McDermott decision making

[djp14150]

1 hour ago, billvernsays said:

By not having a (good) process in place to challenge plays e.g. Tyreek’s Bobble, Josh Allen’s 1st down against the Ravens, we are at a big disadvantage especially when we play better teams/coaches. 
 

I see those 2 non challenges as big mistakes on Sean Mc and without timely mistakes from D Henry and The Dolphins we could easily be 1-2 vs 3-0.
 

Tonight I have McDermotts actions directly leading to 11 points for the dolphins (challenge would have put them 4th and 4 on the 1st drive - 7 points , and the bizarre time outs at the end of the half allowed Miami to go for a TD when they were content running the clock to keep Josh off the field - 4 extra points) Without that gift of the roughing the kicker penalty we could’ve easily lost last night because of these decisions. 
 

Does this concern anyone else or am I missing something? 

On the Allen run you should blame the nfl . Against Miami they did the field position change. Where the F were they on Allen’s run.

 

im not sure which play on tyreek you are talking about.

[Rew]

I thought hill would have been a reasonable challenge.  Probably a 50/50 type of play.  Given how early in the game it was and that it was non definitive I was alright with no challenge.  After the drive was over I wish we took the chance, but live it was the right decision.

 

Allen's slide would not have been overturned.  They have been calling slides like that for years and Allen knew he screwed up.  It would have been an awful call for McD to challenge that.

[Freddie's Dead]

1 hour ago, Johnny Bravo said:

The Dolphins had all the time they needed to score.  Our timeouts were to preserve time for us after they did.

 

They scored the TD with 8 seconds left after using two of their TO's, plus the two TO's the Bills gave them.  I still say if we hadn't stopped the clock twice, they may have had to settle for a FG.

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, billvernsays said:

By not having a (good) process in place to challenge plays e.g. Tyreek’s Bobble, Josh Allen’s 1st down against the Ravens, we are at a big disadvantage especially when we play better teams/coaches. 
 

I see those 2 non challenges as big mistakes on Sean Mc and without timely mistakes from D Henry and The Dolphins we could easily be 1-2 vs 3-0.
 

Tonight I have McDermotts actions directly leading to 11 points for the dolphins (challenge would have put them 4th and 4 on the 1st drive - 7 points , and the bizarre time outs at the end of the half allowed Miami to go for a TD when they were content running the clock to keep Josh off the field - 4 extra points) Without that gift of the roughing the kicker penalty we could’ve easily lost last night because of these decisions. 
 

Does this concern anyone else or am I missing something? 

 

What concerns me is that the sun is supposed to expand into a red giant star in about 5 billion years.

 

 

9 minutes ago, Stenbar said:

He is a very good leader of men, in a real battle he could inspire average soldiers above and beyond their abilities, but if he had to plan the war on paper he would be in trouble and many men would die due to bad decisions. 

With that said, he has accomplished a heck of alot in a place only few have succeeded. 

The Bills will only win a SuperBowl inspite of his gametime decionmaking, not win because he outsmarted the other coach.

 

I can tell you're an expert on leadership, planning, and decision-making, Nostradamus.

 

[Rew]

Just now, Freddie's Dead said:

 

They scored the TD with 8 seconds left after using two of their TO's, plus the two TO's the Bills gave them.  I still say if we hadn't stopped the clock twice, they may have had to settle for a FG.

Agreed, but no complaint.  We did the same thing against the Ravens in Q2 and it worked perfectly.  It will work out for us more often than not.

[chris heff]

13 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

You mean two plays before the missed FG when Jones went out for a play? I just checked. It was Shavers out there wide to the left and Moore in the slot. Just to defend Brady a bit, at that point in the game Cook was getting 9 yards pretty much every time he touched the ball. 

Okay, but don’t you still test that guy? 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

The issue is his booth guys have sucked for 9 years now. It's on him to put the right people in there and he's never done it. 

Not challenging the Tyreek bobble was stupid. They showed it on replay and did nothing.  I've gotten used to the dumb time outs. It's who he is.  

[Doc Brown]

12 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

It did.

I have no problem with the TO on 3rd/7. And I'd ahve no problem with the TO on 2nd down if it was 2nd/long. And I'd have no problem with the TO on 2nd/5 if Miami was down closer to the 10yrd line.

But with it being only 2nd/5 and with the ball being out around the 25 with plenty of room to operate, I think that gamble accomplishes nothing but giving a helping hand up to an inferior team.

This rarely happens but you swayed me.  It's more the inferior team point than anything else.  

[Freddie's Dead]

6 minutes ago, Rew said:

Agreed, but no complaint.  We did the same thing against the Ravens in Q2 and it worked perfectly.  It will work out for us more often than not.

 

One, with Baltimore there was a lot more time left on the clock, and two, you had all three TO's left, so you could save time with that much time left.  But with just :55 on the clock and two TO's, you didn't have enough time to save.  Better to just let the clock run and force the Fish to use up their TO's.

Edited September 19 by Freddie's Dead

[Jauronimo]

There is no world where we are 1-2 right now.  

[Simon]

4 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

One, with Baltimore there was a lot more time left on the clock, and two, you had all three TO's left, so you could save time with that much time left.  But with just :55 on the clock and two TO's, you didn't have enough time to save.  Better to just let the clock run and force the Fish to use up their TO's.

