Josh Allen Played Most Undisciplined Game in Three years Against Falcons-- Jim Kubiak BN

[Ray Finkel]

2 hours ago, Gigs said:

How is Babich still on the coaching staff? How has he not been fired yet? McD is not going to embarrass the guy, so hes going to embarrass the fans by letting him keep calling plays. 

 

First step in fixing the defense is finding someone who knows how to call plays, coach and adjust how they're playing the offense in front of them. But good on McD for giving the blind a job; such a nice person he is. 

 

What Im trying to say is: Bobby Babich would make an excellent Ref!

McDermott wants a puppet who is going to run his D.  Bring in a coordinator and let him run his own D.  Our D is so soft 

[Coach Tuesday]

4 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

There was room up the sidelines is what i mean.  Don't throw that to have him go out of bounds but to go up field.

 

He was getting clobbered by pressure in his face and he made that throw falling backwards without fully seeing where he was throwing it.  And he still made a pinpoint throw that an alpha receiver should catch (and a receiver getting paid what Shakir is).  This is what folks mean when they say we've become spoiled.

Edited 15 hours ago by Coach Tuesday

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I was responding to a point that over the last few years, not just this season, Mahomess has often looked very pedestrian yet the Chiefs won the game.

 

As for this season I would speculate that the reason the Chiefs are only 3 - 3 is that they've played a very hard schedule to data.

 

But with a team loaded with talent and the best coach, shouldn't they be above .500 when you have that formula?

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, Casey D said:

And I don't see why people reach that conclusion.  In baseball, even the best pitchers like Skubal get lit at least a couple of times a year.  No one has their A game all the time.  It's just that such a stinker from Josh is rare.

 

Also people have their narratives and do not want facts to get in the way.  For example, the Bills receivers suck and Beane should be fired.  It has to be the receivers were not open, not that Josh did not throw to the correct guy.  

💯 

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

You need it for context

 

When what you're asking from one QB is significantly more difficult than avg it helps when you're trying to say poor/mediocre/substandard etc

 

Again- literally nobody is saying Allen played well. I'm just begging people to actually look at the film, decide for themselves what's actually available in this offense vs what another QB might reasonably be expected to produce, and then decide your standard of play

I saw plenty of film that showed he made bad decisions with the ball, held the ball and threw a handful of bad passes. 

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

But with a team loaded with talent and the best coach, shouldn't they be above .500 when you have that formula?

I suspect that by the end of the season they will be well above 500.  And while I hate to defend the Chiefs I think their record over the last 7 years, how many Super Bowls have then been in, speaks for itself.

 

As an aside while I have concerns about this seasons Bills team I also think that they are in a strong position to rebound and go on a run after the bye.  Last season they were 3 - 2 and a lot of fans thought they were down for the count before they went on a 10 - 1 tear.

 

 

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Do you think Allen led Shakir out of bounds on that 3rd down throw?

 

I have two legit criticisms for Allen from this game:

1) There were at least two hot routes he missed, one where he held the ball and one where he didn't read a telegraphed blitz.

2) He needs to stop forcing throws to Coleman. This criticism extends to last week too. I don't care if he's 1v1, it just isn't working and he seemingly hasn't progressed at all. We need a legit X receiver and that falls on Beane. Until then stop trying to make X receiver Keon Coleman a thing. Any other option in the progression is better.

 

No I don't think Allen played like crap. The MNF loss to the Zach Wilson Jets, that game he played like crap. This game he played below his MVP standard and made a few uncharacteristic errors.

While I thought the ball could’ve had slightly better placement. I place the majority of the incompletion on Shakir.  I think some others (even on this team) could’ve made the play.  
 

he did play like crap. It’s on the QB to recognize and deal with the blitz. He failed miserably in that regard….vs a team that led the league in blitzes.  Part on Brady too.  

Edited 15 hours ago by NewEra

[NewEra]

12 minutes ago, Ray Finkel said:

McDermott wants a puppet who is going to run his D.  Bring in a coordinator and let him run his own D.  Our D is so soft 

Agreed.  I want to say good bye to McDermotts defense.  It’s as if it can only function with a good pass rush, 2 great coverage LBers, 2 good corners and 2 all pro safeties…..

[harryS]

3 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

$10 a month to read that. 

Nah.

 

You can read it for free: 

https://archive.is/R2zew

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Yes Allen had a bad game

 

But it was because:

1. Our Oline was soundly whipped at the point of attack by the bigger and more physical Falcon D-Line.  I saw one play where Allen was sacked by 3 defenders at the same time.
2. Allen was running for his life the whole game.  Yes he bailed out of the pocket early because he was about to get killed
3. There was no one open in the WR corp.
4. Our 48M dollar running back was on the sidelines for most of the 4th quarter.  Never mind at the start of the 3rd quarter, Bills featured Cook and we drove it right down for a TD.  I thought we were going to do it again on the next possession but strangely Brady went away from Cook.  Keep in mind the falcons stopped scoring too and didn't score again until late in the 4th.
5. Falcons ran the ball right down our throats because of our weak D-Line keeping pressure on our offense

 

So yes Allen had a bad game but its because of points 1-5 above

The falcons d is bigger and more physical?  🤦🏻‍♂️ 

[BearNorth]

The only Bills offensive players, you have to game plan for are Josh & Cook.  Atlanta has Robinson and London [& Pitts is no slouch]. in the NE game, Diggs ate us alive.  We have been historically good until the NE game avoiding giveaways, but that trend has ended for now. The 4th qtr lack of usage of Cook in a one score game is a mystery. Don't imagine the Bills coaches will have a very enjoyable bye week.

