What's wrong with Josh?

[BillsFanForever19]

7 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

The crosser to Moore was high and the crosser to Kincaid was well placed. I think when you throw 19 passes it’s hard to get rolling. 

 

I think it's fair to say that's part of the problem is that Josh is a rhythm passer and there is no rhythm to the passing game bc of the lack of guys getting open.

 

But he's gotta figure it out. Too often the past few weeks I've been looking at his completion percentage hovering around or under 50%. And there just isn't enough open opportunities to be missing on overthrows over peoples heads or under throws at their feet.

 

This is part of the reason so many of us were screaming that he needed more help. Expecting him to be what he was last season every season is asking far too much of him. When he's less than perfect, we're screwed.

 

Luckily we ran into a team today that knew we were going to run and couldn't stop it. But we aren't facing the Carolina Panthers every week.

Edited 4 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[ColoradoBills]

He a little banged up.

Josh knows it's all going to be about the playoffs.

Chiefs game will tell us more.

[GoBills808]

Just now, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I think it's fair to say that's part of the problem is that Josh is a rhythm passer and there is no rhythm to the passing game bc of the lack of guys getting open.

 

But he's gotta figure it out. Too often the past week I've been looking at his completion percentage hovering around or under 50%. And there just isn't enough open opportunities to be missing on overthrows over peoples heads or under throws at their feet.

 

This is part of the reason so many of us were screaming that he needed more help. Expecting him to be what he was last season every season is asking far too much of him. When he's less than perfect, we're screwed.

 

Luckily we ran into a team today that knew we were going to run and couldn't stop it. But we aren't facing the Carolina Panthers every week.

Lol his completion percentage was 63% today

 

3 guesses what it was last season 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Lol his completion percentage was 63% today

 

3 guesses what it was last season 

Without looking 62%

[Allen2Moulds]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Josh Allen has identified as a football player his whole life and this was his goal to be an NFL star 

 

Now his new wife is telling him that he's more than a football player...

 

You don't think that's way more of a mental hurdle than anything a football player is throwing at him when he's a football player? 

 

No he's definitely going through mental hurdles right now also.. before he married that woman he was a football player

 

If you have a spouse that support your dreams 100% that's amazing.. if she's telling you you're more than your career that has given you a platform I don't know

I know that your opinion more or less is that because we invested in the oline, Josh has to make due with the receivers he's been dealt.

 

I have to mention to you that the greatest QB of alltime with a good oline and below average WRs, could not win. That man is of course Tom Brady. That last year or 2 in NE, he had some subpar weapons, and it looked like the end was near for Tommy Boy. Goes to Tampa, a team with good weapons and wins another SB.

Whos the last team to win a SB with this level of WR play?

[GoBills808]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Without looking 62%

I can almost guarantee people in this thread don't realize he's completing a significantly higher percentage of his throws this season than last

 

We don't have reasonable expectations at QB. We demand MVP level play w lesser talent and coaching

[tigerthelion]

46 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

This idea of game manager I assume comes from seeing the Bills as a run 1st offense.  Do you really think the Bills would be good throwing it 40 times a game?   If Josh needs to throw it 40 times a game to play well or find a rhythm maybe he isnt as good as we all think he is.

Tom Brady averaged 36 passes a game in his career.  Was he any good? 

[Richard Noggin]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

 

that first half of your post is exactly why I question if he’s protecting himself a little extra - whether injury or constant chirp in his ear about health. 

 

I've never attributed the hesitance/confusion/happy feet to self-preservation, as Allen is always a dawg even when he's out of sync, but there is definitely something(s) interfering with his rhythm and success as a passer for 3-4 weeks consecutively. Smells to me like the passing concepts are just not working, whether that's personnel-related or scheme-based, or both.

 

Really is a repetitive shame that we don't get to see Josh Allen in his prime with dangerous receiving weapons (outside of like 2-3 seasons with Smoke Brown, Beasley, and Diggs and Davis). Even that group proved to be limited once we got to the point in the playoffs where the Chiefs/Bengals are allowed to mug everyone. So it's been unfortunate to watch the beastiest QB ever not have a beasty WR who just elevates when needed (outside of 13 seconds). 

 

This is why I wanted Ben Johnson to replace McD, so we could finally just go all-in on JA17 and attack teams relentlessly. Not unlike Daboll did overall, except his running game couldn't dictate and his OL were always pass blocking a TON. Something is badly missing from the Bills passing game, and it's probably talented WRs and an OC who can scheme up advantageous matchups for his best guys (Kincaid and Cook, mostly). 

 

**was nice to see McD's LBs mugging the A-gaps pre-snap today, like old times, even if one of those looks got chewed up for a nice inside run gain. I feel like that dude just needs to seize the defense and leave Brady alone forever. Either it works or we learn a lot about Brady and Co.'s limitations. 

[Sweats]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

I don’t think he trusts the system as much this year 

 

I also wouldn’t be shocked if he’s nursing some sort of unreported injury a little 

 

 

 

 

Maybe he doesn't trust the system, but does he trust the process?!?...........it's only been about 9 years, so i'm thinking the process has to start paying dividends soon.

[Rigotz]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

1. He's a rhythm passer who thrives with 30 plus passes per game

 

2. prefers shot gun

 

3. likes throwing to speed receivers in 11 personnel.

 

We built an offence basically the exact opposite of that lol

How do you know any of this?

 

What you’re describing is Daboll’s offense when he threw a ton of interceptions.

