11/9/25 GAMEDAY Bills at Dolphins Post Game Thread

[BananaB]

1 hour ago, MasterStrategist said:

And the offense cant go 3 and out consecutively either OR miss on key 4th downs/turn it over in critical situations.

 

Our offense was non existent 1st half.  We gave Miami the ball at midfield.  Drove it and fumbled by Cook.

 

2nd half, same story after a great drive but we throw a pick.  

 

Its the equivalent of having a pitcher give up 2 runs in the 1st, but shut them down thru the 6th.  But offense cant produce.

 

We are out of sync on offense this year.  Simple fact.  We have consistency issues, I dont care how many points weve scored.  We lost 3 games now because our offense cant do its job.

It’s gonna happen time to time because of the style O they play. If they don’t get the run game going and don’t control the LOS(just like McD says over and over)you put them in situations where it’s their weakness. Throwing downfield past 5 yards is a serious weakness for this O and it’s been talked about all season. When the D gives up two long TD drives in the first 3 drives it puts more pressure on O. Why do you  Miami took the ball when they won the coin toss? They wanted that lead for a reason. 
 

I feel we lost one and that’s the Pats. The other 2 the D deserve its fair share just as much as the O. You can’t come out and give up multiple long time consuming TD drives. The O being out of sync in those games is a key factor too. But sitting on the bench waiting and waiting to get more opportunities really doesn’t help you get in a grove. 

Edited 1 hour ago by BananaB

[MasterStrategist]

Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Are you kidding me? Yes. Of course it is. This might be the worst one so far. We couldn’t stop the saints FFS. Our defense is killing us. The bills were the number one offense in the league going into today. Do you watch the games?

Lol.  You really think this is a #1 offense.

 

Or anywhere close to it?

 

Strong disagree, with what weve seen -- which is inconsistent results and an offense reliant on running first.

 

Defense is shaky, but what do you expect with injuries?  Essentially be like taking Cook, Dion, Kincaid, and Spencer off the field rifht now, to be equivalent to our defensive injuries.

[Walking Tall]

23 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

BEST ANALOGY 

 

I think so.

 

Hasek was the best the NHL had to offer. The Sabres built a ***** team around him and never went for the brass ring.

 

IMO, Allen is the best the NFL has to offer. And each year that passes not only are they not going for the gold, but their roster talent is declining. 
 

McDermott=Ruff. Two coaches that are average to above average that greatly benefitted from having the greatest player in their respective sports.

 

 

[dorquemada]

24 minutes ago, T.E. said:

I don't think he even wants to play until he's that old. We've got 2-3 season, tops, to win the Super Bowl, in my opinion.

 

One chronic injury and we'll get an andrew luck type exit

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Walking Tall said:

I think so.

 

Hasek was the best the NHL had to offer. The Sabres built a ***** team around him and never went for the brass ring.

 

IMO, Allen is the best the NFL has to offer. And each year that passes not only are they not going for the gold, but their roster talent is declining. 
 

McDermott=Ruff. Two coaches that are average to above average that greatly benefitted from having the greatest player in their respective sports.

 

 

I always liked Nolan more than Ruff. Not popular I know but I did.

 

[Tulsabillsfanz]

It seemed we couldn’t establish the running game.  The best passing plays were Josh avoiding the rush, scrambling around, avoiding defenders and buying time until he finally finds someone open & completes the pass.   That tells me that the actual play calls for both running plays and passing plays were not working all game. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

10 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

And the offense cant go 3 and out consecutively either OR miss on key 4th downs/turn it over in critical situations.

 

Our offense was non existent 1st half.  We gave Miami the ball at midfield.  Drove it and fumbled by Cook.

 

2nd half, same story after a great drive but we throw a pick.  

 

Its the equivalent of having a pitcher give up 2 runs in the 1st, but shut them down thru the 6th.  But offense cant produce.

 

We are out of sync on offense this year.  Simple fact.  We have consistency issues, I dont care how many points weve scored.  We lost 3 games now because our offense cant do its job.

 

in the past, we had the players and the style on O where if we were inconsistent, we could cover over it with some big splash plays. Not anymore. We have to execute all the little stuff at a high level with the style of offense they now want to play.

[MasterStrategist]

3 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

The defense has given up back breaking explosive plays this year over and over and over.

 

Yes I do.  This was the year they were going to redo the defense the way they redid the offense in 23 and 24 from the line to the backs/tight ends.  

 

It has failed thanks to injury, player regression and reliance on old players who should not be playing in these games.

 

The explosive plays they have given up this year and the poor tackling has been atrocious.  Mcdermott had no plans to call plays this year but it has been so bad he has had to step in.  It got worse today.

 

No offense can win with their defense giving up explosive plays like this.

Injuries are the key IMO, but I agree with everything leading to poor performance RN.

 

And agree, McD has had to take over unfortunately.  Babich was a poor decision, but hes reluctant to let him go and honestly it makes zero sense at this point of season --- McD will just continue to call it.

 

But I dont think the defense is the reason for us losing.  We have serious issues putting up points when needed.  We kept this a 16 point game for quite some time and the offense had plenty of chances to score.  We even got off the field again at 16-6.  Then Josh turns it over.

 

Same story vs Pats and Falcons.  Defense couldn't make key stops, but the offense was given plenty of opportunities as well and somehow with an MVP player, we cant consistently move the ball when needed.  These are NOT great defenses that we went against, good in Pats and Falcons, but horrivle in Miami.  

 

If we had Denvers team, maybe we win 10-7.  But its an offensive struggle to move the ball at times right now...that is obvious

 

[Success]

Too much merging, mods.

