Tush pushin'

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

KC kind of figured this out, and now we can’t run it. Don’t think we were successful a single time last night. Tried going left, then way left, and then right— nothing worked. 
 

They need to re-think this play. 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

They never ran a tush push.

 

They ran some QB sneaks.

[MPL]

Too much tushing and not enough pushing. 

[DapperCam]

Our short yardage plays were bad all night. They need to figure something out there.

[MikePJ76]

I really don’t want them doing it.  Allen does not need the wear and tear.

 

we have three excellent backs.  I hope they completely get away from running it except in really unique situations

[RichRiderBills]

2 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Our short yardage plays were bad all night. They need to figure something out there.

 

I think they were bad but got better. This is one of the best DLs and front 7 in league. 

[JerseyBills]

3 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

I really don’t want them doing it.  Allen does not need the wear and tear.

 

we have three excellent backs.  I hope they completely get away from running it except in really unique situations

I was disappointed they didn't run it on the 2 pt conversion from the 1 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

Short yardage was brutal. Whether we tried to run, QB "sneaks" or whatever some of those were, and the 2pt calls. Lot of work to be done there. 

 

There is definitely a lack of creativity on these plays. These are plays that should be fun for an OC, especially 2nd and short when we're at midfield or something, the whole playbook is open. 

[ganesh]

10 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Our short yardage plays were bad all night. They need to figure something out there.

I think that was because the Raven's DL was ready for it

[BillMafia716ix]

Philly executes it perfectly. Jalen Hurts also squats like 600lbs 

[Einstein]

It seems to take Brady an insufferably long amount of time to figure out that a play is not working and he needs to stop calling it.

 

Exhibit one: WR screen

 

Exhibit two: QB sneak

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

We are like 2 of our last like 6 attempts going back to KC last year.  I'm not sure what's going on.

It used to be like 98%.  

[henry jones]

The rush to the line on short yardages and either sneak or hand off doesn't work in the NFL like it would in high school.  We got burned a few times on it last night.  They (Brady) need to get a little more creative.  

[MasterStrategist]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

We are like 2 of our last like 6 attempts going back to KC last year.  I'm not sure what's going on.

It used to be like 98%.  

KC figured us out.  Basically alignment and slanting.  Going left isnt working because of this. 

 

Couple options:

1. We need a better "alternative"/run check to a back if they align like this OR playaction

2. We need to get more creative ourselves - ie start in the gun and then move to under center. 

3. Another sneak option - ie: align in the gun and motion Knox/someone else under center.  This to me is most risky option though.

 

We have a great trio of pass catching backs.  Best option is how the Chiefs run it.  They have 3-4 options in one alignment run a quick dive to a FB, lead iso to the tailback, qb sneak (which they basically never do), or plyaction and boot mahomes.

 

We should be trying to get more boots with Josh - We saw how easy it worked for his walk in TD.

[cage]

Can anyone explain, why this team hasn't learned the Shake-Rattle-Rolle play from the SB years as an alternative to Tush Push??  Allen should be able to line up at with two alternative and then make a choice at the line of scrimmage.  The S-R-R was just as unstoppable back in the day.  If you had two credible alternatives and the D couldn't exclusively sell out to the TP, then there would be positive result close to 100%.... why can't they figure that out??

Edited September 8 by cage

[T master]

47 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

KC kind of figured this out, and now we can’t run it. Don’t think we were successful a single time last night. Tried going left, then way left, and then right— nothing worked. 
 

They need to re-think this play. 

True if you always go the exact same way pretty easy to figure out I mean play off of that go right, have josh step in then pitch out or something but that is like giving the other team your play book if you ALWAYS run to the left just saying ...

[ngbills]

I dont know if our interior OL is really built for that. I know it was successful a lot but much of that is Josh being a big dude. I think teams are getting better at guessing if he will go low or high or just pushing the line back so Josh doesnt even have that option. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:

Philly executes it perfectly. Jalen Hurts also squats like 600lbs 

you almost need a smaller dude like hurts for it. He really sneaks in there. You can’t even see him. 

[Rockinon]

It's not dead. There are just some defenses that are too stout to try it on. Not everyone has a defense like the Chiefs/Ravens. Some teams you can tell them your doing it and they still can't stop it.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/46356840/nfl-tush-push-rule-disconcerting-signals-officiating-philadelphia-eagles-kansas-city-chiefs

 

Didn't see this posted yet and thought it was interesting article.

 

Chiefs were trying to simulate Hurts cadence on the Tush push to get the Oline to jump early. It should have been an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.  As the article points out with crowd noise and distance from the QB and defense it would be hard for the official to hear it.

 

Something maybe to watch for in the future.