Joe Brady through 2 games

[AZSanta]

13 hours ago, dayman said:

We’re scoring points, so I can’t complain too much—but doesn’t it feel like we have a lot of predictable 2nd-down runs that go nowhere and start slow? Came back strong vs. the Ravens, but it’d be nice to open things up earlier. Against the Jets it didn’t matter, but I’m still waiting to see more schemed explosive plays in the passing game, especially early. Similar issues as last year. What do you guys think?

Agree with your take. A little bit of imagination with this offense would be great. If You have a unicorn in Allen, you could be more versatile with your play calling and a lot less predictable. 

[BillsFan130]

29 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

They scored 20 on their first 4 drives though.  and 30 across 7.  They had the turnover but other than that field position wasn't amazing.  Just long drives.  It probably would've been more of a beat down if knox pulls in a couple of those.  

Ya but jets gifted them how many points with dumb penalties on 3rd downs?

 

1st drive was a roughing the passer on a 3rd and 19. 
 

That is a 4-7 point penalty alone, depending if Prater makes the long kick

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

Works well against teams with inferior QBs like the Jets.  As evidenced by the Division or Championship Game level, not so much unless Josh dials it up like he did in Week 1 versus Baltimore or against KC in the 13 seconds game. 

 

Larger point is, playing this style is about keeping defense off the field, as healthy as possible, beating up an opponents' defense, and maintaining possession.  When it works, it's good.  When it doesn't (because the enemy always has a say) then the offense has to score a lot of points.  

 

No offense works when you are playing against 40 points without the Quarterback being excellent. That goes without saying. 

 

Brady has without question raised the floor of this offense since he took over and he has done it without affecting the ceiling that was there under Dorsey or Daboll. 

 

Sure the defense getting better would help. But that isn't on Joe Brady.

[dayman]

9 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Ya but jets gifted them how many points with dumb penalties on 3rd downs?

 

1st drive was a roughing the passer on a 3rd and 19. 
 

That is a 4-7 point penalty alone, depending if Prater makes the long kick

That they did. The Jets are horrible

[Don Otreply]

13 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

I think you bring up good points as I'm not going to just look at the scoreboard and see 30 plus points and say the OC has been great.

 

Ravens game last week I thought he was awful. Josh literally put on the cape and put on an all world performance. 

 

Today it's tricky to judge. I personally want to see more play action and being more aggressive. But at the same time I can understand them playing it a bit more conservative based on how the game script was going.

Evidently the plan was to run the ball as an exercise to become accustom to doing so, the game was a practice session with that as the priority, it always depends on the opponent as to what the team is going to do, who knows, play action may very well be what they choose to punish the dolphins with, 👍

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

No offense works when you are playing against 40 points without the Quarterback being excellent. That goes without saying. 

 

Brady has without question raised the floor of this offense since he took over and he has done it without affecting the ceiling that was there under Dorsey or Daboll. 

 

Sure the defense getting better would help. But that isn't on Joe Brady.

 

Being better than Daboll and Dorsey is a pretty low bar to set, particularly with an improved Josh Allen in 2024-25 versus 2020-23.  As an aside, Brady keeps designing runs for Josh which McD essentially ended for Dorsey in the first half of 2023.  Been back in their playbook since then, but I digress.

 

The philosophy is what it is and that calls for synching the offensive and defensive schemes closely together.  No one opposes the concept on offense of wanting to keep the ball, physically punish the opposing defense, having an offense which doesn't turn it over, keeps a run-pass balance, passes to max YAC/RAC, etc.  This paired with a defense which gets turnovers, can put pressure on the QB, and forces throws into that zone is all good....

 

But it's still a low margin for error philosophy no matter who the OC is and what he calls.  Particularly when the receivers are meh and struggle to get open.  Requires Josh to do more, put himself in the line of fire running it, and is so-so against better competition particularly in the playoffs, as we've seen the last 2 years. 

 

Brady has schemed the offense McD wants and Beane staffed.  It is what it is.   

Edited September 15 by BillsVet

[warrior9]

13 hours ago, bouds said:

The pass game today was not good.  Josh was rushing things and felt uncomfortable in the pocket, guys dropping passes, OL got pushed around.  Look, this pass O did well in that 4th quarter against the Ravens, but it hasn't been consistently good through 8 quarters so far.  Still early in the year.  I don't like how easily teams clamp/slow us down when they play man coverage against us.  That shouldn't be a good game plan against us with Allen at Qb, and yet it is.  We face more man coverage last year than any other team in the league, make of that what you will.

I think you're missing the point here and what has made Brady good. They wanted to defense the pass, so we ran.... we've never had that ability to pivot and win before. 

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No offense works when you are playing against 40 points without the Quarterback being excellent. That goes without saying. 

 

Brady has without question raised the floor of this offense since he took over and he has done it without affecting the ceiling that was there under Dorsey or Daboll. 

 

Sure the defense getting better would help. But that isn't on Joe Brady.

Agree. Pass game wasn't working, so we relied on the ground game (I know I just posted this above) but we've never had that ability to pivot / be flexible or we've had coaches that are too hard headed to realize one segment of the offense is off so you lean on the other. 

 

It's not that the passing game "didn't work" it's that they took it away and we were able to run. This is a win. 

[Einstein]

I would be very appreciative if he knew when to call play-action.

[Lost]

2nd and short, take the deep shot.   That's all I ask..

[Big Turk]

7 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I would be very appreciative if he knew when to call play-action.

 

No need to put something on film against the Jets.

