Jags listening to trade calls for Brian Thomas

[In Summary]

29 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

What Bills fans seem to forget when talking about getting rid of Keon Coleman is that Josh Allen wanted to draft him, and probably why he is targeted so often by him.

1. Allen doesn't speak ill of people so whether he really wanted Coleman or was just being polite is uncertain.

2. QB's don't necessarily know what they need. They may want a receiver even when their skill set is not a good fit for them. Greg Cosell talked about Allen needing his receivers to be able to "flash" that they're open. 

3. I hope we don't overpay for Thomas or any player.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

6 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Imagine having BTJ,Travis Hunter, Dyami Brown and Tim Patrick and ETN in the backfield and not being able to make it work.

 

 

 

 

It’s almost as if all of them are incredibly overrated. Jags is an appropriate name for the team because everyone you mentioned is Just a Guy

[FireChans]

17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Lol, not pivoting. I’m calling it as I see it. He looks LOST. At the same time, we’ve seen him perform at a Pro Bowl level and have a DESPERATE need at WR. I’d be willing to gamble at this point that the Bills can get the Pro Bowl guy back not the guy playing right now. The juice is worth the squeeze IMO. 
 

With that being said, I’d rather call Arizona and see what it would take to get MHJ and Budda Baker. It’s an EXTREME long shot but they need to start over. They need to move on from Kyler and tear it down. They have no idea what to do with MHJ and it’s been bad since he got there (like BTJ now). Baker’s name is always in the rumor mill. Would you (hypothetically) trade 2 1sts for them? I would.

I’m meh on that.

 

You have to look at it from Arizona’s side. MHJ is like their most hyped draft pick since Kyler and their HC has been there for 3 years. They aren’t getting rubber stamped by ownership on a midseason tear down unless it’s a MASSIVE overpay. Kyler is probably playing elsewhere next year but I’m not sure the GM and HC are sticking around for round 2. They will probably try to hang on to MHJ to see if they can get him going with the next round.

 

Furthermore, I don’t know why anyone would want MHJ over BTJ. One is the biggest draft disappointment since Trevor Lawrence and the other was top 3 in receiving as a rookie. It’s not close in value.

[DCOrange]

8 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Imagine having BTJ,Travis Hunter, Dyami Brown and Tim Patrick and ETN in the backfield and not being able to make it work.

 

 

 

 

I think Hunter is in for a big second half of the year. They were literally just using him as a decoy most of the season so far. It's been so odd. Couple that with the rest of the receivers being the worst in the league so far and a million penalties and yeah...it's been a mess. 

[billsbackto81]

1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

It’s almost as if all of them are incredibly overrated. Jags is an appropriate name for the team because everyone you mentioned is Just a Guy

BTJ and Hunter are supposedly high level players. Patrick and Brown are decent 3/4 WR's and I do recall many here clamoring for them when they were available. 

[Alphadawg7]

I am going to go on record here and say this: 

 

I have been a big Beane guy during his tenure, and I think he gets too much flak about the post Diggs WR room which there literally was not much more he could do outside of over paying for a one dimensional DK that would have cost us players this year and caused us to lose Cook too.  So I don't think DK was the right move either.  

 

Very few trades are ones that are no brainers and near MUST do moves - and BTJ is one of those trades (if he really gets traded).  It is such an obvious move for the Bills, that if BTJ really does get traded and the Bills were not in on him, then I think Beane and this regime are on the clock the rest of the year and we better at least reach the SB or I will be on the full regime change train.  He is on a rookie deal for 3 1/2 more seasons, cost is not a problem.  Youth, Size, Length, Speed, and Affordability - there has never been a more perfect scenario to add something like that an offense that sorely needs it.  

 

Even if the real BTJ is some where between last season and this season, its worth the price to get him because just the THREAT of him will dramatically help this offense.  I don't care if it takes a package like we spent for Diggs or a first and a player, it will be worth the price to this team.

 

This is a crossroads moment for Beane.  Look, if BTJ doesn't get traded, then it is what it is.  If BTJ gets traded and the Bills were at least confirmed to have tried, I can live with that.  I mean we can't make the Jags trade with us, and they may not want to send him to play with Josh Allen in their same conference.  But news better come out that we at least tried.

[quincy]

Mac Jones is now in higher esteem than Trevor Lawrence, I never saw that coming! 

 

 

[Pecker]

17 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

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my concern would be whether there’d be any weird friction between him and Keon.  

