Bills Don't have Receiver Problem, they have a perception problem-- Jim Kubiak BN

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

I might suggest you don't use Coleman as a positive example subject at this juncture .

 But ...

Please expand for bolded 😋

 Big Yep Good Buddy

Well I'm saying him and worthy are both equally disappointments so it's not like one's a better weapon than the other

[vincec]

Just get Brady a couple of big guys who can get open and catch. Everything will take care of itself.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Well if you're going to play that game I'm pretty sure the bills have three second round picks... And a first round tight end 

 

Xavier worthy wasn't really worthy of a first round pick he's not a thousand yard receiver he's not even a number two right now.. I pretty sure Coleman has a hundred yard game this year and worthy doesn't

 

Both have done nothing for their draft spot.. the only wide receiver they have that's way better on the outside than what we have is rice.. and you could game plan to not let him beat you

 

Palmer has more yards than juju and Hollywood the last 3 years

 

So we have a first round tight end.. 3 second round picks.. 1 third round pick and a fourth round pick 

 

But draft position means nothing once you're in the league .. it's what you're doing

 

 

Play that game?  Read the post I responded to before you presume it was my game.

 

His argument was look at all these second and f*cking 5th round picks Beane has invested at WR.😂

 

My point is that it costs A LOT of capital to build a good WR room nowadays.

 

I'm right.

 

Teams like the Eagles, Vikings and Bengals literally have 2 first rounders each on the boundary.    

 

Those teams don't have a Josh Allen out there for 130 consecutive starts.......but in a Chiefs dominated league they have 3 more SB appearances than the Bills since 2021.

 

Juju is the 4th WR option on the Chiefs.   Palmer is the Bills #1 option on the boundary.    What are you smoking thinking that's a favorable comparison?

 

I will be the first to say that draft position means nothing once you're in the league.........but the investment point stands........if you aren't taking regular BIG swings at WR you probably aren't going to be good at WR.   And over the past decade the teams that make the SB's are usually loaded at WR.  

 

It's probably been since Carolina that we've seen a bad WR room reach a SB.   And this is a BAD WR room.   Do you dispute that?

 

[3rdand12]

well it is not one that stands out for the right reasons currently.

 The TEs are decent or better and Shakir can play football quite well.

 But they might as well be passing more to the RBs if they want to expand the playbook.

Not having a 1A limits what you can call

Even if you are Chan and Fitzy.

 And honest threat in that skill position can lift the whole offense.

 Can we assume Palmer was the latest effort by Beane ?

 

When is the trade deadline  🤠

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Play that game?  Read the post I responded to before you presume it was my game.

 

His argument was look at all these second and f*cking 5th round picks Beane has invested at WR.😂

 

My point is that it costs A LOT of capital to build a good WR room nowadays.

 

I'm right.

 

Teams like the Eagles, Vikings and Bengals literally have 2 first rounders each on the boundary.    

 

Those teams don't have a Josh Allen out there for 130 consecutive starts.......but in a Chiefs dominated league they have 3 more SB appearances than the Bills since 2021.

 

Juju is the 4th WR option on the Chiefs.   Palmer is the Bills #1 option on the boundary.    What are you smoking thinking that's a favorable comparison?

 

I will be the first to say that draft position means nothing once you're in the league.........but the investment point stands........if you aren't taking regular BIG swings at WR you probably aren't going to be good at WR.   And over the past decade the teams that make the SB's are usually loaded at WR.  

 

It's probably been since Carolina that we've seen a bad WR room reach a SB.   And this is a BAD WR room.   Do you dispute that?

 

Banger post

[VW82]

I agree with the general sentiment. For example, Kincaid for all intents and purposes is a WR and he was a 1st round investment in the passing offense, but this gets conveniently left out in all these agenda driven discussions about the receiving room. 

 

But with all that said, we do have an actual wide receiver problem and its because we've gotten low returns on our other big investments in Palmer, Samuel, and Keon. 

Edited 16 hours ago by VW82

[Brand J]

Yahoo sports is stoking the fire with this headline:

 

“Despite missing a month, Lamar Jackson still has more passing TDs this season than Josh Allen”

 

Of course the comments have been aplenty. Lamar has 14 passing TDs in 5 games, Allen has 12 in 7.

[machine gun kelly]

On 10/30/2025 at 8:55 AM, Gregg said:

Hurts has Brown and Smith

Burrow when healthy has Chase and Higgins

Dak has CEE-DEE and Pickens

Allen has what at the WR position that would be considered elite... NOTHING!!!

 

 

Exactly.  Spot on as often Gregg.

[machine gun kelly]

Kubiak can explain away anything he wants with statically gymnastics, but the reality is we are going to face a fast Worthy, Rice, Juju, and so on.

 

What does Jos have to counter other than Dalton, Shakir, and Cook.  Stop finding ways for Beane not make a trade, and we’ll fail in the end.

