Tom Brady had no pass game options.........he had a HoF TE in Gronk and a very impactful, dynamic player in Julian Edelman(much better than anyone the Bills currently have at WR) for a lot of those seasons in question.

 

When it started getting to the level of how bad the Bills receiving talent is THIS season....specifically 2019....that's when Brady's production fell off dramatically and the next season he went to Tampa Bay and his career was revived thanks to a bunch of excellent receiving options.

Edited 24 minutes ago by BADOLBILZ

[Ya Digg?]

30 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Agree now EVERY game is a huge game for us and it is all because we underestimated the Pats in game 1 (handing them turnovers) and the abortion games  known as the Dolphin and Falcon game.

Sorry I'm confused - how does having turnovers show they underestimated the Pats?

[VaMilBill]

16 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Bosa week to week.  Hoping Fox is ready to step up and play meaningful snaps.

 

At this point, they should shut down Palmer for a couple weeks and let the ankle heal.

Pat Moran on twitter indicated we may not see Bosa again until Christmas fwiw. 

[co_springs_billsfan]

 

[MasterStrategist]

6 minutes ago, VaMilBill said:

Pat Moran on twitter indicated we may not see Bosa again until Christmas fwiw. 

McD said it could be 1-2 weeks or 4-5, hoping for the shorter end of time frame-- so yeah I'd fully expect he is out at least until Dec 21st but more likely the 28th, they won't rush a player back from soft tissue immediately before playoffs.

[bills742]

 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, MasterStrategist said:

McD said it could be 1-2 weeks or 4-5, hoping for the shorter end of time frame-- so yeah I'd fully expect he is out at least until Dec 21st but more likely the 28th, they won't rush a player back from soft tissue immediately before playoffs.

Just rest him until the Playoffs.  
 

We have zero pass rush with him playing hurt.  Maybe pulling his hamstring is a blessing disguise so we’re forced to rest him and his wrist.  
 

 

[VaMilBill]

2 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

McD said it could be 1-2 weeks or 4-5, hoping for the shorter end of time frame-- so yeah I'd fully expect he is out at least until Dec 21st but more likely the 28th, they won't rush a player back from soft tissue immediately before playoffs.

I’m assuming they are probably trying to figure out the severity of the hamstring injury still? That seems like a wide spread in timeline. 
 

Or perhaps they are simply waiting to see how these next two games go and decide if they need him back in the line-up sooner if we lose one or both of our next couple of games to stay alive for the playoff hunt  

[ScotSHO]

13 minutes ago, VaMilBill said:

Pat Moran on twitter indicated we may not see Bosa again until Christmas fwiw. 

Correct.  I said hamstrings take 3-4 weeks when Kincaid pulled his and a moderator here erased my post.  Past performance is an indicator of future performance in this injury case.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

1 minute ago, ScotSHO said:

Correct.  I said hamstrings take 3-4 weeks when Kincaid pulled his and a moderator here erased my post.  Past performance is an indicator of future performance in this injury case.

Under what justification?

[bills742]

 

[Buffalo4Life01]

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