 

[BillsFan130]

34 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

That's all on beane

 

McDermott is not like Bill belichick who is the judge jury and executioner and was the GM 

 

Brandon Beane has been general manager here for years and put together this roster 

 

He has missed on lots of picks

It's definitely Beane/Mcdermott for the whole roster though. The lack of talent? Sure I would say that's mostly Beane.

 

But McDermott also has a big say on how this roster is constructed.
 

He hated the Brian Daboll philosophy where they couldn't run the ball. 
 

So Now we over corrected on offence, and have constructed an offensive identity where we want to run/play clock control. That identify, McDermott definitely has his fingerprints on

[Johnnycage46]

12 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

One chronic injury and we'll get an andrew luck type exit

I fear we might get that without an injury. He is probably tired of having such a hard time on O and zero Front Office support via personnel.

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

It's definitely Beane/Mcdermott for the whole roster though. The lack of talent? Sure I would say that's mostly Beane.

 

But McDermott also has a big say on how this roster is constructed.
 

He hated the Brian Daboll philosophy where they couldn't run the ball. 
 

So Now we over corrected on offence, and have constructed an offensive identity where we want to run/play clock control. That identify, McDermott definitely has his fingerprints on

I don't think McDermott is opposed to throwing a football 

 

He was opposed to throwing it 40 times and running 10 times which is not a Super bowl winning strategy either 

 

If we had John Brown Beasley and digs again and they were running well I have no doubt McDermott would throw more 

 

Beane is the one signing and drafting wide receivers

 

When you're paying an offensive line and a quarterback and a running back there's not much money to go around for wide receiver you have to hit on the pics and pro personnel acquisitions 

 

Something that we really haven't hit on since Brown and Beasley 

 

That's big... McDermott can only work with what he is given... Unlike Bill belichick he is not in full control if he was they wouldn't need Brandon Beane 

 

McDermott would just have a GM title also like BB... Beane got the praise for bringing in diggs, brown ... Not McDermott 

 

You should also get the blame for not bringing in any more dogs

[Steptide]

That hard knocks curse is legit 😉

[JohnNord]

44 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

Diggs and Hollins are a lot better than the Bills WRs.

Diggs maybe.  Hollins is not better than Shakir or Palmer.  

[twist_to_open]

Had Landon Jackson not gone down, we would've won in a blow out.

[HOUSE]

Is it safe to come in here yet?

 

Edited 1 hour ago by HOUSE

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I don't think McDermott is opposed to throwing a football 

 

He was opposed to throwing it 40 times and running 10 times which is not a Super bowl winning strategy either 

 

If we had John Brown Beasley and digs again and they were running well I have no doubt McDermott would throw more 

 

Beane is the one signing and drafting wide receivers

 

When you're paying an offensive line and a quarterback and a running back there's not much money to go around for wide receiver you have to hit on the pics and pro personnel acquisitions 

 

Something that we really haven't hit on since Brown and Beasley 

 

That's big... McDermott can only work with what he is given... Unlike Bill belichick he is not in full control if he was they wouldn't need Brandon Beane 

 

McDermott would just have a GM title also like BB... Beane got the praise for bringing in diggs, brown ... Not McDermott 

 

You should also get the blame for not bringing in any more dogs

I am not saying McDermott is anti passing. But the point is there was a massive foundational switch in the offence.
 

They went from the heaviest 11 personnel team in the league with Daboll, to now being obsessed with playing 12/13 personnel and running the ball/playing clock control.

 

It is a pretty well known fact that McDermott hated Dabolls pass aggressive approach.

 

If you put the pieces to the puzzle,  he most certainly has a big part on the overall philosophy of this offence

[TheFunPolice]

The part owners who were all pro athletes might save us.

 

They could be in Pegula's ears about how short an athlete's career is and the need to act before it's beside the point. 

[MikePJ76]

12 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Diggs maybe.  Hollins is not better than Shakir or Palmer.  

Hollins is a spark plug, he brought an energy to the 0ffense last year.  Along with alec anderson, the two of them brought an attitude to the field, they were always mixing it up after plays and keeping everyone excited.  That is missing big time this year.  Hollins plays every week and catches pretty much anything thrown to him. 

 

my understanding is the pats offered him 2 years at 10 million and that was apparently to much for buffalo.  Hollins had a great game today, important timely catches and played with his hair on fire all game in the running game from what I could see.

 

I bet Josh Allen sees the highlights of Hollins catching third downs and deep balls at that on third down and bites down hard and keeps his mouth shut.  

 

It was a mistake not bringing back Hollins.  Palmer was an always hurt guy and they bet he would stay healthy here.  He hasn't and now the season is in a tough spot and who knows when he will play.  I wanted them to sign for Darius Slayton, an always hurt guy too but when he plays he can get open in the deep third of the field.  They signed palmer instead.  Palmer and moore have just not done anything.

 

I would take hollins and what he brought to the team in the big picture over moore or palmer and fwiw hollins makes more plays down the field than shakir and costs less money.  Most importantly Hollins plays every damn week which is the most important trait.  

 

Everything that can go wrong this year has gone wrong.  Allen must be sick watching drake maye throw balls to a wide open hollins  every week.

Edited 1 hour ago by MikePJ76

[Andy1]

The Palmer and Kincaid injuries crippled the offense. Keon isn’t ready. Bean never planned to have adequate depth at WR. McBean don’t seem to care much about the position given how they spend their resources. Samuel and Moore are either washed or the OC doesn’t know how to use them. Every year they are short on talent at WR. Rinse and repeat. This is sickening to watch.