CincyBillsFan Posted September 19 Posted September 19 1 minute ago, Jalan81 said: That was early in the game. After the first drive in the second half it felt like most passes were at the LOS. We’re the db’s sitting back? Probably as they pretty much played with 3rd string except for Fitzpatrick. The Oline was not holding up at all though. Those to things are what drove what we got. They imposed their will on us unfortunately. The Bills D imposed their will on the Jets offense last week. But by surrendering 370 yards and 31 points the Finns did not impose their will on the Bills O last night. Quote
MJS Posted September 19 Posted September 19 29 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: I'm fine with the mistake free, conservative offense that doesn't have alot of flash to it. My real issue...and I'm not really too upset with it now, but once we get to later in the season and the playoffs we can't have the same McDermott defense we've had ever since he's been coach here. They need to be more aggressive and they have to be able to stop the run without selling out to do it. I expect that McDermotts defense will fail when it matters most, and that would be an unacceptable result to me...especially given the investment into the defense. Do people watch the games? You didn't see the 5 and 6 man blitzes going all game long and man coverage? Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted September 19 Posted September 19 (edited) Last 2 weeks the Bills D is giving up 15.5 ppg (and missing 2 of our best players either one or both the weeks) and the offense is avg 30.5 ppg. Not sure it’s time to panic when we are carrying an average of 15 point differential since our come back win on Balt. And with Oliver and Milano missing time. There are things we certainly need to improve on, and on both sides of the ball. But I wouldn’t be sounding any alarms yet either. Edited September 19 by Alphadawg7 Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted September 19 Posted September 19 1 hour ago, twoandfourteen said: This is NOT a championship-calibre defense. The same issues and concerns are still gaping holes on a defense that “Big Baller” Beane and his "defensive mastermind” head coach have spent many offseasons addressing. This team has a “Trent Edwards is our QB” philosophy and I don’t know how much longer fans are going to put up with it. Beating the 0-2 Dolphins who were on the verge of mailing in the rest of the season should not be the standard of excellence around here. It needs to be “Super Bowl appearance or GTFO”. Remember how the 2024 Ravens defense started the season and how they ended the season? Quote
Jalan81 Posted September 19 Posted September 19 Just now, CincyBillsFan said: The Bills D imposed their will on the Jets offense last week. But by surrendering 370 yards and 31 points the Finns did not impose their will on the Bills O last night. Trey White was not equipped to handle the speed of Waddle and they exploited that. Quick accurate short to medium passes is what Tua does best. The five yards cushion on a play starting on the 3 yard line was reminiscent of the Cinici playoff game. The same on the 4th down play. 2 minutes ago, MJS said: Do people watch the games? You didn't see the 5 and 6 man blitzes going all game long and man coverage? Playing 5 yards off with a play starting at the 3 yard line certainly is not aggressive. It’s playing scared. 2 1 Quote
GolfandBills Posted September 19 Posted September 19 The defense will get better when/if we get our full complement of players back available Quote
All_Pro_Bills Posted September 19 Posted September 19 (edited) My initial reaction to the game was the Bills didn't play all that well and I was watching last year's defense. Allowing all those 3rd and long conversions. But it was a win as the result of a 10 point 4th quarter. I think it comes down to expectations. We expect them to win and win by a big margin in a dominant fashion. That's what the point spread was saying. And when it doesn't happen a lot of fans are not happy. The team is 3-0. I expect they'll be at least 6-1 going into the week 9 game against the Chiefs. Win that game and they'll have at least a 2 game lead on the Chiefs in the race for the 1 AFC seed. Expectations are as high as they can get, a Super Bowl win. Sometimes good teams play down to the level of competition. I think that's what happened last night. They're going to have to put up a better effort and eliminate some mistakes when the level of competition is higher. Nobody with the team is going to admit it but last night it felt like they took their foot off the gas and did what it took to win. Reinforcements are coming when injured and suspended players return on defense. The offense looked flat and still scored 31 points. No need for panic. Edited September 19 by All_Pro_Bills Quote
Wolfgang Posted September 19 Posted September 19 Nice win but? But nothing... It was a nice win... 3 and 0... Next... Quote
Big Turk Posted September 19 Posted September 19 1 hour ago, twoandfourteen said: This is NOT a championship-calibre defense. The same issues and concerns are still gaping holes on a defense that “Big Baller” Beane and his "defensive mastermind” head coach have spent many offseasons addressing. This team has a “Trent Edwards is our QB” philosophy and I don’t know how much longer fans are going to put up with it. Beating the 0-2 Dolphins who were on the verge of mailing in the rest of the season should not be the standard of excellence around here. It needs to be “Super Bowl appearance or GTFO”. They don't need to be in week 3. The goal is to peak at the right time. Quote
SCBills Posted September 19 Posted September 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bills!Win! said: It’s almost like we were down 2 starters I don’t really count Matt Milano as a starter at this point. A guy I hope we have when it matters.. but not counting on it. Oliver, big loss. He, along with Bosa, gives us two guys who can dominate their matchups on the DL. If we’re using the missing players excuse as to why the Defense was meh… give me the Hoecht excuse. That dude can ball. Hairston is a complete WC, but if he can give us an upgrade at CB2 by the time we get to the playoffs, that’s massive because it’s clear that while Tre White looks serviceable .. he’s getting targeted and has very mixed results. Edited September 19 by SCBills Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted September 19 Posted September 19 49 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: There's at least one every win. Always worded vaguely the same. People don't know how to be happy. It makes you wonder... 