ColoradoBills Posted September 16 Posted September 16 32 minutes ago, DeltaDigital said: yall boys can roll your eyes all ya want. its not some mythical secret beane and his free agents dont really work out all that well. Kelvin benjamin being the easiest to pin... then some forgettable DT's who were so poor I cant even remember their names... gimme a break, go sign players from real organizations. LOL, Kelvin Benjamin. That is ancient history. Quote
JGMcD2 Posted September 16 Posted September 16 (edited) 5 hours ago, DeltaDigital said: yes, so? go ***** players from winning organizations. clearly carolina cant do it. bad scouts = bad players = bad record. beane picks up scrap heap bums from a terrible organization on the cheap then wonders why it doesnt work out.. its wild. Oh boy, this will be fun... Edited September 16 by JGMcD2 1 Quote
gobills404 Posted September 16 Posted September 16 5 hours ago, DeltaDigital said: yes, so? go ***** players from winning organizations. clearly carolina cant do it. bad scouts = bad players = bad record. beane picks up scrap heap bums from a terrible organization on the cheap then wonders why it doesnt work out.. its wild. 46 minutes ago, DeltaDigital said: yall boys can roll your eyes all ya want. its not some mythical secret beane and his free agents dont really work out all that well. Kelvin benjamin being the easiest to pin... then some forgettable DT's who were so poor I cant even remember their names... gimme a break, go sign players from real organizations. Sorry I asked Quote
Pete Posted September 16 Posted September 16 31 minutes ago, Offside Number 76 said: Let me introduce you to a Mr. Kay Stephenson. Hank Bullough was no Lombardi Quote
BigAl2526 Posted September 16 Posted September 16 39 minutes ago, Offside Number 76 said: I was very, very close to citing Bullough. I'm young enough to not remember Harvey Johnson. Wasn't that a chain of motels and diners or something? Harvey Johnson had been an assistant coach when Ralph Wilson fired the head coach. I don't think Johnson really aspired to be a head coach and may have known he wasn't head coach material. He was pretty pathetic. Quote
BearNorth Posted September 16 Posted September 16 15 minutes ago, Pete said: Hank Bullough was no Lombardi Jim Ringo is in the HOF as a player, Hall of Shame as a head coach - 3-20 record Quote
BigAl2526 Posted September 16 Posted September 16 17 minutes ago, Pete said: Hank Bullough was no Lombardi He was a Yogi Berra wannabe. Nobody could butcher the English language like Berra, but Hank Bullough certainly tried. Quote
billsfan89 Posted September 16 Posted September 16 22 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: I think it's yet to be seen. I thought ST's looked pretty bad Game 1, and yesterday they looked a lot better. Hopefully this guy can at least count how many men are on the field. ST unit looked rusty week 1 but so did almost every single other teams ST unit. I think Special Teams across the league is sloppy weeks 1 and 2 because there's so little practice time in the off-season and one less pre-season game. Quote
NewEra Posted September 16 Posted September 16 40 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: LOL, Kelvin Benjamin. That is ancient history. Not to mention that he called KB a free agent. 1 hour ago, DeltaDigital said: yall boys can roll your eyes all ya want. its not some mythical secret beane and his free agents dont really work out all that well. Kelvin benjamin being the easiest to pin... then some forgettable DT's who were so poor I cant even remember their names... gimme a break, go sign players from real organizations. welcome to the board! Can’t recall seeing you before. Lucky me 3 1 Quote
Albany,n.y. Posted September 16 Posted September 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, Offside Number 76 said: I was very, very close to citing Bullough. I'm young enough to not remember Harvey Johnson. Wasn't that a chain of motels and diners or something? That's Howard Johnson's AKA HoJos. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Johnson's The Mets had a 3rd baseman named Howard Johnson. Harvey Johnson was a reluctant head coach, but Ralph would tell him to after he fired a head coach & needed someone quickly. The 1st time was in season, the 2nd time after John Rauch quit in preseason after a dispute with Ralph. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Johnson_(coach) Edited September 16 by Albany,n.y. Quote
billsfan89 Posted September 16 Posted September 16 56 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: LOL, Kelvin Benjamin. That is ancient history. I think there was real critiques of Beane to be had as a GM but if we have to go all the way back to Benjamin that's a stretch. I think in 2021 and 2022 Beane missed a big window to take advantage of the rookie deal Josh was still on. Von Miller in 2022 was obviously a big whiff but that was more so due to a rather freak injury as Von was really good the 11 or so games he played in 2022. But in 2020-2021 I remember the Bills bringing in a bunch of JAG to OK D-linemen on big contracts. Mario Addition and Butler types. Where the Bills could have probably just spend more on one or two really good players to complement the players they had as opposed to having 5-6 OK players rotating in and out. I also think the in ability to address the interior O-line was frustrating at the time. However, I would say the Bills since 2017 even if you wanna cherry pick post Josh and say since 2019 the Bills are a top 5 drafting team in the league (Eagles, Rams, Ravens, KC are maybe better not sure if you can find any other team that's consistently been drafting better in that time period) and they have done a good job in free agency of supplementing parts even as Josh's contracts have tightened the cap and they have had to get out from under veterans and take big cap hits. 1 1 Quote
