Josh and INTs

[RochesterLifer]

42 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I don't see it that way at all. I think the best shot for them to win the Super Bowl is 2025 where Josh plays within himself, limits the turnovers and plays smart. 

 

But if the past is any indication, we have seen this movie play out before. Buffalo opens the season with a few boring wins. Offense is . methodical. Come playoff time, Josh gets unleashed more. 

We've actually seen this process for a couple of seasons now. Josh and the offense begin the season, well into October, playing with a self-imposed speed limit. As the Bills move into November, especially December, the offense shifts into 4th gear. Josh  runs more often and aggressively and passes further downfield with success. This is why the Bills' December record is so good. I like the model and expect us to be nearly unstoppable (barring injury) down the home stretch.

 

As has been said here many times,  we need our defense to also be playoff-ready.

[Low Positive]

5 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Fans have complained that KC always has "Their Best" stuff saved for the playoffs. Guess what when KC plays in the regular season they can't run all the bells and whistles of their offense to consistently run up the score on lesser teams earlier in the season. I hope the Bills are emulating this it also seems like the Bills are trying to stay healthy and avoid over exposing Josh and having to use him frequently. 

 

The coaching staff is playing the long game with how they are operating the offense and I think it is working. But I think fans just sometimes are prisoners of the moment. 

We absolutely live in the moment. Last night,  I declared the Bills the best team in the NFL and that the season was over. All in the same game. 

[SirAndrew]

58 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I think this is the game plan against inferior teams. When we play good teams and we need it, he will unleash it (eg, Baltimore 4th quarter) 

I know I’m being very arrogant about this team, but the regular season is almost a formality at this point. We’re here to compete for titles. Do whatever works in the regular season, stay healthy, but be prepared to open things up when needed. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

6 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

I know I’m being very arrogant about this team, but the regular season is almost a formality at this point. We’re here to compete for titles. Do whatever works in the regular season, stay healthy, but be prepared to open things up when needed. 

agree. It’s such a weird feeling! 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, dayman said:

That’s not our fastball and we’ll need our fastball to win in the playoffs and it’s not unreasonable to say we can’t wait until the playoffs to start throwing it. It is fine however, in week 3, to do whatever it is we are doing…for now. When we play Baltimore again, the Chargers, or possibly a KC team that finds their mojo again—we will need to be more aggressive.

This feels like a pure fan vibes thing tbh…if teams are giving you the underneath throws like they have been the last few weeks you take them every time playoffs or otherwise.  I get fans want to see the exciting splash downfield passing plays and Josh probably does too but teams want Josh to feel that way and force things.  The plays set up behind the LOS are there a lot…usually when they don’t work someone whiffed a block etc and they work way more often than the frustrated fan even realizes..  that’s the takeaway that surprises me every time when I rewatch the games lol  

 

my biggest criticism of Josh leading up to the last year plus is he wouldn’t play the style of games that he has been playing now even when defenses were gift wrapping it for him  

 

jets and dolphins really all they have is pass rush on top of all that so there’s an extra incentive for the style of play we’ve seen 

Edited September 19 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[MiltonWaddams]

44 minutes ago, RochesterLifer said:

We've actually seen this process for a couple of seasons now. Josh and the offense begin the season, well into October, playing with a self-imposed speed limit. As the Bills move into November, especially December, the offense shifts into 4th gear. Josh  runs more often and aggressively and passes further downfield with success. This is why the Bills' December record is so good. I like the model and expect us to be nearly unstoppable (barring injury) down the home stretch.

 

As has been said here many times,  we need our defense to also be playoff-ready.

This is another reason why the ball control method is working well. If we can rest this defence and keep key players healthy for the stretch run and playoffs, that works. By having the offence control the time of possession, that is a big win for the defence. 

[dickleyjones]

1 hour ago, Rousseauisnoschmo said:

Ive been waiting 52 years for a championship. Winning the SB 3-0 would be fun for me.

2-0 would be better though

[EssexBill]

2 hours ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

Josh took his driver out against the Ravens and there will be other games where he will.

 

Part of the equation here is that Beane has built a hell of a run blocking o-line and it makes sense to beat teams by relentlessly gaining 5-7 yards at a time.

Agree with this 100%, and we just paid James Cook so might as well get our money's worth!

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

 

You say lack of downfield passing and I say non existent as in they don't have it at all and have yet to see it. What happens when defenses take away the short game? Because by the time playoffs come around that's what the top elite teams will try and do. It has to be incorporated even a little bit and I think Moore would be the perfect guy for it running a 4.35 at his pro day. 

You mean the piss poor downfield passing game that beat the Ravens in the 4th quarter?  Looked potent to me. 