[without a drought]

Receivers don't get the ball in a Brady run offense. It might be that simple, then when they need to it looks awkward.

 

They could use better wr's but not sure what they would do with them. The short passing game looks forced and the long ball is non existent. 

[FireChans]

11 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Play that game?  Read the post I responded to before you presume it was my game.

 

His argument was look at all these second and f*cking 5th round picks Beane has invested at WR.😂

 

My point is that it costs A LOT of capital to build a good WR room nowadays.

 

I'm right.

 

Teams like the Eagles, Vikings and Bengals literally have 2 first rounders each on the boundary.    

 

Those teams don't have a Josh Allen out there for 130 consecutive starts.......but in a Chiefs dominated league they have 3 more SB appearances than the Bills since 2021.

 

Juju is the 4th WR option on the Chiefs.   Palmer is the Bills #1 option on the boundary.    What are you smoking thinking that's a favorable comparison?

 

I will be the first to say that draft position means nothing once you're in the league.........but the investment point stands........if you aren't taking regular BIG swings at WR you probably aren't going to be good at WR.   And over the past decade the teams that make the SB's are usually loaded at WR.  

 

It's probably been since Carolina that we've seen a bad WR room reach a SB.   And this is a BAD WR room.   Do you dispute that?

 

Can we also add that basically no team has succeeded in building a great WR room with their strategy of FA WRs.

 

The Jags were famous FA WR over spenders. They handed out ridiculous contracts for Kirk and Zay and other dudes. Fast forward a few years and they are spending back to back first rounders at WR because those guys weren’t good enough.

 

It is not “the way” as much as Beane wants to bargain bin shop.

[Cubanmist 1]

On 10/30/2025 at 11:38 AM, Mikey152 said:

Counterpoint to all the WR haters:

 

Last season we brought in MVS as a deep threat. He did basically nothing (2/26 in 6 games) and was cut during the season.

 

After he was cut, he was signed by the saints and put up 17 catches for 385 yards and 4 TDs in 8 games. Cooper (his replacement) over that same time frame had 20 catches for 297 and 2 TDs.

 

Even Diggs and Davis looked like trash when Brady took over mid season. It is time to start seeing the writing on the wall...it's not just the WR. The real question is, is it even really a problem?  Numbers wise it might be, but scoring wise and record wise I am not convinced it is.

 

 

MVS couldn’t catch the ball when he created separation and the ball was thrown his way. After a while the QB loses confidence in his WR

[Mike R]

On 10/30/2025 at 9:00 AM, SectionC3 said:

This drives me nuts.  A guy I knew who was an assistant during the super bowl years told a story that Walt Corey would berate the offense for scoring too fast.  Seems like we’re getting back there with our self imposed governor on that side of the ball.  Run. More. Plays.  It drives me nuts. 

You would think having a great running game would help the passing game. Defenses load the box to stop the run which opens the pass game for one of the best qb’s in the game. It’s not happening.Josh is not making them pay. It’s a combination of coaching, Josh, and lack of explosive receivers. I think it’s also McD. There are times the defense can’t stop anything and I think he tries to protect his defense by dictating a ball control run first time consuming offense. It limits the possessions and requires limiting penalties and turnovers which the conservative offense can’t overcome. If the Bills limit turnovers and penalties they are in every game. If Josh gets hit they win. The problem is Josh is struggling in this offense and seems to be regressing. Also it is boring and difficult to watch. McDermott and Bean have gone all in on defense and don’t have the cap room to improve the offense. They’ve handcuffed one of the best qb’s into being a game manager and it sucks.

[DCofNC]

On 10/30/2025 at 8:55 AM, Gregg said:

Hurts has Brown and Smith

Burrow when healthy has Chase and Higgins

Dak has CEE-DEE and Pickens

Allen has what at the WR position that would be considered elite... NOTHING!!!

 

 

I can’t take anyone who laughed or thumbs downed this post, it’s nothing but fact if if anyone here is going to try to argue anyone on this team outside of Allen and Cook is “Elite”, you drink too much.

1 hour ago, without a drought said:

Receivers don't get the ball in a Brady run offense. It might be that simple, then when they need to it looks awkward.

 

They could use better wr's but not sure what they would do with them. The short passing game looks forced and the long ball is non existent. 

Funny, bc if you look at his tenure with elite WRs in College, there was no problem throwing the ball.

[Psautcsk]

11 minutes ago, Mike R said:

You would think having a great running game would help the passing game. Defenses load the box to stop the run which opens the pass game for one of the best qb’s in the game. It’s not happening.Josh is not making them pay. It’s a combination of coaching, Josh, and lack of explosive receivers. I think it’s also McD. There are times the defense can’t stop anything and I think he tries to protect his defense by dictating a ball control run first time consuming offense. It limits the possessions and requires limiting penalties and turnovers which the conservative offense can’t overcome. If the Bills limit turnovers and penalties they are in every game. If Josh gets hit they win. The problem is Josh is struggling in this offense and seems to be regressing. Also it is boring and difficult to watch. McDermott and Bean have gone all in on defense and don’t have the cap room to improve the offense. They’ve handcuffed one of the best qb’s into being a game manager and it sucks.

