BillsShredder83 Posted October 21 Posted October 21 4 hours ago, Gugny said: I think it’s worth it. It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, ref altercations every single year so that we can have fairly/professionally officiated games. That’s a prudent deal. It is rational. I saw 3 brutal calls last few days. 1. Saturday, Georgia Tech had the most obvious undeniable TD I've ever seen... but went to review, and I'm like aiiiiight, at least they'll fix it here. NOPE! 2. Sunday, Hockenson TD late 4th quarter (convenient time for awful call). It was like they're reviewing it with the goal of trying to figure out how they could call it not a catch!!! 3. Monday, a little flimsy, but the Evans catch where he broke his collarbone. I know all the crap about "surviving the ground", but its sooooo overthought. Where did common sense and skill levels go in making these decisions. Catches it, firmly supported, very controlled, bounced & rolled over still had it, play nearly a second over, hes on his back...... no catch 4. Bonus call. Again less solid than my first two.... but over ruling the first down call against Tampa that was ruled a first down. It was sooooo close, youre talking 10ths of an inch. They review it from this bad camera angle that clearly distorts your ability to determine within tenths of an inch..... OVER RULED. Is it no longer indisputable?!? You dont even have a good view to make an educated guess... but I guess thats indisputable now 1 Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted October 21 Posted October 21 3 hours ago, RyanC883 said: yeah I get this. But incompetence at old man bball is different than incompetence from what should be the best football officials. I don't think the reffs are trying to favor certain outcomes, I think a lot of them are legitimately bad, and it's a bad look for the NFL. The NFL also needs to be transparent about fining refs or demoting them fot totally agregis calls like what happened in the Giants-Broncos game (PI call). Also, making more such calls revewable would help. Payton could have challenged that call. They need to bring some stability in. Every single ****'ing call and challenge is held to totally different standards, it undeniable. NFL then doubles down, bring in "Gene Statutory" to tell a few million people that've watched football their whole lives how and why they're wrong again! It's insulting, this isnt a court of law, my God dude wipe the slobber of your chin. Why is it so hard for the NFL to admit they got a call wrong and attempt to fix it. The constant doubling down is what I think drives fans crazy, the most. It'd relieve alotta pressure on refs, the league, players, fans. They'd feel heard. Try new things. College football started letting viewers inside the challenge center with them! Its freaking awesomeeeeeeee. My favorite new thing, it'd be so easy to implement. Instead they choose secrecy, "they're too dumb to even understand" LOL. Now that I've typed it out, they remind me of something.... and it's no wonder we hate it. if the NFL was the government, the morning of November 23, 1963 the headline would've been: "OH NO!!! JFK COMMITS SU---DE AT PARADE! REALLY STUPID & SHAMEFUL CITIZENS IN ATTENDANCE SAY 'NO'" 2 1 Quote
tomur67 Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago It always seems to happen every game against the Chiefs that there is a Bill's long pass play or run play and it's nullified by a questionable holding call. Or, a roughing the passer call that saves the Chiefs from a crucial turnover. Quote
finn Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago Just now, frostbitmic said: As many as it takes. It's so easy to tip the balance when the teams are so close. Holding and pass interference are the favorites because they wipe out good plays for one team and negates bad plays for the other, both keying on plausible deniability. Beautiful money-making system, you have to hand it to them. Quote
B-Man Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago My prediction is that the KC offensive tackle will start early play after play to counter our rush. It will NEVER be called. 1 5 1 1 Quote
strive_for_five_guy Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago https://www.si.com/nfl/chiefs/onsi/kansas-city-buffalo-bills-kadarius-toney-jawaan-taylor-patrick-mahomes Cheffers may be one of the better chances we have… 1 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago Let's be real here. It doesn't matter how the refs call it. People are already conditioned to disagree and cry about it. Weak mentality. 1 1 Quote