31 minutes ago, FireChans said: Daniel Jones has had a great first 3 games. We will see if it continues. Based on his body of work, I don’t have a super high opinion of him, so I doubt it. Greg Rousseau has basically been invisible for the first 3 games. We will see if it continues. Based on his body of work, I don’t have a super high opinion of him either, but I thought he was better than his play this year would suggest. And now that he is presumably one of our best defensive players (and paid accordingly), I think the expectations surrounding his play during our SB window have risen as well. Whats wrong with those takes? Too scorching hot? There are a lot of posters here that are exclusively negative... all season long negativity and skepticism. It really gets old for people who want to actually enjoy the ride and are excited for what the future holds. Some of these negativists would have a lot more credibility if they acknowledged some of the positive aspects of a team which is on track for their 7th straight double digit win season and 8th playoff appearance in 9 years... a team that appears to many objective observers to be improving. Some of us believe this is the best team of the McBeane era and want to enjoy this golden era and our sense of anticipation. 18 minutes ago, Bruffalo said: I can understand that, but nothing about vanilla games in September are going to give us much insight on how they'll do in January. Coming into this game, Joe Marino was talking about the variety of blitz packages and 4-3 base defense they're running this season and how it's a departure from past years. It's hard to evaluate without Hoecht too. It's almost completely futile trying to convince naysayers who will endlessly harp on the same negative talking points right up until the moment that the Bills hoist the Super Bowl. In their eyes nothing will change and it's important to them that the world knows that they feel nothing will change. 1 Quote
FireChans Posted September 19 Posted September 19 (edited) 28 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: And it wasn't all soft zone. There was some sticky man coverage sprinkled in and people talk like the D was horrible, but it forced four 3 and outs. It was very feast or famine. It felt like the Bills were willing to come out each drive and get in the Dolphins' faces but the moment they managed a first down they bailed out and became passive. I'm not sold at all on Babich. He had some nice calls last night but some of his 3rd down calls were just nonsensical too. We are so bad on third down. I think there’s a bit of a perception issue, because in the last 6 years or so, the numbers of the Bills on third down haven’t looked nearly as bad as the way it “felt.” But now, it looks AND feels really really terrible in back to back years. And I know they were good last week, but Justin Fields ain’t an NFL QB and McD and co are good enough to make him look silly. Not sure what the answer is, to be honest. Edited September 19 by FireChans 2 Quote
PayDaBill$ Posted September 19 Posted September 19 (edited) Well hopefully when we get the suspension players back and a bit healthier the defense improves. Miami is fast. We struggle with speed. We’re old and slow in the secondary. We played off their guys giving them too much space to operate. Add that we weren’t getting to Tua with any consistency, we had issues. Fingers crossed we can improve. Edited September 19 by PayDaBill$ Quote
BeastMaster Posted September 19 Posted September 19 17 minutes ago, MJS said: Do people watch the games? You didn't see the 5 and 6 man blitzes going all game long and man coverage? I didn't say a word about what they did defensively lastnight My concern is will they be the same defense we've seen come playoff time Quote
Thrivefourfive Posted September 19 Posted September 19 1 hour ago, twoandfourteen said: This is NOT a championship-calibre defense. The same issues and concerns are still gaping holes on a defense that “Big Baller” Beane and his "defensive mastermind” head coach have spent many offseasons addressing. This team has a “Trent Edwards is our QB” philosophy and I don’t know how much longer fans are going to put up with it. Beating the 0-2 Dolphins who were on the verge of mailing in the rest of the season should not be the standard of excellence around here. It needs to be “Super Bowl appearance or GTFO”. But did you see what the Jets did to the Steelers?! 🤣 Quote
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted September 19 Posted September 19 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: I don’t really count Matt Milano as a starter at this point. A guy I hope we have when it matters.. but not counting on it. Oliver, big loss. He, along with Bosa, gives us two guys who can dominate their matchups on the DL. If we’re using the missing players excuse as to why the Defense was meh… give me the Hoecht excuse. That dude can ball. Hairston is a complete WC, but if he can give us an upgrade at CB2 by the time we get to the playoffs, that’s massive because it’s clear that while Tre White looks serviceable .. he’s getting targeted and has very mixed results. Hairston is becoming less of a wildcard by the day lol he could be bad and be a pretty big upgrade over Tre it’s looking like Quote
NoSaint Posted September 19 Posted September 19 1 hour ago, Bills!Win! said: It’s almost like we were down 2 starters almost always most teams are down someone…. And it’s become hard to say we are down Milano as a starter at this point 1 1 Quote
Aussie Joe Posted September 19 Posted September 19 2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Hairston is becoming less of a wildcard by the day lol he could be bad and be a pretty big upgrade over Tre it’s looking like will they play Hairston much when he gets over the injury? I don’t see it personally given rookie and time lost in preseason…but hope I’m wrong watching Tre last night Quote
djp14150 Posted September 19 Posted September 19 1 hour ago, twoandfourteen said: This is NOT a championship-calibre defense. The same issues and concerns are still gaping holes on a defense that “Big Baller” Beane and his "defensive mastermind” head coach have spent many offseasons addressing. This team has a “Trent Edwards is our QB” philosophy and I don’t know how much longer fans are going to put up with it. Beating the 0-2 Dolphins who were on the verge of mailing in the rest of the season should not be the standard of excellence around here. It needs to be “Super Bowl appearance or GTFO”. They are missing standout DL and LB and their 1st round QB is on IR Quote
SCBills Posted September 19 Posted September 19 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: almost always most teams are down someone…. And it’s become hard to say we are down Milano as a starter at this point Yup. Dolphins were down 2/5ths of their starting OL and a bunch of guys in the secondary. They weren’t missing anyone to the level of Ed Oliver, but I’d take the Bills injury situation last night over the Dolphins. Quote
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