 

Agreed with all this, but they also desperately needed a spark at that point in the Baltimore game and I think McD was trying to give it to them from the sideline.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, billvernsays said:

By not having a (good) process in place to challenge plays e.g. Tyreek’s Bobble, Josh Allen’s 1st down against the Ravens, we are at a big disadvantage especially when we play better teams/coaches. 
 

I see those 2 non challenges as big mistakes on Sean Mc and without timely mistakes from D Henry and The Dolphins we could easily be 1-2 vs 3-0.
 

Tonight I have McDermotts actions directly leading to 11 points for the dolphins (challenge would have put them 4th and 4 on the 1st drive - 7 points , and the bizarre time outs at the end of the half allowed Miami to go for a TD when they were content running the clock to keep Josh off the field - 4 extra points) Without that gift of the roughing the kicker penalty we could’ve easily lost last night because of these decisions. 
 

Does this concern anyone else or am I missing something? 

 

Are you the same guy calling into WGR last night absolutely losing his mind that McDermott took the roughing the kicker penalty rather than giving the Dolphins the ball on their own 2?

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Are you the same guy calling into WGR last night absolutely losing his mind that McDermott took the roughing the kicker penalty rather than giving the Dolphins the ball on their own 2?

 

Stop it.  Did that happen.  LOL.

[Buffalo Boy]

28 minutes ago, Slack_in_MA said:

Ken Dorsey and Matt Smiley were not working, so....

And I suppose Frazier going was the panacea this D needed🤔

[PromoTheRobot]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Stop it.  Did that happen.  LOL.

 

It really did but the host cut him off ten seconds in. I really wanted to hear that rant.

[billvernsays]

28 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

On the Allen run you should blame the nfl . Against Miami they did the field position change. Where the F were they on Allen’s run.

 

im not sure which play on tyreek you are talking about.

1st drive of the game, 3rd and 4 from midfield. He bobbles the ball while going out of bounds. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, billvernsays said:

By not having a (good) process in place to challenge plays e.g. Tyreek’s Bobble, Josh Allen’s 1st down against the Ravens, we are at a big disadvantage especially when we play better teams/coaches. 
 

I see those 2 non challenges as big mistakes on Sean Mc and without timely mistakes from D Henry and The Dolphins we could easily be 1-2 vs 3-0.
 

Tonight I have McDermotts actions directly leading to 11 points for the dolphins (challenge would have put them 4th and 4 on the 1st drive - 7 points , and the bizarre time outs at the end of the half allowed Miami to go for a TD when they were content running the clock to keep Josh off the field - 4 extra points) Without that gift of the roughing the kicker penalty we could’ve easily lost last night because of these decisions. 
 

Does this concern anyone else or am I missing something? 

I think the commentary dudes were just straight up wrong about the Josh scramble against the ravens tbh.  That whole rule has an ‘OR when the ball carrier starts simulating touching the ground’ that I legitimately think Terry didn’t even know about and since the rule on the field was short a challenge never would’ve overturned that application of the rule.

 

if it was ruled he got the first on the field maybe it holds up to a ravens challenge because it was such a quirky slide where it’s hard to pinpoint where he started simulating touching the ground. Ironically I think that non challenge decision was one of the big reasons we won that game and is a big positive for mcd and negative for the fans saying he was wrong 😂. TBD coaching would’ve lost us that one especially given we only got that late first half fg off because mcd used defensive timeouts when the ravens were driving which is for some reason considered bizarre now 

no idea what makes the timeouts bizarre…that is literally done all the time and has won us multiple games 
 

tyreek catch I agree with you…your hands can come off it briefly and it can still be ruled you have control but I think he didn’t possess it in time 
 

 

 

Edited September 19 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[RunTheBall]

You guys who think the bobble was 50/50 need to go watch the replay. I saw it in real time and thought he bobbled it. The one replay they showed it was clear as day his one foot was in the air when he gained control, one foot in bounds, then the other foot that was up lands clearly out of bounds. I rewatched a few times, it’s not close. The reply coach in the booth is useless unless he saw it, called McD, and for whatever reason McD didn’t want to risk a challenge that early.

 

[Buffalo Boy]

1 hour ago, Breakout Squad said:

Teams win in imperfect ways a lot. The Eagles won because of the Kelce bobble resulting in the interception. Everyone is aware how huge that play was by the Eagles D. No one is knocking them off their pedestal nationally because good teams win ugly sometimes. 
 

I guess I don’t understand the complaining after a double digit win to go 3-0 all of which are conference wins and 2 divisional wins. 
 

Am I missing something? 🤓

The bigger picture…..You are missing the bigger picture.

[JGMcD2]

I mentioned it earlier in a group chat - it’s not something I would’ve challenged personally. In real time, I was yelling that it was a bobble, not a catch. If that had been the original call on the field, I think it would’ve stood. Same goes the other way with it being ruled a catch.

 

What really frustrates me is the league’s process for replay assistance. It’s absurd. I even joked in that same chat that McDermott was probably waiting for the league to randomly radio down from the booth and overturn it, but maybe this just wasn’t one of those games. Then sure enough, late in the game, the refs suddenly do radio down and overturn a bad spot on the Dolphins’ final drive.