Having a legit #1 receiver, drawing double teams and beating 1v1 coverage, could legitimately save Coleman’s career and make him 10s of millions.  Like in Cincy where Chase is the best, but Tee Higgins is a great #2. 
 

Beane could really save face with this trade.

[billieve420]

If Jags are willing to listen to offers on BTJ something must be wrong either mental, attitude, or work ethic issues. Wanted BTJ in the draft and would still want team to do their due diligence on any player that could help improve team. 

[Kirby Jackson]

6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I’m meh on that.

 

You have to look at it from Arizona’s side. MHJ is like their most hyped draft pick since Kyler and their HC has been there for 3 years. They aren’t getting rubber stamped by ownership on a midseason tear down unless it’s a MASSIVE overpay. Kyler is probably playing elsewhere next year but I’m not sure the GM and HC are sticking around for round 2. They will probably try to hang on to MHJ to see if they can get him going with the next round.

 

Furthermore, I don’t know why anyone would want MHJ over BTJ. One is the biggest draft disappointment since Trevor Lawrence and the other was top 3 in receiving as a rookie. It’s not close in value.

Obviously it’s a LONG shot. I’m still betting on MHJ having a better career than BTJ. He may need to go elsewhere to do that though. They have absolutely no idea how to get him the ball. They’ve said as much. He’s also been bad and disinterested. He was horrible last year and had 885 and 8. He’s looked suspect this year too. He’s probably going to have 1k+ yards. If the lightbulb goes off, he’s a superstar. I think it will. If it doesn’t, just being in a functional system where they get you the ball, he’s 1200 yards. With all that being said, there’s probably about a 2% chance of Arizona trading him.

Edited 11 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[SC STATE NUPE]

13 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I’m meh on that.

 

You have to look at it from Arizona’s side. MHJ is like their most hyped draft pick since Kyler and their HC has been there for 3 years. They aren’t getting rubber stamped by ownership on a midseason tear down unless it’s a MASSIVE overpay. Kyler is probably playing elsewhere next year but I’m not sure the GM and HC are sticking around for round 2. They will probably try to hang on to MHJ to see if they can get him going with the next round.

 

Furthermore, I don’t know why anyone would want MHJ over BTJ. One is the biggest draft disappointment since Trevor Lawrence and the other was top 3 in receiving as a rookie. It’s not close in value.

Let’s be real, Kyler is not a good QB. Plus he’s ridiculously small! He’s never been able to place the ball where the receiver needs to be. It has to be perfect for him and it doesn’t work like that in the NFL. Marvin with a QB like Josh and OC like Daboll in the past, would be epic. Idk if any stud receiver would look good in Brady’s offense. Watch the Bills move on from Keon and he flourishes elsewhere…

Edited 11 hours ago by SC STATE NUPE

[DrDawkinstein]

59 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said:

We have Shaq Thomson, who has been our best performing LB this year. We also have Hoect who we can deploy in our big package formation. Can be used similar to Lorenzo.

 

Not a fan of converting a DL to a LB and hoping he can cover ground sideline to sideline.

 

Shaq, Bernard, and Wilson keeps us athletic while still increasing the beef.

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Obviously it’s a LONG shot. I’m still betting on MHJ having a better career than BTJ. He may need to go elsewhere to do that though. They have absolutely no idea how to get him the ball. They’ve said as much. He’s also been bad and disinterested. He was horrible last year and had 885 and 8. He’s looked suspect this year too. He’s probably going to have 1k+ yards. If the lightbulb goes off, he’s a superstar. I think it will. If it doesn’t, just being in a functional system where they get you the ball, he’s 1200 yards.

Thats a crazy take lol.

 

i get he went to OSU but the disinterested guy who is maxing out at 800ish yards a season is gonna have a better career than the disinterested guy who had nearly 1300 yards as a rookie?

 

I don’t know where you think he’s gonna be a 1k receiver this year. Hes averaging 4 more yards a game than last year. He has a brutal drop%. He’s just a massive disappointment.

 

I wouldn’t give a first for him under any circumstances tbh.

2 minutes ago, SC STATE NUPE said:

Let’s be real, Kyler is not a god QB. Plus he’s ridiculously small! He’s never been able to place the ball where the receiver needs to be. It has to be perfect for him and it doesn’t work like that in the NFL. Marvin with a QB like Josh and OC like Daboll in the past, would be epic. Idk if any stud receiver would look good in Brady’s offense. Watch the Bills move on from Keon and he flourishes elsewhere…

BTJ almost hit 1300 yards with Mac Jones throwing him the ball. 
 