 

Last year we saw a similar offense for most of the season but at LA & Detroit circumstances turned the games into shootouts with Allen throwing the ball downfield and we exploded.   I have no reason to think the same won't be true this season, especially after what we saw in the Ravens game.

 

 

[Low Positive]

1 hour ago, Rousseauisnoschmo said:

Ive been waiting 52 years for a championship. Winning the SB 3-0 would be fun for me.

Of course. I was joking.  Winning is all that matters. I think it's ridiculous that people complain about the lack of long passes after wins. I just need to remember that my sarcasm doesn't always translate to the Internet.

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Of course. I was joking.  Winning is all that matters. I think it's ridiculous that people complain about the lack of long passes after wins. I just need to remember that my sarcasm doesn't always translate to the Internet.

There's a difference between complaining and pointing out issues

[colin]

ever since brady took over, or totals in production have been quite similar to the totals we had with dabol and dorsey, but the variance has plummeted, and we have a viable run game.

 

the 22 season when josh's shenanigans took his head out of the game vs cinci, and we had absolute stiffs like roger staffold rounding out the bases on his way to retirement at, we lost 3 regular season games by a total of 8 or so points in ridiculous fashion (a one pointer where we out gained maimi by like 200 yards, the total multiple melt down game at home vs minni with the fumbled qb sneak and all time catch by jj on 4th and forever, and i think to the jests who were in tough that year, we woulda lost to cinci as well).  before losing von to injury (and other guys too) that team was a monster, with cook at rb, von and them at DL, and a healthy all pro milano, but that team just never felt like they had the chops to put together a script to win, and needed hines of all people to save us at the end of the season vs NE after hamlin incident.

 

i have trouble with brady for his small ball tendencies, but the net of it is we have consistent mistake free insane offensive production on the offensive side of the ball.  our d has faltered in the playoffs, but what looks different to me vs prior years is that while we let up 4 awful drives (one stopped with a great pick at the end) vs the fish, they mostly got smashed and their overall numbers were pretty weak last night.  after getting smoked by balti all day, we got stops when we needed.  jets we dominated but who cares.  in contrast to prior years, it was just always a slow slow death of a thousand cuts and we were even worse on 3rd down that we have looked this season, and so far we are missing like four to six quality players ever time we put our d out (milano, oliver, hoyt, african anabol, rookie corner, someone else who might step up).

 

so that long winded effort poast is to say, our conservative O is what we need right now, and if we didn't miss that cake FG late in the first half we likely just waltz to a 3 score victory where miami is never in position to get close, so i'll take it.

[hondo in seattle]

3 hours ago, tigerthelion said:

 

Offense definitely looked awful in the 13 seconds game too, am I right?

 

I am ok with winning any way you can.  I still think the offense has to open up to keep the better teams honest.

As someone who is generally on your side in regard to Brady opening things up (assuming Brady has the acumen to design and call a good intermediate and deep passing game), I will mention this counterargument:  When the Bills needed to throw downfield at the end of the Ravens game, they did so effectively.   

[Big Turk]

In the last 12 games(including playoffs) Allen has 31 TDs to 1 Turnover (an INT) for a 31:1 TD:TO ratio.  

 

That's absurd. Has to be some sort of record.

Edited September 19 by Big Turk

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

10 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

 

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/401772918

 

Week 1 saw some long passing plays.

 

Week 1 is definitely not the norm and only did it because we were down by 16. 

[Sierra Foothills]

8 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

There's a difference between complaining and pointing out issues

 

And sometimes they're just the same thing.

 

[Coach Tuesday]

Good thread.

 

I hope people realize what a once-in-a-lifetime experience it is to be able to root for this athlete.  
 

He is one of one.

 

Every game is an Event.  Every play.  3rd and 26 and down by two TDs - ok let’s see what Josh does here.  We have 17 and we’re still in it.  He tells us to “have a little faith” and I believe him.

 

We are blessed.

Edited September 20 by Coach Tuesday

[PonyBoy]

On 9/19/2025 at 7:47 AM, BuffaloBillyG said:

Exactly. Like his three interception game opening week against the Jets a couple years back. So fun. Like when he played his first playoff game against the Texans and did that weird last second lateral. What a hoot that was.

 

 

 

Well .. if we're being factual about interceptions being fun.

 

Nobody was more fun than Nate the Great Peterman.

 

Talk about someone who should have retired at halftime.

[Buffalo Ballin]

Josh Allen is throwing the ball A LOT. He currently leads the NFL in passing attempts with 99.

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

Josh Allen is throwing the ball A LOT. He currently leads the NFL in passing attempts with 99.

Nah it's dead avg 16th at 33att/gm

 

He just has an extra game on everyone else