What happens if Josh gets hurt?

[CincyBillsFan]

8 hours ago, VW82 said:

I agree with the general sentiment. For example, Kincaid for all intents and purposes is a WR and he was a 1st round investment in the passing offense, but this gets conveniently left out in all these agenda driven discussions about the receiving room. 

 

But with all that said, we do have an actual wide receiver problem and its because we've gotten low returns on our other big investments in Palmer, Samuel, and Keon. 

Kincaid is not a WR, not even close.  He is a very good pass catching TE.  There is a huge difference between the two.

 

 

[milfandcookies]

47 minutes ago, Psautcsk said:

What happens if Josh gets hurt?

Forfeits lol

[BillsVet]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

Can we also add that basically no team has succeeded in building a great WR room with their strategy of FA WRs.

 

The Jags were famous FA WR over spenders. They handed out ridiculous contracts for Kirk and Zay and other dudes. Fast forward a few years and they are spending back to back first rounders at WR because those guys weren’t good enough.

 

It is not “the way” as much as Beane wants to bargain bin shop.

 

Beane let down his guard a little this off-season saying in an interview (I believe on WGR) how college WR evals are hard.  I take that as a GM who avoids drafting WRs high on risk alone and goes with the supposedly safer option of UFA's because they have NFL tape.  Translated, it means he's more concerned about a top-60 pick busting than he is wasting valuable cap room on guys like Samuel, Moore, et al.    

 

I'm really not sure there is any position that this franchise is good finding talent in the draft for, but WR might be the absolute worst. 

[SectionC3]

31 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Beane let down his guard a little this off-season saying in an interview (I believe on WGR) how college WR evals are hard.  I take that as a GM who avoids drafting WRs high on risk alone and goes with the supposedly safer option of UFA's because they have NFL tape.  Translated, it means he's more concerned about a top-60 pick busting than he is wasting valuable cap room on guys like Samuel, Moore, et al.    

 

I'm really not sure there is any position that this franchise is good finding talent in the draft for, but WR might be the absolute worst. 

This is why I'd like them to dangle a 1 for Addison or Waddle.  I have it on good authority that they loved Addison.  Same concept here as the first Diggs trade.  Spend the premium asset on someone who is proven.  

[starrymessenger]

10 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Beane let down his guard a little this off-season saying in an interview (I believe on WGR) how college WR evals are hard.  I take that as a GM who avoids drafting WRs high on risk alone and goes with the supposedly safer option of UFA's because they have NFL tape.  Translated, it means he's more concerned about a top-60 pick busting than he is wasting valuable cap room on guys like Samuel, Moore, et al.    

 

I'm really not sure there is any position that this franchise is good finding talent in the draft for, but WR might be the absolute worst. 

It's certainly true that WR evals are generally hard, but the same can be said about any position. But while not all positions are represented with equal strength in any draft, there are usually a handful of players at pretty much every position who can be expected to succeed with reasonable certainty. If you are going to land one of those it helps a lot if you are picking lower in the order which typically we don't do. And since we don't pick early we are often having to decide whether to move down in the draft. Well not only did the Bills not make a move for BTJ but the same can be said about Addison, who is a solid #2, and who the Bills were reputed to be high on. The Bills really do not prioritize the position in the way that many other teams do, WR being in the minds of many a premium position, especially if you happen to have an elite quarterback. Other than Keon their only move in the last draft was a throw away 7th round pick. 
The Coleman pick also suggests that it's not just that they tend to place emphasis elsewhere. It's also that they appear not to know or know how to develop wideouts either. Keon is a raw, developmental talent. Personally I continue to think that he could be a productive player but not given the responsibilities he's been assigned. They are not doing him any favours even if he shares some blame. 
It's pretty obvious that Brady's scheme and current philosophy is not conducive to having an effective passing attack. That's why Diggs wanted out IMO.  Eagles are also run first these days but they still line up with two WRs who by themselves are capable of breaking a game open (which can only make Saquon even more effective). Brady had a great passing attack at LSU so I'm not sure he's to blame. He doesn't have the horses, so it's chicken and egg. The thinking, such as it is, comes from elsewhere, higher up. Just guessing but I suspect McD has the most to say in how these decisions are made. 
I hope that they land Shaheen. Given that he is a rental for which they would have to overpay, the move makes the most sense if they immediately enter into discussions with his agent. He should be their #2 going forward. Prioritize finding a #1 by any means and if you are successful you've got a juggernaut for an offence.