Some receivers make it work with bad QB play. They are called “great receivers” for a reason. 

Edited 11 hours ago by FireChans

[NewEra]

If they are listening, I’d offer a 1st in 26 and a 2nd in 27 (or even 26 if that’s what it takes) plus AJ (if they want him.  Maybe they’d want Ray Davis as a 3rd RB too?  

 

We might not even have to give up as much as I mentioned considering how poorly he’s been playing this season.  He has 9 drops already this season.  
 

That said, he’s proven to be a stud and exactly what we need.  Make it happen if the jags are asking for realistic compensation 

[SC STATE NUPE]

6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Thats a crazy take lol.

 

i get he went to OSU but the disinterested guy who is maxing out at 800ish yards a season is gonna have a better career than the disinterested guy who had nearly 1300 yards as a rookie?

 

I don’t know where you think he’s gonna be a 1k receiver this year. Hes averaging 4 more yards a game than last year. He has a brutal drop%. He’s just a massive disappointment.

 

I wouldn’t give a first for him under any circumstances tbh.

BTJ almost hit 1300 yards with Mac Jones throwing him the ball. 
 

Some receivers make it work with bad QB play. They are called “great receivers” for a reason. 

They were down in most of those games and forced to pass. I understand your sentiments completely. But we already know this offense will not force the issue to anybody, including Cook when he’s freaking on fire! No top notch receiver wants to play in this offense. Bills might need to get defensive help and make it work with the receivers they have. I have zero confidence a top notch receiver would be used properly. I get the feeling the Bills would be glad a great receiver would be a decoy and only free up others. AJ Brown would retire if he played in the Bills offense!🤣

[Buffalo03]

22 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I’m meh on that.

 

You have to look at it from Arizona’s side. MHJ is like their most hyped draft pick since Kyler and their HC has been there for 3 years. They aren’t getting rubber stamped by ownership on a midseason tear down unless it’s a MASSIVE overpay. Kyler is probably playing elsewhere next year but I’m not sure the GM and HC are sticking around for round 2. They will probably try to hang on to MHJ to see if they can get him going with the next round.

 

Furthermore, I don’t know why anyone would want MHJ over BTJ. One is the biggest draft disappointment since Trevor Lawrence and the other was top 3 in receiving as a rookie. It’s not close in value.

I think MHJ's struggles are his QB situation. Kyler sucks

11 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Thats a crazy take lol.

 

i get he went to OSU but the disinterested guy who is maxing out at 800ish yards a season is gonna have a better career than the disinterested guy who had nearly 1300 yards as a rookie?

 

I don’t know where you think he’s gonna be a 1k receiver this year. Hes averaging 4 more yards a game than last year. He has a brutal drop%. He’s just a massive disappointment.

 

I wouldn’t give a first for him under any circumstances tbh.

BTJ almost hit 1300 yards with Mac Jones throwing him the ball. 
 

Some receivers make it work with bad QB play. They are called “great receivers” for a reason. 

Justin Jefferson would disagree with you

Edited 11 hours ago by Buffalo03

[strive_for_five_guy]

18 minutes ago, billieve420 said:

If Jags are willing to listen to offers on BTJ something must be wrong either mental, attitude, or work ethic issues. Wanted BTJ in the draft and would still want team to do their due diligence on any player that could help improve team. 

Right, why would they be looking to trade a 1st round pick that they moved up for last season and he balled out in his rookie year?  This doesn’t make sense at all.  That said, if I were Beane and things checked out somehow, I’d be willing to trade solid assets for the guy.  He was who I really wanted in last year’s draft and he’d be at least the 2nd most talented WR Josh has ever played with.

Edited 11 hours ago by strive_for_five_guy

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I think MHJ's struggles are his QB situation. Kyle sucks

 

I don't disagree that Murray is part of the problem, but MHJ has also been a let down to the hype.  

[SoonerBillsFan]

26 minutes ago, In Summary said:

1. Allen doesn't speak ill of people so whether he really wanted Coleman or was just being polite is uncertain.

2. QB's don't necessarily know what they need. They may want a receiver even when their skill set is not a good fit for them. Greg Cosell talked about Allen needing his receivers to be able to "flash" that they're open. 

3. I hope we don't overpay for Thomas or any player.

Cosell said BTJ was the guy we should draft all the way up to the draft

[Dan Darragh]

Exactly what defensive assets should we trade to get him?