[Malazan]

15 hours ago, dayman said:

We’re scoring points, so I can’t complain too much—but doesn’t it feel like we have a lot of predictable 2nd-down runs that go nowhere and start slow? Came back strong vs. the Ravens, but it’d be nice to open things up earlier. Against the Jets it didn’t matter, but I’m still waiting to see more schemed explosive plays in the passing game, especially early. Similar issues as last year. What do you guys think?

You don't have to think. That data is available to you. Why don't you look it up and include it in your post?

[The Firebaugh Kid]

HATED the conservative 3rd and 4 run call in the redzone before halftime. 

3 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Hard to complain about Brady and the offense.  Please stop throwing downfield to Knox though.  He’s fine on screens and dump offs, but otherwise his hands are drive killers.  And even when Cook is gashing a team, Ray Davis still can’t get you more than 2 yards per carry.  Time to see what Gore can do.  

More carries for Ty. That's the move

[Real McClappy]

Is it coincidence or the fact when Brady took over Allen had a career low in Sacks, Fumbles and INTs last year?

 

 

 

[BuffaloBill]

We’ve only seen a rare, nearly impossible comeback win and a blowout. What do you want 50 - 0 scores?  

[Governor]

The stupid screens where Josh throws sidearm into a crowd of defensive linemen have to stop.

Edited September 15 by Governor

[Livinginthepast]

Brady is way better than Dorsey (but that isnt saying much). He runs a solid conservative offensive game plan that works most of the time. I would just like him to throw in a wrinkle here and there and not make things so obvious. He has tried one trick play (Ravens) that got blown up and weirdly has been too scared to revisit the concept. Dabol used trick plays to great effect in his time here. In addition scheme some guys open deep. Josh definitely has the arm. Finally can we please work on bubble screens. This team hasnt been able to do them with regularity in what seems like forever.  Yesterday worked great but we wont always have opponents who beat themselves like the Jets.

[Logic]

I like how multiple the Bills offense is.

Sometimes, they're a powerhouse run team. Other times, they use short, controlled passing to matriculate the ball down the field. Other times they wing it downfield. 

They can run, they can pass short, intermediate, and long, and Josh can run it. They're an incredibly difficult offense to stop because they can do so much well.

I like that they've started with a touchdown in both games so far. Starting slow was a real problem for them in recent years, but not so this year. If they can continue to start fast AND keep doing the "gathering info on how you wanna play us defensively, then adjusting to it and beating your gameplan in the second half" thing, they'll continue to be hard to stop.

 

If I have to pick nits, I'd say that I'd like to see a more effective marrying of play-action to their run game, and more frequent use of play-action in general. I'd also say their screen game still stinks.

Overall, though, it's hard to be anything but happy with an offense that averages about 30 points a week for over a calendar year now. 

Edited September 15 by Logic

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

23 minutes ago, Real McClappy said:

Is it coincidence or the fact when Brady took over Allen had a career low in Sacks, Fumbles and INTs last year?

 

 

 

Not at all a coincidence…I really swear some fans (probably the very same ones that criticized Josh for constantly passing up underneath throws back in the day) want Josh to regress to Wild thing because it is more exciting to watch in both a good and bad way 😂

 

A lot of plays josh is checking into runs/underneath throws because teams are gifting it to us hoping Josh forces it downfield and everyone hates on Brady for it lol 

 

being one dimensional against the playoff chiefs defense is always gonna lose you the game…they have embarrassed the high powered pass the ball over the field bills quite a few times 

Edited September 15 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Rockinon]

15 hours ago, Fetou said:

This is a team that is going to have to hide a bad defense against good teams in the playoffs and rely on keeping games close for Josh Allen to have a chance to win the game at the end. This offense and a few big plays/turnovers on defense is our formula to beat more talented teams.

I think the Ravens game skewed a lot of people to lean this way. The defense was actually largely responsible for the last win though and I think they only get better as the season progresses. A lot of people will be coming off of injuries and suspensions. By the end of the season we may very well have one of the best defenses in the league.

[Dan]

43 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

No need to put something on film against the Jets.

 

5 minutes ago, Logic said:

I like how multiple the Bills offense is.

Sometimes, they're a powerhouse run team. Other times, they use short, controlled passing to matriculate the ball down the field. Other times they wing it downfield. 

They can run, they can pass short, intermediate, and long, and Josh can run it. They're an incredibly difficult offense to stop because they can do so much well.

I like that they've started with a touchdown in both games so far. Starting slow was a real problem for them in recent years, but not so this year. If they can continue to start fast AND keep doing the "gathering info on how you wanna play us defensively, then adjusting to it and beating your gameplan in the second half" thing, they'll continue to be hard to stop.

 

If I have to pick nits, I'd say that I'd like to see a more effective marrying of play-action to their run game, and more frequent use of play-action in general. I'd also say their screen game still stinks.

Overall, though, it's hard to be anything but happy with an offense that averages about 30 points a week for over a calendar year now. 

Agreed!   This was a game, where i was thinking go vanilla to start the 2nd half.  Don't run up the score because we'll see this team again and don't put anything on tape you don't want other teams to see.   
 

As has been mentioned, i wish they did more play action.  And they either need to work really hard on screen passes, or just delete them from the playbook because they absolutely suck at screen passes.  I mean suck.    
 

I like that they seem to be getting away from the tush push a bit.  Not that i think its bad to run, but a few teams are getting better at figuring it out.  So it's not quite the guarantee it used to be.    But, yeah, otherwise…. Its hard to fault the offense at all ; especially week 2!