Do The Bills Have A Passing Game Problem?

[BillsFan130]

Just now, Buffalo03 said:

It happens. You aren't gonna be perfect every time

Agreed not every time. But 3 times in a row kind of disputes your statement haha

[SCBills]

Do we have a guy who can get a bucket?

 

Not sure yet. 
 

Do we have a guy who can take the top off?

 

Not sure yet. 
 

And people in this thread can pretend it’s not a big deal, but it was an issue in the KC playoff game last year.  It’s popped up in playoff games prior. 
 

It’s glossed over because of how bad the defense has been in those games, but it’s been an issue and this question hasn’t been solved to this point. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

The season is a marathon, not a sprint. They’re managing Josh’s exposure somewhat too. Didn’t need to take unnecessary risks vs this opponent. 

😂😂We did run QB sweep on third and 7 at the end there tho

[Victory Formation]

48 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

At the end of the day the bills passing attack has been pretty mediocre outside of a couple quarters in 3 total games.

 

I think it's a combination of the receivers not creating enough separation, and Joe Brady not doing a good enough job of scheming them open. (Example, more play action on 1st downs)

 

What do you guys think?

I think that our offense is trying to add more wrinkles other than Josh playing hero ball 24/7. It will bear fruit in the future..

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

The season is a marathon, not a sprint. They’re managing Josh’s exposure somewhat too. Didn’t need to take unnecessary risks vs this opponent. 

We are watching a deliberate offensive strategy play out. It is similar to last season where it was successful and after 3 games this season we're 3 - 0 averaging 34 PPG.  I live in Cincinnati and saw a much more explosive offense not make the playoffs the last 2 seasons.  I'll take Brady ball any day of the week.

 

 

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, Comebackkid said:

idk....the last game in the playoffs against kc looked exactly like this if not worse.   I think they want a slow safe game where they can take no risk and 

try to control the clock.   sometimes it works...sometimes u have to rely on luck at the end of the game.  

That might be true against Kansas City and Patrick mahomes because you're trying to not give a future Hall of famer too many attempts 

 

Against the dolphins I don't think they're worried about how many possessions they're getting.. Josh could have turned it on at any point in this game I have no doubt 

 

The bills aren't opening up the passing game until it's forced... They're going to be content all year playing three phase football... There will be a time when Josh throws 40 times and it won't be good for the opponent

[Buffalo03]

1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:

Agreed not every time. But 3 times in a row kind of disputes your statement haha

What I meant was, that's gonna happen from time to time here and there having multiple 3 and outs back to back. It doesn't dispute my statement, it just went over your head

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

Bills gameplan each week:

 

defer ball to second half 

get cook going early

Leverage TEs early

score on either first or second drive

score again towards end of half

double up coming out of half 

defense needs one turnover 

Adjust in 4th as needed

 

something I don’t think people are catching, the bills have been at or above 25 points in every game with 7 minutes left in the 4th.  That’s remarkable consistency through 3 games.  No doubt the plan is to score 30 or more, and allow 20 or less.  Bills have the talent and coaching to execute on that most weeks

The Bills have scored TD's on each of their opening drives in the last 3 games.  And had the D got off the filed on either the 3rd & 12 or 3rd & 10 late in the 2nd quarter the Bills likely would have scored points before the half giving them the desired double dip.

[NoSaint]

3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

We are watching a deliberate offensive strategy play out. It is similar to last season where it was successful and after 3 games this season we're 3 - 0 averaging 34 PPG.  I live in Cincinnati and saw a much more explosive offense not make the playoffs the last 2 seasons.  I'll take Brady ball any day of the week.

 

 

the problem isn’t Brady ball - I celebrated it in the first half. If you are walking down the field, no need to risk turnover, injury or sack 

 

in the second half on a few plays where we needed the shot - it wasn’t happening and it seemed to be perimeter skill, not play call in those moments.

Edited September 19 by NoSaint

[HappyDays]

43 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

So it leads to JV level calls and it's just playing with your food until they want to finish it

 

I don't know, I'm pretty sure they wanted to finish it when we got to 21-21 but the offense stalled out at midfield until Miami's boneheaded mistake gave us new life. As soon as they started run blitzing us we didn't have any answers and I don't think it's because we were playing with our food, it's because we don't have the pass catching talent outside to make them pay for selling out. It's going to continue to be a problem this year and we'll just have to do our best to hide it as much as we can.