Offside Number 76 Posted September 16 Posted September 16 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: That's Howard Johnson's AKA HoJos. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Johnson's The Mets had a 3rd baseman named Howard Johnson. Harvey Johnson was a reluctant head coach, but Ralph would tell him to after he fired a head coach & needed someone quickly. The 1st time was in season, the 2nd time after John Rauch quit in preseason after a dispute with Ralph. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Johnson_(coach) I know Howard Johnson the ballplayer. '86 Mets. Are you maybe thinking of Harvey's, the hamburger restaurant? They'll make your burger a beautiful thing. Edited September 16 by Offside Number 76 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted September 16 Posted September 16 This guy seems to be there on every ST play. Fantastic addition 1 1 Quote
DeltaDigital Posted September 16 Posted September 16 2 hours ago, Johnny Bravo said: Ty Johnson was with the Jets before they cut him. Is he a scrap heap bum or did the Jets, because they are a terrible organization, not know what they had? Same question for McGovern (Dallas), Poyer (Browns), etc. You get the point. notice how none of them are from the panthers? you get the point Quote
folz Posted September 16 Posted September 16 Agreed on Franklin. His two big solo tackles on kickoff and then helping to clean up a third tackle with some Umph on Sunday definitely jumped out to me as well (shouted him out in the Game Balls thread). He also had a solo teams tackle in week 1. Also, Codrington has been amazing. Not just for his long TD return against Baltimore, but for his hands. There have already been two or three hits as he's receiving the ball that other returners probably would have muffed. The kid has great hands (and toughness) as well as the speed and elusiveness. Buffalo Joe has been active on teams as well. And Prater has been an upgrade thus far. STs are looking up. 2 hours ago, DeltaDigital said: yall boys can roll your eyes all ya want. its not some mythical secret beane and his free agents dont really work out all that well. Kelvin benjamin being the easiest to pin... then some forgettable DT's who were so poor I cant even remember their names... gimme a break, go sign players from real organizations. Yes, there are plenty of Beane free agents that didn't work out...and we can all probably name most of them. But, he has also brought in a lot of guys that have helped the team or played well (at least for a period time): Cole Beasley, John Brown, Ty Johnson, Joey Bosa, Josh Palmer, Elijah Moore, Curtis Samuel, Connor McGovern, Mitch Morse, Isaiah McKenzie, Von Miller, Daquon Jones, Jordan Phillips, Jon Feliciano, David Edwards, Emmanuell Sanders, Daryl Williams, Mack Hollins, Mitch Trubisky, Matt Barkley, Sam Martin, Tyler Matakevich, Mario Addison, AJ Klein, Shaq Lawson. (I'm sure I'm forgetting a few too.) Plus he traded for Diggs, and McD brought in Poyer and Hyde as FAs. So, it hasn't all been bad. Have a little perspective. And the Carolina thing hasn't been a thing for years now. Plus, it totally made sense that in their first few years they, 1. wanted players who understood their system and culture to help establish the culture in the new location; 2. They were players they were familiar with, who could at least set a baseline of play; 3. The Bills were an unstable team in a 17-year playoff drought, in a small market, cold and snowy, city---Free agents did not want to come to Buffalo. But if a player was familiar with the coach/GM, they were more willing to come at that time than other guys in the league. But, it's been almost 9 years now since they were in Carolina (almost a decade), and so much has changed. There are only two connections still on the Carolina roster. 1. T Taylor Moton was drafted by Carolina in the 2nd round of the 2017 draft (Beane's last draft with the Panthers...days before Beane left for Buffalo---but he would have been part of that pick); 2. J.J. Jansen, the long snapper, was on the roster back when McD and Beane were in Carolina. That's it. So McD has not coached any players currently on Carolina's roster (except Sam Martin, who they picked up this year as their punter), and Moton is the only player that Beane had any draft/FA input on for Carolina. Plus, the Panthers have been through six different head coaches in the time that McD has been in Buffalo, so there isn't anything left of the Rivera/McD culture there. 1 1 Quote
Johnny Bravo Posted September 17 Posted September 17 5 hours ago, DeltaDigital said: notice how none of them are from the panthers? you get the point They were from crappy teams. I think you missed your own point 🤣 1 2 Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted September 17 Posted September 17 17 hours ago, Offside Number 76 said: I was very, very close to citing Bullough. I'm young enough to not remember Harvey Johnson. Wasn't that a chain of motels and diners or something? 16 hours ago, BigAl2526 said: Harvey Johnson had been an assistant coach when Ralph Wilson fired the head coach. I don't think Johnson really aspired to be a head coach and may have known he wasn't head coach material. He was pretty pathetic. Yes, as Ralph's buddy Harvey was twice interim coach of the Bills and in each of those seasons the team won exactly 1 game. 16 hours ago, BigAl2526 said: He was a Yogi Berra wannabe. Nobody could butcher the English language like Berra, but Hank Bullough certainly tried. Yes, Bullough's malapropisms showed a deeply flawed mind whereas Berra's "Yogi-isms" were almost an art form. Quote
Augie Posted September 17 Posted September 17 10 hours ago, Johnny Bravo said: They were from crappy teams. I think you missed your own point 🤣 Yes, it is a bit amusing. I don’t think there is a there is an actual point, it’s all shtick. Quote
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