 

How sure are you that he “likes” shotgun and 11 personnel and throwing 30 times per game?

[BillsFanForever19]

7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Lol his completion percentage was 63% today

 

3 guesses what it was last season 

 

I'm not talking about his final percentage when the clock hits 0:00. That's how it ended. But that's not what it was for a good portion of the game. Or what it was for a good portion of the two games before that.

 

Things opened up a little more once the game got out of hand and the run game was going crazy. But we aren't going to have that every week.

Edited 3 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[HamptonBillsfan]

It’s obvious that Josh is a bit scattershot with his throws, especially as he’s avoiding rushers. The good news is that we are transitioning to a Cook led offense which takes advantage of our O-lines strength. With our receiving corps the coaches believe exposing Josh to free rushers as he goes through progressions and tries to fit throws in tight windows won’t work against top defenses. Instead, Cook is able to put us in favorable down and distance opening up quick release, safe throws to Kincaid, Shakir and Coleman where they can get plenty of YAC. It seems like Cook is capable of taking any carry the distance and that possibility has to open up plenty of opportunities for single covered receivers. I see Josh having plenty of good games but this is our best strategy for now. The most impressive part of our game today was the energy on defense with our new lineman and the emergence of very active LBs( Shaq and Dorian)  This team will be getting tougher every week. 

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

We don't have reasonable expectations at QB. We demand MVP level play w lesser talent and coaching

 

Well said.

[zow2]

Some people are saying it’s Josh, something is wrong with him.  Some say it’s the WRs.. he has zero chemistry with Coleman and Moore,  some say it’s the play calling.

 

I think is a combo of all of it,  but it’s pretty obvious Josh’s game has regressed quite a bit from last season.  The national media always said the hits would take a toll by the time he hit 30-ish years old.  I mean maybe he really is a step slower nowadays, which is enough to get you in trouble.

[nosejob]

31 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said:

More times than not, the play called to the WR isn’t there. Josh is literally going thru multiple reads and no one is remotely open. 
 

What is very concerning is how often we are throwing horizontally vs vertically. Where are the speed crossers from Samuel or Moore? Delayed drags by the TE’s? Release to the RB’s? Ty Johnson passes out of the backfield against a LB we’re money last year. I haven’t seen anything like that called. 
 

And lastly, it’s criminal Brady isn’t using Cook in the passing game!

 

One would think we a strong running game, play action would be an offense strength!

 

Our passing game looks like a grind, compared to so many other offenses. When the last time you remember Josh having an easy throw to a WR? We are getting NOTHING from Samuel, Moore, Coleman and Shavers. 

Amen He could probably be our best deep threat releasing down the sideline once in a while.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

29 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said:

More times than not, the play called to the WR isn’t there. Josh is literally going thru multiple reads and no one is remotely open. 
 

What is very concerning is how often we are throwing horizontally vs vertically. Where are the speed crossers from Samuel or Moore? Delayed drags by the TE’s? Release to the RB’s? Ty Johnson passes out of the backfield against a LB we’re money last year. I haven’t seen anything like that called. 
 

And lastly, it’s criminal Brady isn’t using Cook in the passing game!

 

One would think we a strong running game, play action would be an offense strength!

 

Our passing game looks like a grind, compared to so many other offenses. When the last time you remember Josh having an easy throw to a WR? We are getting NOTHING from Samuel, Moore, Coleman and Shavers. 

Agreed. It’s a WR problem, not a QB one. Allen is in year 9 and has had no problem connecting with WRs in the past. He made Diggs the most productive WR during his 4 year stint here. Diggs, Smoke Brown, Cole Beasley all long time Vets before coming to Buffalo had each of their career years w/ Allen under center. So yeah, it’s not him. 

[CincyBillsFan]

One other point.  Against Atlanta and against Carolina today Allen fired 3 great passes to WR's at the boundary that just missed being in bounds.  I believe all 3 would have resulted in 3rd down conversions had they been caught.  I am very confident that Diggs & Davis catch those 3 passes keeping their feet in bounds.  I watch a lot of football, both NFL & college, and the good WR's make those catches.  In fact last season Cooper made a couple of those kinds of catches at critical moments.

 

We are 7 games into the season and I can't recall a Bills skill player making an exceptional catch.  Maybe the Coleman snag of that batted ball against the Ravens but where I often see multiple WOW catches made in almost every NFL game the lack of those kinds of catches in Bills games goes a long way towards explaining the passing game struggles.  Thankfully, Shakir has had a couple of elite RAC moments or we would really be in trouble throwing the football.

 

 

 

 

 

[Brand J]

I remember the Josh Allen who had a coming out party against the 49ers (not the snow game, the game in 2020). This current version of Allen is far removed from that one. That kid was a gunslinger who was having fun and was fun to watch. Today he is a neutered version of his old self. Whether that’s because he’s worrying about turnovers, his wide receivers, or isn’t the lead man on offense, I don’t know. But right now everything runs through James Cook. 

[DapperCam]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Id argue Josh is past his prime as a physical runner.

 

He doesn’t look nearly as fast or hard to bring down scrambling this year imo.

I don't think he's any slower, just less decisive. I think coaches have drilled into his head don't scramble and take hits. As a result he takes off one second later which is all it takes for the gap to close.

[thenorthremembers]

5 minutes ago, tigerthelion said:

Tom Brady averaged 36 passes a game in his career.  Was he any good? 

Josh Allen is not Tom Brady.  Looking at our passing offense would you really choose to throw it more?

Edited 3 hours ago by thenorthremembers