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

I think that our offense is trying to add more wrinkles other than Josh playing hero ball 24/7. It will bear fruit in the future..

I'm sure they are but more wrinkles<more talent imo

 

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't know, I'm pretty sure they wanted to finish it when we got to 21-21 but the offense stalled out at midfield until Miami's boneheaded mistake gave us new life. As soon as they started run blitzing us we didn't have any answers and I don't think it's because we were playing with our food, it's because we don't have the pass catching talent outside to make them pay for selling out. It's going to continue to be a problem this year and we'll just have to do our best to hide it as much as we can.

Exactly how I saw it

[NoSaint]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

That might be true against Kansas City and Patrick mahomes because you're trying to not give a future Hall of famer too many attempts 

 

Against the dolphins I don't think they're worried about how many possessions they're getting.. Josh could have turned it on at any point in this game I have no doubt 

 

The bills aren't opening up the passing game until it's forced... They're going to be content all year playing three phase football... There will be a time when Josh throws 40 times and it won't be good for the opponent

At some point in the second half we crossed that threshold and did not succeed opening it up. Against a very bad secondary. Thats the point. 
 

it’s nit picky tonight. It may be the difference in us taking the trophy home later though. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

They act as if we have Jared Goff as a QB, we could go up 21 points and make teams 1 dimensional but we have a bunch of conservative coaches and it's quite frustrating. We won a miracle game week 1 , we faced Fields in week 2 and it took a roughing the kicker call to turn this game around for us. So far I've been underwhelmed with coaching on both sides of the ball and if we play like this in the playoffs we won't make it to yet another SB. 

Edited September 19 by BuffaloBillsGospel2014

[wppete]

I like Shavers but when Gabe Davis is healthy he is an upgrade over Shavers and would really help this offense ad WR#5. He needs to be on this roster. 

[ColoradoBills]

9 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

IIRC correctly Moore played ~50% of his snaps in Cleveland lined up out wide. Maybe if they give him some of Colemans and/or Palmers snaps his speed could help open things up.

 

I would hope, as the season progresses and Moore's play continues, he will.

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

the problem isn’t Brady ball - I celebrated it in the first half. If you are walking down the field, no need to risk turnover, injury or sack 

 

in the second half on a few plays where we needed the shot - it wasn’t happening and it seemed to be perimeter skill, not play call in those moments.

I agree to a point.  We don't have that WR that makes the deep shot a high probability play.  But I also think they're fanatically devoted to their plan.  

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, wppete said:

I like Shavers but when Gabe Davis is healthy he is an upgrade over Shavers and would really help this offense ad WR#5. He needs to be on this roster. 

 

We all have our opinions, but I sternly disagree.

[Comebackkid]

29 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

As an aside Allen was masterful tonight.  22 of 28 for 213 yards and 3 TDs and a QB rating of 134.  There is no problem with the passing attack or the offense in general.  They are remarkably balanced and it will be tough for any D to hold them to less then 30 points.  The problem remains what it was last season - the inability of the defense to get off the field at critical moments of the game and the continual giving up 1st downs on 3rd and long.

 

 

maye put up 230 yards on 23 attempts.   Allen was fairly accurate but i wouldnt call it masterful.   most of the passes werent much different than a running play depth wise.

[Scott7975]

54 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Yes. I don't think these receivers can get open down the field on the outside. They are scheming around that weakness pretty well and while they didn't call many deep shots today (think just two) the ones they did Josh came off - even with time - and went underneath. That tells you there was nothing open.

 

Hate to say it but Gabe Davis might be our only answer to this problem this season. Not a big fan of Gabe because I think his route tree is limited, I think he is not on the same page as Josh, and I think he drops too many balls. He did however get open downfield when he last played for us.

 

I also think its partially an offensive philosophy thing, but I agree our receivers are struggling to get open.

[In Summary]

Kincaid led all pass catchers tonight.

 

Coleman's contribution little different than that of Shavers. 

 

Shakir is still the best actual receiver.

 

No receiver is being featured in the pre-game hype show. Everybody eats is so 2024. That Allen doesn't have his Butler/Lewis/Reed/Lofton/Moulds/ etc. is a shame.