[90sBills]

19 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

But with a team loaded with talent and the best coach, shouldn't they be above .500 when you have that formula?

Do you think they’re a bad team? This is a weird argument for a team that has gone to 3 straight Super Bowls. Their best two receivers were out the first 3 games while they’ve played most of the top teams thus far. If they’re .500 after 12 games you’d have a point. 

[The Jokeman]

3 hours ago, QB Bills said:

That's nice. That same offense once won a super bowl scoring 13 points. Do you envision that ever happening in Buffalo with this coach? Be honest.

Nope but more proof that thinking having the best offense doesn't always bode well and why I get tired of the constant bashing that were not helping Josh by loading up on defense.

[thenorthremembers]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

@HappyDays

you know i was being facetious but if this truly is the prevailing sentiment (it's completely, unequivocally wrong btw), then yes- we should be looking at trading Allen for picks. You do not need a QB like Allen to run this offense and even tho it will 100% look worse w 31/31 other starters it would be in the long term interest of the team to build the Bills out in their image w that capital

You're taking my opinion about two games and making it appear that I am making a holistic argument about Josh being trash.     I obviously dont want to trade Josh Frickin Allen but it isnt a mortal sin to say hes had two bad games back to back.  

2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Watching the OL these past two games, do you really believe we have one of the Olines in the league?  

I think the left side of the Bills oline is fantastic.    I think the center, left guard and right tackle struggle a bit in pass protection.  I also think Josh has imagined pressure that isnt there the last two games and bailed early.

3 hours ago, tigerthelion said:

Have they, though?   Maybe over a short stretch, but not really long stretches, I don't hink.  KC lost talent on offense, so the team was carried by the defense for several years, and Mahomes' level of play definitely was not up to his usual level when this happened.    Can't think of other QBs doing much better with less talent.   I don't have the greatest memory, though. 

 

Mahomes has literally beat Allen head to head with less talent.   Hes the better quarterback.  Not by a mile but he is.   

[The Firebaugh Kid]

4 hours ago, 26TrapDraw said:

The problem is that's 2 weeks in a row he's played the same. Is he losing interest/ fire? Is he tired of not being supported properly by the front office? All of this stuff could be grating on him. I'd be tired of the front office's bullshyt too.

BBB. 
Bring back Brittany. 

[bigduke6]

Josh has been poor for 2 straight games.  he hasnt looked comfortable.  hasnt looked himself.  even his mannerisms.  reminds me of the Cincy playoff game.  i dont know if its just confusion during the game or something off the field.  i wont speculate.  im not too worried,  yet.  this continues past the bye and for 2 more straight games, then we have a problem.  hoping whatever the problem is will get corrected,  and if its something off the field thats causing this,  hope its not bad for Joshs sake.  these guys are paid athletes,  its their job to perform,  they arent robots though.  people have bad days at work.

43 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

You're taking my opinion about two games and making it appear that I am making a holistic argument about Josh being trash.     I obviously dont want to trade Josh Frickin Allen but it isnt a mortal sin to say hes had two bad games back to back.  

I think the left side of the Bills oline is fantastic.    I think the center, left guard and right tackle struggle a bit in pass protection.  I also think Josh has imagined pressure that isnt there the last two games and bailed early.

 

Mahomes has literally beat Allen head to head with less talent.   Hes the better quarterback.  Not by a mile but he is.   

Mahomes hasnt beat Josh.  Mahomes has beaten our D.   Patty doesnt play against Josh and the Chefs by far have had the better D in nearly every matchup.

[Casey D]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Iirc the very best QBs and teams in history didn't win 95% of their games where the opponent scored 24 or fewer

OK.. but our O averaged 30 points per game last year.  What is the percentage in the last 20 years?

[Gugny]

[IBTG81]

3 hours ago, Casey D said:

But it was not a shootout.  Offense had the ball several times when the score was 21-14.  A TD and the game is tied.  In all those situations, the O did jack.  Getting 25 points is not winning a shootout.  14 points and you usually lose.  Pretty simple.

It should have been 28-7 at the half and they were moving the ball at will at that point. 

[BillsVet]

Before the 2024 season, I wondered when people would begin blaming Josh for the team's woes given the WR group they started off with.  There was some criticism leveled, but it died down after the Cooper trade as Buffalo got in the groove offensively.  

 

Here we are again with the this scenario unfolding after 2 unanticipated losses: blaming the QB.  He has his faults and makes mistakes, but these losses typically have more than one contributing cause.  Pretty clear right now on offense those include injuries, play-calling, overall offensive scheme, but more than that's it's poor off-season decisions before we start talking about the reigning NFL MVP.  

[VW82]

Not surprised. It looked bad in the moment. I said as much in the GT and post game thread and got downvoted into oblivion for it, but Josh just wasn't at his best to the point where he was a big reason we lost.

 

As an aside, it feels like Josh is having more problems than usual this year understanding what he's seeing from defenses. Some of these "bad play calls" are only thus because Josh isn't recognizing one side of the field is overloaded defensively, for example, and changing the play; or he is changing the play but it's into something that doesn't work because he just got fooled. Can't win them all but we have to do better at the LOS getting into the right stuff.