Behindenemylines Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago Two phantom PI calls and minimum 3 Offensive holdings against the Bills. we will also get an unsportsmanlike conduct called for 15 yards when Patrick Mahomes b$tt pl$g falls out after a Bills sack. Quote
beebe Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago (edited) Here's penalty data from every Chiefs-Bills game since 2020 (9 games total). All listed are penalties against the offending team. Penalties against: Chiefs: 43 penalties, 322 yards Bills: 48 penalties, 358 yards Unncessary roughness/late hit: Chiefs: 3 (42 yards) Bills: 6 (83 yards) Roughing the passer: Chiefs: 2 (27 yds) Bills: 2 (30 yds) Taunting/unsportsmanlike: Chiefs: 1 Bills: 1 Games with 50+ penalty yards: Chiefs: 4 Bills: 1 Games with >5 flags: Chiefs: 4 Bills: 3 Pre-snap penalties: False start: Chiefs 7, Bills 6 Offside: Chiefs 4, Bills 6 Delay of game: Chiefs 1, Bills 2 Illegal formation/illegal shift: Chiefs 0, Bills 3 Holding-type fouls: Offensive holding: Chiefs 8, Bills 7 Defensive holding: Chiefs 3, Bills 7 Illegal use of hands: Chiefs 3, Bills 1 Ineligible downfield/block above waist: Chiefs 1, Bills 3 Pass interference (offense & defense): Chiefs 9 (117 yds), Bills 6 (63 yds) Quarter by quarter trends: 1st quarter: Chiefs 35 yards, Bills 65 yards 2nd quarter: Chiefs 112 yards, Bills 117 yards 3rd quarter: Chiefs 98 yards, Bills 82 yards 4th quarter: Chiefs 77 yards, Bills 96 yards Declined/offsetting: Bills declined 9 penalties (5 offsetting) Chiefs declined 5 penalties (5 offsetting) Most penalized players: Bills: S. Neal (5), T. White (3), D. Dawkins (3), J. Allen (2) Chiefs: T. Kelce (3), J. Taylor (3), O. Brown (3), B. Breeland (3) Notes: Allen intentional grounding; and unsportsmanlike ... Neal predominantly defensive holding ... Dawkins holding and personal foul ... White DPI and unnecessary roughness ... Kelce offensive PI and false start ... Taylor holding, illegal use of hands ... Brown holding (also two declined) ... Breeland pass DPI, illegal contact, unnecessary roughness. Average yardage swing (per penalty): Chiefs: 8.5 yards Bills: 9.2 yards TOP 10 MOST HARMFUL PENALTIES (RANKED BY ESTIMATED GAME IMPACT) Rank Team Penalty Player Qtr Yds ΔEPA GCF PII Why It Was Devastating ----- ------------- -------------------------- ------------------- ---- ----- ------ ---- ------- -------------------------------------------------------------- 1 Buffalo Defensive Pass Interference Tre'Davious White 3rd 18 +1.9 1.5 +2.85 3rd-and-long DPI deep in own red zone → extended KC drive. 2 Buffalo Intentional Grounding Josh Allen 1st 18 –1.8 1.4 –2.52 Turned red-zone chance into 3rd-and-long; drive stalled. 3 Kansas City Defensive Pass Interference Charvarius Ward 2nd 24 +2.0 1.3 +2.60 Deep shot DPI flipped field into BUF territory. 4 Buffalo Roughing the Passer Ed Oliver 3rd 15 +1.5 1.5 +2.25 Erased 4th-down stop; KC went on to score. 5 Buffalo Unnecessary Roughness A.J. Epenesa 1st 15 +1.3 1.5 +1.95 Post-play shove gave KC new set; early momentum swing. 6 Kansas City Roughing the Passer Frank Clark 4th 15 +1.5 1.2 +1.80 Late-game drive extender; BUF capitalized with points. 7 Buffalo Face Mask Matt Milano 4th 15 +1.2 1.1 +1.32 Gave KC free first down in crunch time. 8 Kansas City Offensive Holding Jawaan Taylor 4th 10 –1.0 1.4 –1.40 Negated key 1st-down conversion on go-ahead drive. 9 Kansas City Offensive Offside Kadarius Toney 4th 5 –0.8 1.4 –1.12 Wiped out positive play in final minutes; stalled drive. 10 Buffalo Defensive Holding Siran Neal 2nd 5 +0.9 1.3 +1.17 3rd-down grab kept KC possession alive, led to points. Edited 16 hours ago by beebe 2 Quote
Joe Ferguson Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago I always look for a flag every time Bills make a big play. 4 Quote
PonyBoy Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 57 minutes ago, beebe said: Here's penalty data from every Chiefs-Bills game since 2020 (9 games total). All listed are penalties against the offending team. Penalties against: Chiefs: 43 penalties, 322 yards Bills: 48 penalties, 358 yards Unncessary roughness/late hit: Chiefs: 3 (42 yards) Bills: 6 (83 yards) Roughing the passer: Chiefs: 2 (27 yds) Bills: 2 (30 yds) Taunting/unsportsmanlike: Chiefs: 1 Bills: 1 Games with 50+ penalty yards: Chiefs: 4 Bills: 1 Games with >5 flags: Chiefs: 4 Bills: 3 Pre-snap penalties: False start: Chiefs 7, Bills 6 Offside: Chiefs 4, Bills 6 Delay of game: Chiefs 1, Bills 2 Illegal formation/illegal shift: Chiefs 0, Bills 3 Holding-type fouls: Offensive holding: Chiefs 8, Bills 7 Defensive holding: Chiefs 3, Bills 7 Illegal use of hands: Chiefs 3, Bills 1 Ineligible downfield/block above waist: Chiefs 1, Bills 3 Pass interference (offense & defense): Chiefs 9 (117 yds), Bills 6 (63 yds) Quarter by quarter trends: 1st quarter: Chiefs 35 yards, Bills 65 yards 2nd quarter: Chiefs 112 yards, Bills 117 yards 3rd quarter: Chiefs 98 yards, Bills 82 yards 4th quarter: Chiefs 77 yards, Bills 96 yards Declined/offsetting: Bills declined 9 penalties (5 offsetting) Chiefs declined 5 penalties (5 offsetting) Most penalized players: Bills: S. Neal (5), T. White (3), D. Dawkins (3), J. Allen (2) Chiefs: T. Kelce (3), J. Taylor (3), O. Brown (3), B. Breeland (3) Notes: Allen intentional grounding; and unsportsmanlike ... Neal predominantly defensive holding ... Dawkins holding and personal foul ... White DPI and unnecessary roughness ... Kelce offensive PI and false start ... Taylor holding, illegal use of hands ... Brown holding (also two declined) ... Breeland pass DPI, illegal contact, unnecessary roughness. Average yardage swing (per penalty): Chiefs: 8.5 yards Bills: 9.2 yards TOP 10 MOST HARMFUL PENALTIES (RANKED BY ESTIMATED GAME IMPACT) Rank Team Penalty Player Qtr Yds ΔEPA GCF PII Why It Was Devastating ----- ------------- -------------------------- ------------------- ---- ----- ------ ---- ------- -------------------------------------------------------------- 1 Buffalo Defensive Pass Interference Tre'Davious White 3rd 18 +1.9 1.5 +2.85 3rd-and-long DPI deep in own red zone → extended KC drive. 2 Buffalo Intentional Grounding Josh Allen 1st 18 –1.8 1.4 –2.52 Turned red-zone chance into 3rd-and-long; drive stalled. 3 Kansas City Defensive Pass Interference Charvarius Ward 2nd 24 +2.0 1.3 +2.60 Deep shot DPI flipped field into BUF territory. 4 Buffalo Roughing the Passer Ed Oliver 3rd 15 +1.5 1.5 +2.25 Erased 4th-down stop; KC went on to score. 5 Buffalo Unnecessary Roughness A.J. Epenesa 1st 15 +1.3 1.5 +1.95 Post-play shove gave KC new set; early momentum swing. 6 Kansas City Roughing the Passer Frank Clark 4th 15 +1.5 1.2 +1.80 Late-game drive extender; BUF capitalized with points. 7 Buffalo Face Mask Matt Milano 4th 15 +1.2 1.1 +1.32 Gave KC free first down in crunch time. 8 Kansas City Offensive Holding Jawaan Taylor 4th 10 –1.0 1.4 –1.40 Negated key 1st-down conversion on go-ahead drive. 9 Kansas City Offensive Offside Kadarius Toney 4th 5 –0.8 1.4 –1.12 Wiped out positive play in final minutes; stalled drive. 10 Buffalo Defensive Holding Siran Neal 2nd 5 +0.9 1.3 +1.17 3rd-down grab kept KC possession alive, led to points. Ummm....respect for your research, but is this your day job? Asking for this board 😀 Quote
Psautcsk Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 1 hour ago, B-Man said: My prediction is that the KC offensive tackle will start early play after play to counter our rush. It will NEVER be called. When Dawkins does it, there is yellow everywhere. 1 Quote
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 1 hour ago, B-Man said: My prediction is that the KC offensive tackle will start early play after play to counter our rush. It will NEVER be called. The False starts have been atrocious the past few years. Especially when Philly started doing their thing. Not even one player, but multiple they let jump off the line a split second early. That’s a grossly unfair advantage. 1 Quote
Dr. Who Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 19 minutes ago, PonyBoy said: Ummm....respect for your research, but is this your day job? Asking for this board 😀 Of course, those who disagree can always charge one with confirmation bias. There's a reason, however, that this is a meme. And a lot of it has to do with the timing of flags. Zebras tend to even it out when it doesn't hurt the precious. 2 Quote
SaulGoodman Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago When the Bills finally win one, will you think it was rigged? Or will that be the one season they took a break from the fix? Quote
Success Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago Just now, SaulGoodman said: When the Bills finally win one, will you think it was rigged? Or will that be the one season they took a break from the fix? Gotta say - I love the "when" in that post. 1 Quote
SaulGoodman Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago Just now, Success said: Gotta say - I love the "when" in that post. Well, yeah, I’d assume it’s going to happen at some point in Allen’s career. Quote
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